Owzat wrote:Not a bad performance overall, but a defeat at a time when even going out on penalties might have been something. Poor keeping imho for all three goals, quite why we paid £3m for a keeper to play SIX games in two seasons when we could have simply used Martin, a youth keeper or signed one of the keepers going cheap or on frees in the summer.
Again there are question marks over Rafa substitutions, just taking the SEVEN defeats there is a distinct pattern
L1-2 vs Arsenal (a) 74, 76, 88 - last goal scored in 50th minute
L1-2 vs Lyon (h) 25 (enforced), 74, 86 - last goal scored in 72nd minute
L0-1 vs Sunderland (a) 72, 73, 81 - beachball scored in the 5th minute
L0-2 vs Chelsea (a) 67, 76, 83 - Anelka scored in the 60th minute, the second came very late
L0-2 vs Fiorentina (a) 72, 80 - both goals scored before half-time, second in the 37th minute
L1-3 vs Aston Villa (h) 66, 76 - 0-2 down after 45
L1-2 vs Tottenham (a) 67, 75, 79 - last goal scored in the 59th minute.
So in those defeats, regardless of situation and too often unwilling to make double or triple substitutions :
1st substitution (7) - average 63rd minute, 70th if you exclude the enforced substitution
2nd substitution (7) - average 75th minute
3rd substitution (5) - average 83rd minute
In three of those games he waited until the 72nd minute or later to change things, technically it's four given the 25th minute change was not tactical and shouldn't really count. Maybe later changes can be forgiven when the side is winning, even not losing, but when you're losing and not playing that well, it is when changes are generally made. The last change is more or less token if you make it as late as Rafa does, five of the 19 subs came on with less than 10 minutes to make an impression. Maybe Rafa is worried about injuries being a factor late on with no subs left, but when you're losing that is a risk you have to take. There's no law saying you can't score with 10 men, in fact didn't we play 10 man Arsenal last season and they looked the better side............................?
algymoon wrote:Owzat wrote:Not a bad performance overall, but a defeat at a time when even going out on penalties might have been something. Poor keeping imho for all three goals, quite why we paid £3m for a keeper to play SIX games in two seasons when we could have simply used Martin, a youth keeper or signed one of the keepers going cheap or on frees in the summer.
Again there are question marks over Rafa substitutions, just taking the SEVEN defeats there is a distinct pattern
L1-2 vs Arsenal (a) 74, 76, 88 - last goal scored in 50th minute
L1-2 vs Lyon (h) 25 (enforced), 74, 86 - last goal scored in 72nd minute
L0-1 vs Sunderland (a) 72, 73, 81 - beachball scored in the 5th minute
L0-2 vs Chelsea (a) 67, 76, 83 - Anelka scored in the 60th minute, the second came very late
L0-2 vs Fiorentina (a) 72, 80 - both goals scored before half-time, second in the 37th minute
L1-3 vs Aston Villa (h) 66, 76 - 0-2 down after 45
L1-2 vs Tottenham (a) 67, 75, 79 - last goal scored in the 59th minute.
So in those defeats, regardless of situation and too often unwilling to make double or triple substitutions :
1st substitution (7) - average 63rd minute, 70th if you exclude the enforced substitution
2nd substitution (7) - average 75th minute
3rd substitution (5) - average 83rd minute
In three of those games he waited until the 72nd minute or later to change things, technically it's four given the 25th minute change was not tactical and shouldn't really count. Maybe later changes can be forgiven when the side is winning, even not losing, but when you're losing and not playing that well, it is when changes are generally made. The last change is more or less token if you make it as late as Rafa does, five of the 19 subs came on with less than 10 minutes to make an impression. Maybe Rafa is worried about injuries being a factor late on with no subs left, but when you're losing that is a risk you have to take. There's no law saying you can't score with 10 men, in fact didn't we play 10 man Arsenal last season and they looked the better side............................?
I May add on few words, well on yesterday’s showing does clearly indicates that our so called strong squad, is not really the case, with seven defeats so early in the season, it will be ringing the alarm bells for what we are going to expect of this season, that we are having under Rafa, well on these recent showing, I think the outcome is bleak!!!!, if we do not win at Lyon next week, we will be out of the champion league, so by early November we are already out of two cups, way behind in the League, with securing a fourth spot might prove very difficult, so I may ask what Rafa is going to win this season! Probably NIL. Is what you call a progress under Rafa?
On contrast you can really admire the promising talents that Arsenal is continue to producing season after season, it was really an embarrassment to see Arsenal’s kids play our expensive Rafa’s second team off the park. Since Houiler & Rafa, LFC has stopped producing any talented youngsters that worth mention, spending monies on unknown International stars (in Rafa’s eyes only) whom they do not come near half of Arsenal’s kids, it is really a crime, and a shameful chapter in our beloved club’s history, it is hurtful.
Benny The Noon wrote:Poor Keeping - Utter Cr@p- Why not give the credit to the goalscorers and just say they were fantastic strikes of which there isnt many keepers in the world which would of saved them .
Benny The Noon wrote:As for Sub times pretty much every manager in the world makes changes from the 65th ish min onwards depending on the game - on the odd occasion you get a change at half time or in the 50th min ish but it is normally from the 65th min onwards . Last night they scored in the 50th so the team then gets another 10 -20 mins to tryand get a goal back and they nearly did when that isnt working then you change things for the last 20 mins to try and get a winner or equaliser .
Benny The Noon wrote:I noticed you havent posted stats for when we have brought subs on and they have scored or won the game for us .
s@int wrote:Edit your post mate. not worth getting a card mate
Benny The Noon wrote:some like Nasri and Eduardo cost more than are whole team we played last night .
Benny The Noon wrote:Actually Owzat i prefer to look at the actual game and what is going on as opposed to focusing my whole football opinion based on stats .
Benny The Noon wrote:I will use this quote again which i think is pretty apt for you
Statistics are like a lampost to a drunken man - more for leaning on than illumination.
Ie Stats are stats at the end of the day and are something that has arisen from the Sky Prem Domination of football . They can be manipulated in many ways to try and back up peoples argument or disprove peoples argument but stats on their own are just meaningless numbers - unless its points won , trophies won . Stats on subs - whatever next - stats on when a player uses his left foot or right foot or squeezes out a fart.
s@int wrote:Benny The Noon wrote:some like Nasri and Eduardo cost more than are whole team we played last night .
Have you forgotten that Babel who cost £11.5million played for us mate ? add in Kuyt £10million, Skrtel £6.5million and Cavalieri £3.5million and I think you are badly mistaken mate.
s@int wrote:Benny The Noon wrote:some like Nasri and Eduardo cost more than are whole team we played last night .
Have you forgotten that Babel who cost £11.5million played for us mate ? add in Kuyt £10million, Skrtel £6.5million and Cavalieri £3.5million and I think you are badly mistaken mate.
Owzat wrote:s@int wrote:Edit your post mate. not worth getting a card mate
What did you get your's for? Are you that bothered about cards, unless you mouth off like some of the aggressive little gobsh'tes on here then you're unlikely to be banned? Even then some of the gobsh'tes on here get away with it
Benny The Noon wrote:Wasnt Fabianski 5 mil , Ramsey 5 mil , Senderos 4 mil , Silvestre 3 mil Bendtner 3 mil ?!
Owzat wrote:...there's no flexibility in the approach/timing even though every game is different. Last night the subs got 16+ mins maximum, you can always HOPE the existing players on the pitch will somehow pull back one goal deficits. And if someone has played poorly for 55+ minutes, who is to say they will improve and it is a good idea to replace poor performers when it is clear they are performing poorly.
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