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by **tubby** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:25 pm

puroresu wrote:
zarababe wrote:
metalhead wrote:
zarababe wrote:Not sure how many of u have sacked RAFA again - but for me without some serious investment in this team, we are going to keep dithering on the edge .. either in seconnd place, like last season, or in 5th 6th spot for the 4th position as today.

Today continues to prove unless there is some SERIOUS DENARS/ BUCKS/ POUNDS, whetever currency you wanna talk, behind this great club of ours, we will not be where most of us know this club should be.

nah zara, I can't blame the owners anymore, 10 league defeats is too much with a squad who is capable of getting into the top four with the right team selection.

It goes down to the manager.

OK Metal - BTW Mancs have lost 6 this season - but I agree 10 losses is bad.

So we change manager and the tactics change and we lose less - but do we still win / challenge for the title, with the budget available to recruit players?

NOPE - BENITEZ has been acting as the administrator for this club for the last few seasons at least - with the exception of Torres (for which the owners took out a loan, which is acruing interest as we speak) the manager's expendiuture has been the equivalent of in the 'basement bargain'.

In this day-and-age where 20mill + is the average for half decent players and Ronaldo is priced at a staggering 80mill what chance does Benitez or whoever have of competing within such a shoe string budget?

So 10 losses and counting will anything change while the ownership issue remains as it is?

NOPE

BTW change your sig - its rude MAN !

Yet arsenal have more quality than us with much less being spent.

They have a better scouting set up.

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:28 pm

Ill tell you what though that little Dvd man were the feck does he get his enery from , he was everywere ,

by **fivecups** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:04 pm

Dundalk wrote:
fivecups wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Pack of alcos....

Ive had my breakfast and Mrs Dundalk is away to a christening for the day and Ive the place to myself. I was supposed to go to the christening as well but after a bit of a row im not going now

Nice one

Got to pick you battles Dundalk!

Mrs Dundalk will be home soon

Well, did you get yer ballacks kicked in?

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:11 pm

tonyeh wrote:
s@int wrote:We have already lost 10 games out of 31, in Houlliers last season we only lost 8 games out of 38.

Maybe if we were to get a huge transfer chest off our loving owners Rafa might be able to turn things around. As that is looking slightly doubtful, maybe we should be looking for a manager who can do more with less.

This team needs more inspiration, less persperation and more footballers not spoilers.

We should be looking for a manager that can do more with what we've got already.

And one who plays the fuckin players he squanders money on.

Seriously, I wouldn't trust Benitez to go to the local newsagent for sweets with my money.

You are sam Allardyce and I claim my five pounds back.

Seriously, do you know how much of a ballbag you sound in this post?

by **devaney** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:14 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Im gonna say this an then me head will be clear. Gerrard if you wanna be a fu,cking captain you need to show it on the pitch lad , im sorry and i know this is not gonna go down well but he was a shi.tehouse out there today and im fuming with him , If you cant be ar,sed dont get on the fu,cking coach, yeh i love him but fecking hell Stevie lad sort your head out ,

Someone told him that they would rather see Liverpool relegated than have Hicks and Gillett as our owners. Gerrard is just playing his part in granting your wishes Nan

ha ha fair cop, but im not getting paid fecking thousands a week . I dunno Saint i love the lad to bits but his heads down by his a.rse at the mo, There were so many tackles that he could of gone infor today but shyed away, Stray passes , were normaly he is inch perfect , not just today but in a few games this season all of them lately, He is doing my head in with his half a.rsed approach,

I don't think he is fully fit now or that he has been all season. I think he is playing with a bad groin ..... either that or he needs a kick in it. He looks a yard slower this season and I have never seen him miss as many tackles as he has this year.

Its hurting me Saint to actualy see him playing like this, This season he has looked a shadow of his usual self, An i wanna see that back, I am sure he will turn the corner and get back to playing and driving on like he used to , i just hope its here , But hes still doing my head in the language i abused him with today was unmerciful,

It's not just the tackles, Stevie G has given up shooting for goal as well. Two great opportunities today and he passes the ball? He is as p.issed off as the rest of the team. First Babel has a go about Benitez and more recently Rierra has a go about Benitez's communication skills. If Gerrard wasn't the captain on crazy money then he would be having a go as well. Just what the fk did Benitez say at half time today. He is inept in the extreme. The team looked more deflated and fed up after his half time talk. If players are having a go then it is time for him to fk off. If anybody is capable of keeping the faith in Benitez then good luck.

Benitez has had as much money as anybody to spend other than Chelsea during the last five years with the possible exception of last year. He has generally performed badly in the transfer market and yet he still get's defended. Somebody has even calculated that we have only lost £1m on the Keane deal when the terms of the transfer will not complete for at least another 2/3 years! Ffs I give in!

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:18 pm

devaney wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Im gonna say this an then me head will be clear. Gerrard if you wanna be a fu,cking captain you need to show it on the pitch lad , im sorry and i know this is not gonna go down well but he was a shi.tehouse out there today and im fuming with him , If you cant be ar,sed dont get on the fu,cking coach, yeh i love him but fecking hell Stevie lad sort your head out ,

Someone told him that they would rather see Liverpool relegated than have Hicks and Gillett as our owners. Gerrard is just playing his part in granting your wishes Nan

ha ha fair cop, but im not getting paid fecking thousands a week . I dunno Saint i love the lad to bits but his heads down by his a.rse at the mo, There were so many tackles that he could of gone infor today but shyed away, Stray passes , were normaly he is inch perfect , not just today but in a few games this season all of them lately, He is doing my head in with his half a.rsed approach,

I don't think he is fully fit now or that he has been all season. I think he is playing with a bad groin ..... either that or he needs a kick in it. He looks a yard slower this season and I have never seen him miss as many tackles as he has this year.

Its hurting me Saint to actualy see him playing like this, This season he has looked a shadow of his usual self, An i wanna see that back, I am sure he will turn the corner and get back to playing and driving on like he used to , i just hope its here , But hes still doing my head in the language i abused him with today was unmerciful,

It's not just the tackles, Stevie G has given up shooting for goal as well. Two great opportunities today and he passes the ball? He is as p.issed off as the rest of the team. First Babel has a go about Benitez and more recently Rierra has a go about Benitez's communication skills. If Gerrard wasn't the captain on crazy money then he would be having a go as well.

Benitez has had as much money as anybody to spend other than Chelsea during the last five years with the possible exception of last year. He has generally performed badly in the transfer market and yet he still get's defended. Somebody has even calculated that we have only lost £1m on the Keane deal when the terms of the transfer will not complete for at least another 2/3 years!

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

by **fivecups** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:19 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Im gonna say this an then me head will be clear. Gerrard if you wanna be a fu,cking captain you need to show it on the pitch lad , im sorry and i know this is not gonna go down well but he was a shi.tehouse out there today and im fuming with him , If you cant be ar,sed dont get on the fu,cking coach, yeh i love him but fecking hell Stevie lad sort your head out ,

Someone told him that they would rather see Liverpool relegated than have Hicks and Gillett as our owners. Gerrard is just playing his part in granting your wishes Nan

ha ha fair cop, but im not getting paid fecking thousands a week . I dunno Saint i love the lad to bits but his heads down by his a.rse at the mo, There were so many tackles that he could of gone infor today but shyed away, Stray passes , were normaly he is inch perfect , not just today but in a few games this season all of them lately, He is doing my head in with his half a.rsed approach,

I don't think he is fully fit now or that he has been all season. I think he is playing with a bad groin ..... either that or he needs a kick in it. He looks a yard slower this season and I have never seen him miss as many tackles as he has this year.

Its hurting me Saint to actualy see him playing like this, This season he has looked a shadow of his usual self, An i wanna see that back, I am sure he will turn the corner and get back to playing and driving on like he used to , i just hope its here , But hes still doing my head in the language i abused him with today was unmerciful,

I was pondering this myself as I watched us whimper slowly to another defeat a la Arsenal.

So, I've loved Stevie since he burst into the team in the late 90's full of energy, charging everywhere, throwing himself into tackles, just loving playing the game. It's been a priviledge to see him transform into a world class attacking midfielder. I remember when he talked about the manager setting him a target of 10 goals per season, last season he scored over 20. Long range piledrivers, headers, tap-ins, free kicks, penalties no bother.

There is no question, this season he's been average. Why?

Kerry07 will argue that it's purely a reduction in supply due to the loss of Alonso but that's not enough. How many 25 yarders or free kicks has he scored. How many times has he tracked back 40 yards and put a perfectly timed tackle in? Hardly ever.

There is one thing I'm sure of though. Unless he is truly clinically depressed, he'll be up for a match against the mancs. There is no doubt about it. So what happened today?

The only conclusion I can come to, as Saint has said, is that he's still injured. As already said, he is slow, gets tackled easily, doesn't tackle himself, can find his passing rhythmn, and won't stretch for the ball. I think he's still carrying that chronic groin strain. I'm convinced of it after today. Either that or his legs have gone, but at 29 I just don't believe that. I think he's injured because whilst you could construe it as lack of effort I just don't see that in a game against the mancs. No way.

by **shawnk** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:33 pm

fivecups wrote:I was pondering this myself as I watched us whimper slowly to another defeat a la Arsenal.

So, I've loved Stevie since he burst into the team in the late 90's full of energy, charging everywhere, throwing himself into tackles, just loving playing the game. It's been a priviledge to see him transform into a world class attacking midfielder. I remember when he talked about the manager setting him a target of 10 goals per season, last season he scored over 20. Long range piledrivers, headers, tap-ins, free kicks, penalties no bother.

There is no question, this season he's been average. Why?

Kerry07 will argue that it's purely a reduction in supply due to the loss of Alonso but that's not enough. How many 25 yarders or free kicks has he scored. How many times has he tracked back 40 yards and put a perfectly timed tackle in? Hardly ever.

There is one thing I'm sure of though. Unless he is truly clinically depressed, he'll be up for a match against the mancs. There is no doubt about it. So what happened today?

The only conclusion I can come to, as Saint has said, is that he's still injured. As already said, he is slow, gets tackled easily, doesn't tackle himself, can find his passing rhythmn, and won't stretch for the ball. I think he's still carrying that chronic groin strain. I'm convinced of it after today. Either that or his legs have gone, but at 29 I just don't believe that. I think he's injured because whilst you could construe it as lack of effort I just don't see that in a game against the mancs. No way.

Or the World Cup is around.

by **Johnny Boy** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:37 pm

I have thought and wondered for some time if Stevie has an eye on the world cup, I changed my mind after the Lille game as I thought he looked more like his old self but the doubt keeps nagging away at me.

Fact is Bolton, Wolves and Wigan have scored more goals away from home than we have, sure they have conceded more but it's still a sobering thought.

by **Kerry07** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:55 pm

Johnny Boy wrote:I have thought and wondered for some time if Stevie has an eye on the world cup, I changed my mind after the Lille game as I thought he looked more like his old self but the doubt keeps nagging away at me.

Fact is Bolton, Wolves and Wigan have scored more goals away from home than we have, sure they have conceded more but it's still a sobering thought.

Those 3 teams don't have 2 non creative central midfielders playing for them

Masch is a world class destroyer, but he has no quality/creative partner alongside him.

We have the worst, least productive/creative central midfield since Souness was in charge (watching Reading tear us apart in there was especially painful)... no team can be competitive with such a handicap.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:21 pm

D.amn, and it started so well didn't it? What a nice goal from Torres and it looked like we were off to the races. A poor header from Insua, though, to let Valencia in and, for me, it was a penalty even though the contact began outside the box. From then on it looked like we were content with a draw and had no answer when Park scored. With that said, I would have backed Torres to slot home at least one of the two second half chances he had in their box. I guess he is human. There's no shame losing to an in-form United at OT but our anemic attack and ponderous build-up play (when we weren't doing the hit and hope routine that is) is a serious cause for alarm. What a contrast to a year ago when we swept forward with menace on their patch. Sigh.

by **fivecups** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:23 pm

shawnk wrote:
fivecups wrote:I was pondering this myself as I watched us whimper slowly to another defeat a la Arsenal.

So, I've loved Stevie since he burst into the team in the late 90's full of energy, charging everywhere, throwing himself into tackles, just loving playing the game. It's been a priviledge to see him transform into a world class attacking midfielder. I remember when he talked about the manager setting him a target of 10 goals per season, last season he scored over 20. Long range piledrivers, headers, tap-ins, free kicks, penalties no bother.

There is no question, this season he's been average. Why?

Kerry07 will argue that it's purely a reduction in supply due to the loss of Alonso but that's not enough. How many 25 yarders or free kicks has he scored. How many times has he tracked back 40 yards and put a perfectly timed tackle in? Hardly ever.

There is one thing I'm sure of though. Unless he is truly clinically depressed, he'll be up for a match against the mancs. There is no doubt about it. So what happened today?

The only conclusion I can come to, as Saint has said, is that he's still injured. As already said, he is slow, gets tackled easily, doesn't tackle himself, can find his passing rhythmn, and won't stretch for the ball. I think he's still carrying that chronic groin strain. I'm convinced of it after today. Either that or his legs have gone, but at 29 I just don't believe that. I think he's injured because whilst you could construe it as lack of effort I just don't see that in a game against the mancs. No way.

Or the World Cup is around.

Shawnk,

I just don't see why Stevie would be performing so poorly beacuse it's a world cup season. You mean to try and keep himself fit and keep something in reserve for the tournament? I don't buy that. He's too competitive, too good a professional and he's a Scouser. Playing like this all season isn't really good preparation for the world cup anyway.

There is no way in my mind that he is suddenly going to transform himself into the Gerrard of last season. I think unless he improves in the next few months, this is the Stevie we'll see in the world cup. I don't think he's fully fit.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:04 pm

I thought they were the better side for the majority of the game, although genuine goalscoring opportunties were relatively limited for both sides. They made good use of the wide areas in particular. Both of their goals relied on incisive wing play, the first by Valencia following Insua's error, the second a piece of Valencia-Rooney interplay (a classic example of the kind of play we ought to - need to - be seeing from our own team) that drew our players in-field and following that, Neville's subsequent run on the overlap that made space for Fletcher's cross. On another occasion Valencia got a cross in ahead of Insua where Park headed just wide from six yards. At other times, Rooney and Park linked really, and while Nani wasn't that productive he did seem to irk Johnson on a couple of occasions. Their CM pairing was simply better than ours. Say what we may about Fletcher but him and Carrick have enough grit and passing ability between them to provide enough of a platform for their real flair players to excel. It's not pretty but it's effective, whereas ours was - and is, in truth - neither.

From our point of view, defensively we did just about OK. Rooney was sort of contained, or just about contained as I don't think he ever really got in behind us or had that many shots on goal (couple of nearly moments, mind), but being as tenacious, as mobile and as skillful as he is, he managed to cause us a few problems when he came deep, for the second goal obviously but also linking with Park between the lines. Otherwise we did alright in terms of our shape and discipline. The real problem was that by the time they had a lead, instead of simply utilising Gerrard and Torres on the counter as we'd done prior, the whole team had to make an effort to break them down....in tight areas and against a doggedly determined side. This once again proved to be a massive barrier as we only created two opportunities, both created by a bit of intelligent but simple bit of link-up play between Gerrard and Kuyt/Masch, and (not) finished by Torres...or Benayoun. The first of those was only a half chance, if that, given the speed of the cross and Torres' proximity to Ferdinand. The second one closely resembled a sitter but in all honesty I don't think we would've deserved it had it been put away.

by **Scottbot** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:37 pm

I thought we played really well first half. We set up perfectly, looked organised at the back and more importantly, we were tidy in possession when we won it back. I thought Masch was fortunate to stay on tbh, I thought he was a gonna the moment Webb blew for the pen. Couldn't believe Pepe saved the pen only for the ball to trickle straight back to Rooney. Lucky :censored:

. I though everybody played well the first half, and I include Maxi in that. 2nd half we simply weren't in it, they stepped it up, played at a better tempo, kept the ball, and as soon as they got the goal I couldn't see much belief form the lads that they could get back into it. Still can't believe the chance that came Torres way at the end there, you'd back him to put that away 8 times outta 10.

As for Stevie's performance, I agree he hasn't looked 100% at any time this season, a yard short of pace and he's never had that sharpness we've come to expect. I'm not gonna criticize the lad though, he's still played better than most of the lads in the squad and I don't perceive the lack of effort that some of you are claiming, I just see a top player struggling for fitness and form in a team that should be good, but plays sh....i....t....e.

Lets be honest, our season wasn't messed up today or in games against our big rivals as such. Today's performance was far better than many we have witnessed against the league low-lights this season.

I figure we have to win pretty much all of our remaining games to be in with a shot for 4th place now, I guess we could get away with one more slip-up but the rest have to be perfect. Gulp

by **Scottbot** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:40 pm

s@int wrote:We have already lost 10 games out of 31, in Houlliers last season we only lost 8 games out of 38.

Maybe if we were to get a huge transfer chest off our loving owners Rafa might be able to turn things around. As that is looking slightly doubtful, maybe we should be looking for a manager who can do more with less.

This team needs more inspiration, less persperation and more footballers not spoilers.

Assessment couldn't be anymore accurate or concise mate. If we can't compete on an even footing with the mancs, Chelsea, City etc then we need a manager who can come in and OVER-ACHIEVE.

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