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Bad Bob wrote:Fair enough, it's a Kuyt thread and people are talking at length about whether he's good enough but, honestly, that discussion has been hashed and rehashed to within an inch of its life now surely?

Perhaps a new direction of debate would be to assess what it is that Rafa sees in Kuyt and why he gets so many minutes on the pitch each week, even if he's looked less than stellar?  Some will no doubt get silly about this and suggest that the Dutch mafia has threatened Rafa's family or that they fancy each other or something but it would be great if people seriously looked at the question.  Rafa surely isn't blind to Kuyt's limitations and yet opts to make him a virtually nailed-on 90+ minute player most matches.  What does the Dutchman bring to the team in Rafa's system that makes him so undroppable?

Bad Bob wrote:Fair enough, it's a Kuyt thread and people are talking at length about whether he's good enough but, honestly, that discussion has been hashed and rehashed to within an inch of its life now surely?

Perhaps a new direction of debate would be to assess what it is that Rafa sees in Kuyt and why he gets so many minutes on the pitch each week, even if he's looked less than stellar?  Some will no doubt get silly about this and suggest that the Dutch mafia has threatened Rafa's family or that they fancy each other or something but it would be great if people seriously looked at the question.  Rafa surely isn't blind to Kuyt's limitations and yet opts to make him a virtually nailed-on 90+ minute player most matches.  What does the Dutchman bring to the team in Rafa's system that makes him so undroppable?

peewee wrote:yeah because he was the only player left standing at the end of that game. 

Do we now know kuyt has more energy for a fact or is it something else thrown in as an unprovable fact to try and justify an argument.

We can all make up false facts, such as 'kuyt seems to have energy at the end of games because he  runs at half the speed of other players' 

MASTER wrote:

GYBS wrote:Think maybe he doesnt come off as much due to his energy levels being higher than anyone else as was seen in the leige game .

So his enegy levels are good, OK thats fine.

However you have stated many times in this thread how important he is to the team in BIG matches, this weekend we have possibly the hardest match this season, when we play the derby, purely because of last seasons fixture.


So explain why he even played when we could have seen Babel, Keane, Riera and Torres on the same pitch to see how they integrate, after all we all KNEW, they were going to sit back and wait it out and we would need TRUE creativity.


The really awful thing is were going to have this situation in the league at home maybe 5 more times, where we need said quality, rather than for all his other admirable attributes, the limited technical and athletic skills of Dirk Kuyt.


PS: Well done for standing your ground against a tide of criticisim.

Bad Bob wrote:Fair enough, it's a Kuyt thread and people are talking at length about whether he's good enough but, honestly, that discussion has been hashed and rehashed to within an inch of its life now surely?

Perhaps a new direction of debate would be to assess what it is that Rafa sees in Kuyt and why he gets so many minutes on the pitch each week, even if he's looked less than stellar?  Some will no doubt get silly about this and suggest that the Dutch mafia has threatened Rafa's family or that they fancy each other or something but it would be great if people seriously looked at the question.  Rafa surely isn't blind to Kuyt's limitations and yet opts to make him a virtually nailed-on 90+ minute player most matches.  What does the Dutchman bring to the team in Rafa's system that makes him so undroppable?

stmichael wrote:Those who criticise Kuyt's performances for us should also be criticising some of Rooney's displays for Man U. In a lot of games, he's simply a hard working, willing runner.

stmichael wrote:Those who criticise Kuyt's performances for us should also be criticising some of Rooney's displays for Man U. In a lot of games, he's simply a hard working, willing runner.

GYBS wrote:Rooney is by far a more talented footballer than kuyt . he does do a lot of hard work for man utd and i dont think he is utilized to his full potential at man utd . will be even more so now they got berbatov as well .

stmichael wrote:

GYBS wrote:Rooney is by far a more talented footballer than kuyt . he does do a lot of hard work for man utd and i dont think he is utilized to his full potential at man utd . will be even more so now they got berbatov as well .

nobody's questioning that. it just seems to be a common trend in football these days for managers to play forward out wide for the sake of the team. rafa isn't the only one who does it. i saw anelka playing wide left for chelsea last season. rooney plays almost exclusively wide for united in europe in particular. van persie plays wide for arsenal as does walcott even though both are strikers.

GYBS wrote:Rooney is by far a more talented footballer than kuyt . he does do a lot of hard work for man utd and i dont think he is utilized to his full potential at man utd