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[whylongball?]

Any defenders would hate to play against Kuyt cos he gives them too much running to do. Any one who actually play some kind of competitive football should know what i mean. Especially defenders
Lets just be honest here. Kuyt can basically do everything ok, not exceptionally well but to a decent level. His strong points are movement and shooting but  those are kind of taken away when he's played as RM. But whenever he's asked to move inside more (like Everton game 2nd half) he become more dangerous.
Pennant was ok, potential but he stops improving. There is no debate for me. Kuyt over Pennant

[Leonmc0708]

aCe' - Based on last nights game why dont you pick on Stevie?

Lee are you serious here? having heard about the "unseen" work of Alonso for years, can the work which Gerrard has done over the last two games really be invisible? I heard some people calling him after the Everton game, and it was the most complete performance he has given as a central midfielder for many a year.

This time around, the game was won after half an hour so he just cruised through, bossed it and smashed in a 30 yard free kick at the end. How on earth though people can say he was poor last night (and your by no means the only one) is a total mystery to me. I don't know what else to say really.

Gerrard was average last night. Gave the ball away a lot and gave some poor free kicks away.

Had it been Lucas I think many (not necessarily you Mick) on here would be talking different about that particular performance.

[maypaxvobiscum]

can we agree on anything?

[Jimmy the Weasel]

Kuyt can basically do everything ok, not exceptionally well but to a decent level. His strong points are movement and shooting

Completely disagree on his shooting.

[GYBS]

aCe' - Based on last nights game why dont you pick on Stevie?

Lee are you serious here? having heard about the "unseen" work of Alonso for years, can the work which Gerrard has done over the last two games really be invisible? I heard some people calling him after the Everton game, and it was the most complete performance he has given as a central midfielder for many a year.

This time around, the game was won after half an hour so he just cruised through, bossed it and smashed in a 30 yard free kick at the end. How on earth though people can say he was poor last night (and your by no means the only one) is a total mystery to me. I don't know what else to say really.

mick - you've read me post wrong mate. I was pointing out to aCe and the other Kuyt bashers that both Kuyt and gerrard played to the same level last night. both scored, but gave max effort but both misplaced some wayward passes. But it always seems to be Kuyt that kops for the flack.
  I was by no means pulling down gerrard at all mate.

Quite simply because Gerrard is usually a seven or eight of ten player every week and Kuyt's usually a 6/10 every week. Last night he'd get a seven and was decent, yet people are going on about him like he's as good as Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Reina or Mascherano.

He's nowhere near that standard of player, he's not good enough for this team. Simple as.

who is saying he is as good as gerrard or torres ?

so what would you rate kuyt at last night ? you rate gerrard at 7 and decent yet gave the ball away on numerous occasions and some of his passes put teammates into trouble ?

[Fo Dne]

amazing how you can say very good posts yet kuyt put in the same performance as gerrard last night - no different at all.

Because you're praising Kuyt for having an average to decent (at best) game. Who's praising Gerrard because of last night?

No-one, so why should Kuyt get praised?

If thats Kuyt playing well then god help us. The fact is, Stevie's quality every single week without fail pretty much, Kuyt isn't. Kuyt often costs us points, possession and general play. He's not good enough to be in the team every week in his best position, let alone as a right midfielder where he looks hopelessly out of his depth at times.

He done ok last night against poor opposition. So what?

[maypaxvobiscum]

ok here is one for you guys, kuyt scored. i feel the keeper made a mistake. that any other keeper would have done better. if THAT type of goal was scored against us, would u blame the keeper, or would u think that it was a good strike?

[Fo Dne]

aCe' - Based on last nights game why dont you pick on Stevie?

Lee are you serious here? having heard about the "unseen" work of Alonso for years, can the work which Gerrard has done over the last two games really be invisible? I heard some people calling him after the Everton game, and it was the most complete performance he has given as a central midfielder for many a year.

This time around, the game was won after half an hour so he just cruised through, bossed it and smashed in a 30 yard free kick at the end. How on earth though people can say he was poor last night (and your by no means the only one) is a total mystery to me. I don't know what else to say really.

Gerrard was average last night. Gave the ball away a lot and gave some poor free kicks away.

Had it been Lucas I think many (not necessarily you Mick) on here would be talking different about that particular performance.

1. Because Lucas is awful and Gerrard's class.

2. Because Lucas could never put in a performance even close to the one put in by Gerrard in the Derby.

3. Because Lucas is every week he doesn't get cut the same amount of slack as one of the top 5 players in the world.

4. Steven Gerrard's our captain with good reason.

5. Gerrard playing average is 100% better than Lucas playing "well".

[Kukilon]

Dirk was one of our better players last night and yet again some people gets on his back. Sad really.

[Fo Dne]

aCe' - Based on last nights game why dont you pick on Stevie?

Lee are you serious here? having heard about the "unseen" work of Alonso for years, can the work which Gerrard has done over the last two games really be invisible? I heard some people calling him after the Everton game, and it was the most complete performance he has given as a central midfielder for many a year.

This time around, the game was won after half an hour so he just cruised through, bossed it and smashed in a 30 yard free kick at the end. How on earth though people can say he was poor last night (and your by no means the only one) is a total mystery to me. I don't know what else to say really.

mick - you've read me post wrong mate. I was pointing out to aCe and the other Kuyt bashers that both Kuyt and gerrard played to the same level last night. both scored, but gave max effort but both misplaced some wayward passes. But it always seems to be Kuyt that kops for the flack.
  I was by no means pulling down gerrard at all mate.

Quite simply because Gerrard is usually a seven or eight of ten player every week and Kuyt's usually a 6/10 every week. Last night he'd get a seven and was decent, yet people are going on about him like he's as good as Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Reina or Mascherano.

He's nowhere near that standard of player, he's not good enough for this team. Simple as.

who is saying he is as good as gerrard or torres ?

so what would you rate kuyt at last night ? you rate gerrard at 7 and decent yet gave the ball away on numerous occasions and some of his passes put teammates into trouble ?

Ad give Kuyt a seven aswell. Whats your point?

He gave the ball away countless times, played alot of dangerous passes that could injure his own team mates and numurous moves broke down with him, went off mindlessly chasing the ball andleaving Arbeloa and the midfield exposed.

But scored a goal and played a part in another and ran round alot even if he does out of every tackle he goes in for.

[Fo Dne]

ok here is one for you guys, kuyt scored. i feel the keeper made a mistake. that any other keeper would have done better. if THAT type of goal was scored against us, would u blame the keeper, or would u think that it was a good strike?

Good post.

[maypaxvobiscum]

ok here is one for you guys, kuyt scored. i feel the keeper made a mistake. that any other keeper would have done better. if THAT type of goal was scored against us, would u blame the keeper, or would u think that it was a good strike?

Good post.

i really felt how the keeper reacted was bizzare. he HAD the ball shot at him but he palmed it into the net. i feel its a lucky goal. and if it happened to us, im sure alot of you posters would be saying '''FFS Reina!!!    '''

[GYBS]

aCe' - Based on last nights game why dont you pick on Stevie?

Lee are you serious here? having heard about the "unseen" work of Alonso for years, can the work which Gerrard has done over the last two games really be invisible? I heard some people calling him after the Everton game, and it was the most complete performance he has given as a central midfielder for many a year.

This time around, the game was won after half an hour so he just cruised through, bossed it and smashed in a 30 yard free kick at the end. How on earth though people can say he was poor last night (and your by no means the only one) is a total mystery to me. I don't know what else to say really.

mick - you've read me post wrong mate. I was pointing out to aCe and the other Kuyt bashers that both Kuyt and gerrard played to the same level last night. both scored, but gave max effort but both misplaced some wayward passes. But it always seems to be Kuyt that kops for the flack.
  I was by no means pulling down gerrard at all mate.

Quite simply because Gerrard is usually a seven or eight of ten player every week and Kuyt's usually a 6/10 every week. Last night he'd get a seven and was decent, yet people are going on about him like he's as good as Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Reina or Mascherano.

He's nowhere near that standard of player, he's not good enough for this team. Simple as.

who is saying he is as good as gerrard or torres ?

so what would you rate kuyt at last night ? you rate gerrard at 7 and decent yet gave the ball away on numerous occasions and some of his passes put teammates into trouble ?

Ad give Kuyt a seven aswell. Whats your point?

He gave the ball away countless times, played alot of dangerous passes that could injure his own team mates and numurous moves broke down with him, went off mindlessly chasing the ball andleaving Arbeloa and the midfield exposed.

But scored a goal and played a part in another and ran round alot even if he does out of every tackle he goes in for.

pretty much what gerrard did last night , played balls that could of injured his teammates - remember one pass back to carra that was woefully short that lucky for gerrard carra just got a foot in.

leaving midfield exposed ?? im sorry but i cant remember them attacking much down our right side ? maybe the left side but not the right ? if kuyt wandered inside then keane filled the gap or torres did , they switched and moved around a lot and created between themselves. look at our second goal as a perfect example - kuyt just inside the right - holds off three players dribbles round two plays it to torres wide right who whips in a great cross for keane to get on the end off - so nothing was exposed.

people are praising gerrard for last night (some saying perfect performance) yet slagging kuyt of for his .

gerrard played ok - was pretty woeful in first half with his passing and second half got better and scored a cracker - so an ok performance.

Kuyt did well first half - getting on scoresheet and helping create the second . second half was a bit quiter but was constant movement going forward and defending by working well with arbeloa - tried passes that didnt come off and some that did - remember that ball he pinged out to reira - great ball and reira put in an equally good ball into the box - if gerrard had played that ball some would of said it was an outstanding racking pass.

[Fo Dne]

ok here is one for you guys, kuyt scored. i feel the keeper made a mistake. that any other keeper would have done better. if THAT type of goal was scored against us, would u blame the keeper, or would u think that it was a good strike?

Good post.

i really felt how the keeper reacted was bizzare. he HAD the ball shot at him but he palmed it into the net. i feel its a lucky goal. and if it happened to us, im sure alot of you posters would be saying '''FFS Reina!!!    '''

I agree 100%.

But people will argue how you can only beat whats infront of you and all the usual chliche which means nothing.

[maypaxvobiscum]

ok here is one for you guys, kuyt scored. i feel the keeper made a mistake. that any other keeper would have done better. if THAT type of goal was scored against us, would u blame the keeper, or would u think that it was a good strike?

Good post.

i really felt how the keeper reacted was bizzare. he HAD the ball shot at him but he palmed it into the net. i feel its a lucky goal. and if it happened to us, im sure alot of you posters would be saying '''FFS Reina!!!    '''

I agree 100%.

But people will argue how you can only beat whats infront of you and all the usual chliche which means nothing.

and how he had the intelligence to be in that position or the power of his shot was too great to handle