STOKE CITY VS LIVERPOOL - 13 november 2010, ko: 17:30

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Postby lakes10 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:25 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson: "It's a bad result every time you lose, and it's difficult to give an assessment straight after you've been beaten. When we went 1-0 down we were forced to take some risks and they almost got us back into the game so unfortunately not. Most of today we've defended long throws and long ball forward and balls pumped into your penalty area, so it's a very different game to that against Chelsea. It's a special game, this one. You have to defend stoutly and do more going forward than we did."

yEH WHA, :censored: HELL

wat the :censored:....Roy you sent the team out to play just like Rafa did last year, it did not work then so it was not going to work now.......the idea is to win :censored: games mate not to get beat but look ok doing so.
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Postby tubby » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:26 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:NESV - did you watch this ? Does this not give you just cause for publicly flogging Woy ?
Come on Mr. Henry - do the right thing....

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Postby LFC2007 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:27 pm

Raoul wrote:lakes and LFC2007 how many of Stoke's or Wigan's player would you buy? They made us look poor. Or is not the players or something else?

Clearly there are problems with the depth and quality of the squad, but I'm not sure that is our biggest problem right now...

I would say as a minimum that Kenwyne Jones, Etherington, Shawcross, Nzogbia, Figueroa and Rodallega are either better or equal to several players who have featured regularly for us this season. We are carried by a core of quality and experienced players, while the rest aren't truly Liverpool standard - though I believe you can get away with carrying one or two of them (e.g. Kuyt) and with a bit of luck still challenge for the top honours. Do I think the squad can perform better? Of course. I think we should reasonably expect to be three or four points better off than we are currently, and to that extent I find the criticism of the manager fair. But with so many numpties in the squad, whoever took over was going to find it difficult to get real consistency from our performances. You aren't going to dominate many games and play fluent attacking football with the likes of: Konchesky, Skrtel, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Maxi, Ngog and Kuyt forming a key part of it. Even less so when your key players are injured or seriously out of form, as they were for spells last season, as they have been in spells this season. Stick enough of that lot in any top side and you'll see the same problems. That doesn't mean that individually they haven't put in good performances, or even several good performances (e.g. Lucas vs Blackburn, Bolton, Chelsea) but it means that with enough of them in our team - over 38 games - we'll struggle to find any real consistency. We swapped a dodgy manager for another dodgy manager and the squad remained effectively the same. No coincidence then that we're seeing a similar sort of outcome. We'll just have to grin and bear it until we get an opportunity to put it right.
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Postby redhayesy » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:27 pm

after that excuss of a perforfance,words fail me! NO  player today played with any creditability whatso ever! it's all about opinions so there's mine! NO fecking fight,desire,urgency end of- we got what we fecking deserved. i'm not even going to post on the players rating on this game,cause NONE of them deserve a rating!!   btw -no knee jerk reaction - i don't want to watch this horror show again,i know what i saw & it was fecking un-acceptable end of!
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Postby metalhead » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:28 pm

Lee J wrote:here she is, right on cue, the forum clown.

go fuking do one you jumped up b!tch.

I may have taken 4 month longer than you to come to the conclusion Roy must leave but at least I was behind him hoping he'd give it a shot. you wrote him off from the day he was rumoured.

what an utter disgrace of a fan you are, go watch X factor you low life fuking trollope.

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Postby lakes10 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:29 pm

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lakes10 wrote:what we should be talking about is how bad our players are playing and how the hell thy have forgot how to pass, i mean Torres misshit a pass tonight by a full 20 yards, SG missed a pass and cost us a 2nd goal, what the hell is going on.

a manager can :censored: up many things but making players forget how to pass a ball is not one of them.

Yeah we need some new players. But even if we had better players this manager would probably find some way to make them play badly so if you don't mind id rather see the manager out first before we move onto signing new players.

Besides, we have that Comolli in now, im sure he will be bring in a few decent ones.

well you got to think the board know what sort of manager roy was when they gave him the job, as i keep saying he is a firefighter manager, someone you call in when you think your club might go down , he can keep them up by getting the odd results and builds up the points to sit in he safe zone.

as we said at the time, we would be very shocked if he is here more than a year. he would have to get 5th spot and win or almost win something to be given the chance to stay.

as for Comolli , he got to find at least 5 home grown players for the club, we still dont have our full 25.

and i dont think he will work out at the club in trurh.
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Postby tubby » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:29 pm

lakes10 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson: "It's a bad result every time you lose, and it's difficult to give an assessment straight after you've been beaten. When we went 1-0 down we were forced to take some risks and they almost got us back into the game so unfortunately not. Most of today we've defended long throws and long ball forward and balls pumped into your penalty area, so it's a very different game to that against Chelsea. It's a special game, this one. You have to defend stoutly and do more going forward than we did."

yEH WHA, :censored: HELL

wat the :censored:....Roy you sent the team out to play just like Rafa did last year, it did not work then so it was not going to work now.......the idea is to win :censored: games mate not to get beat but look ok doing so.

Will you stop saying he sets his teams up like Rafa. Firstly it isn't true and secondly it's an insult to Rafa to compare Roy's tactics. The same formation was used by 4 or 5 teams in the world cup. Does that mean they all set up like Rafa too?
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Postby metalhead » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:29 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Raoul wrote:lakes and LFC2007 how many of Stoke's or Wigan's player would you buy? They made us look poor. Or is not the players or something else?

Clearly there are problems with the depth and quality of the squad, but I'm not sure that is our biggest problem right now...

I would say as a minimum that Kenwyne Jones, Etherington, Shawcross, Nzogbia, Figueroa and Rodallega are either better or equal to several players who have featured regularly for us this season. We are carried by a core of quality and experienced players, while the rest aren't truly Liverpool standard - though I believe you can get away with carrying one or two of them (e.g. Kuyt) and with a bit of luck still challenge for the top honours. Do I think the squad can perform better? Of course. I think we should reasonably expect to be three or four points better off than we are currently, and to that extent I find the criticism of the manager fair. But with so many numpties in the squad, whoever took over was going to find it difficult to get real consistency from our performances. You aren't going to dominate many games and play fluent attacking football with the likes of: Konchesky, Skrtel, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Maxi, Ngog and Kuyt forming a key part of it. Even less so when your key players are injured or seriously out of form, as they were for spells last season, as they have been in spells this season. Stick enough of that lot in any top side and you'll see the same problems. That doesn't mean that individually they haven't put in good performances, or even several good performances (e.g. Lucas vs Blackburn, Bolton, Chelsea) but it means that with enough of them in our team - over 38 games - we'll struggle to find any real consistency. We swapped a dodgy manager for another dodgy manager and the squad remained effectively the same. No coincidence then that we're seeing a similar sort of outcome. We'll just have to grin and bear it until we get an opportunity to put it right.

couldn't agree more man, we need some serious quality if we need to challenge.
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Postby tubby » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:30 pm

btw not much to do with today but Aquilani setting up a goal for Juve. Glad we let that rubbish go. We have far too much creative talent in our team, full to the brim.
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Postby LFC2007 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:34 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:The Scum come back from 2 down against Villa. We can't even do that against Stoke - pathetic !

It's something we've lacked for a long time, mate. Think back to 08/09 and before, and we were making comebacks left, right, centre. Now - and since last season - when we've gone behind we've tended to stay behind or capitulate.
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Postby bigmick » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:36 pm

bavlondon wrote:btw not much to do with today but Aquilani setting up a goal for Juve. Glad we let that rubbish go. We have far too much creative talent in our team, full to the brim.

That's right Bav, Aquilani would have loved it against Stoke wouldn't he  :laugh:. Feck me sideways.
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Postby lakes10 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:37 pm

bavlondon wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson: "It's a bad result every time you lose, and it's difficult to give an assessment straight after you've been beaten. When we went 1-0 down we were forced to take some risks and they almost got us back into the game so unfortunately not. Most of today we've defended long throws and long ball forward and balls pumped into your penalty area, so it's a very different game to that against Chelsea. It's a special game, this one. You have to defend stoutly and do more going forward than we did."

yEH WHA, :censored: HELL

wat the :censored:....Roy you sent the team out to play just like Rafa did last year, it did not work then so it was not going to work now.......the idea is to win :censored: games mate not to get beat but look ok doing so.

Will you stop saying he sets his teams up like Rafa. Firstly it isn't true and secondly it's an insult to Rafa to compare Roy's tactics. The same formation was used by 4 or 5 teams in the world cup. Does that mean they all set up like Rafa too?

mate did you see the build up to te last two games? if you did you will see how Rafa set the team out and how he tried to win the game with the long passing with stoke in hope to cut out the amount of throw in's they got in out half. we got the same result last year this year at wigan and i am sure you could almost over lay the games and you would be hard picked to find any thing new.

i see on other forums the backing of MON coming to the club is building.......not sure about that one myself.
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Postby tubby » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:39 pm

lakes10 wrote:i see on other forums the backing of MON coming to the club is building.......not sure about that one myself.

No thanks. We want someone respected on a continental level.

But more importantly we need someone who is going to play good attacking football, no more British managers please. Whoever he is he will obviously have to get on with Comolli. Time to examine his past, I know he has links with France... get Deschamps in!!
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Postby bigmick » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:40 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Raoul wrote:lakes and LFC2007 how many of Stoke's or Wigan's player would you buy? They made us look poor. Or is not the players or something else?

Clearly there are problems with the depth and quality of the squad, but I'm not sure that is our biggest problem right now...

I would say as a minimum that Kenwyne Jones, Etherington, Shawcross, Nzogbia, Figueroa and Rodallega are either better or equal to several players who have featured regularly for us this season. We are carried by a core of quality and experienced players, while the rest aren't truly Liverpool standard - though I believe you can get away with carrying one or two of them (e.g. Kuyt) and with a bit of luck still challenge for the top honours. Do I think the squad can perform better? Of course. I think we should reasonably expect to be three or four points better off than we are currently, and to that extent I find the criticism of the manager fair. But with so many numpties in the squad, whoever took over was going to find it difficult to get real consistency from our performances. You aren't going to dominate many games and play fluent attacking football with the likes of: Konchesky, Skrtel, Carragher, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Maxi, Ngog and Kuyt forming a key part of it. Even less so when your key players are injured or seriously out of form, as they were for spells last season, as they have been in spells this season. Stick enough of that lot in any top side and you'll see the same problems. That doesn't mean that individually they haven't put in good performances, or even several good performances (e.g. Lucas vs Blackburn, Bolton, Chelsea) but it means that with enough of them in our team - over 38 games - we'll struggle to find any real consistency. We swapped a dodgy manager for another dodgy manager and the squad remained effectively the same. No coincidence then that we're seeing a similar sort of outcome. We'll just have to grin and bear it until we get an opportunity to put it right.

Not for the first time mate a very sensible post. Average players produce average performances too often. They did last season, and they are this. The team is playing like one which will finish somewhere between 4th and 8th, unfortunately that's how good we actually are. We got one point from Wigan away/Stoke Away last season, and we got one point this.

Things aren't changing quickly enough for my liking. Poor last season and poor again this, until we get better players this will happen from time to time.
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Postby mart » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:40 pm

bavlondon wrote:I know he has links with France... get Deschamps in!!

Didnt he already say no thanks? We are probably not gonna get a quality manager before summer.
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