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by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:53 am

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
GYBS wrote:jimmy have you posted on another forum before ? Very similar to someone else i know

Yeh mate. I go on the F365 forum a bit, that's a good one, and used to be on football.co.uk a while back but that was a bit so I rarely go on now.

Don't think I've ever seen you unless you have a different name obviously!

Thats no worries mate - when i first posted it i thought your posting reminded me of someone i had big probs with on three message boards already and am just waiting for him to turn up here but reading back its easy to see your not him - no worries mate .

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:00 am

GYBS wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
GYBS wrote:jimmy have you posted on another forum before ? Very similar to someone else i know

Yeh mate. I go on the F365 forum a bit, that's a good one, and used to be on football.co.uk a while back but that was a bit so I rarely go on now.

Don't think I've ever seen you unless you have a different name obviously!

Thats no worries mate - when i first posted it i thought your posting reminded me of someone i had big probs with on three message boards already and am just waiting for him to turn up here but reading back its easy to see your not him - no worries mate .

I see, troublemaker then are you!!

Just messin

by **Ace Ventura** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:01 am

GYBS wrote:Kuyt is not world class.
Kuyt is not an outstanding striker or Right wing or right midfielder.
Kuyt's goal record in his second season wasnt good enough
Kuyts first touch sometimes lacks
Kuyt isnt quick
Kuyt contributed some vital goals in the CL last year and this year
Kuyt helped create a fair amount of goals last season and already this season
Kuyt defensive work and tracking back last season helped the team
Kuyt work rate has enabled the team to keep going through 90 or sometimes 120 mins by giving an outlet
Kuyt passion for the game and passion for liverpool is something other players could learn from
Kuyts game awareness is very underated
Kuyt has shown himself to be an important member for the squad and the team but shouldnt play every single game but will do until a better option is available for rafa

Fair enough, thats a balanced post.

Now would you personally play Kuyt if we are playing a mid to lower league team at home on the right in a 4-4-2 formation ?

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:17 am

Ace Ventura wrote:
GYBS wrote:Kuyt is not world class.
Kuyt is not an outstanding striker or Right wing or right midfielder.
Kuyt's goal record in his second season wasnt good enough
Kuyts first touch sometimes lacks
Kuyt isnt quick
Kuyt contributed some vital goals in the CL last year and this year
Kuyt helped create a fair amount of goals last season and already this season
Kuyt defensive work and tracking back last season helped the team
Kuyt work rate has enabled the team to keep going through 90 or sometimes 120 mins by giving an outlet
Kuyt passion for the game and passion for liverpool is something other players could learn from
Kuyts game awareness is very underated
Kuyt has shown himself to be an important member for the squad and the team but shouldnt play every single game but will do until a better option is available for rafa

Fair enough, thats a balanced post.

Now would you personally play Kuyt if we are playing a mid to lower league team at home on the right in a 4-4-2 formation ?

No i dont think he should and have never said he should but i understand why he does play there . I dont even think we should be playing 442 at all mate .

by **tonyeh** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:18 am

GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:kuyt isnt a cr@p player he just isnt good enough for the first team. madrid and manure were chasing berba. even man city. and who bothered about kuyt? he doesnt have the brilliance to win a game on his own. he doesnt have flair. he loses the ball far too often. he mayb have given that pass to babel but who couldnt? if that pass was so difficult to make then that person shouldnt be playing football. i think most of us want a player who does more then just hard work. i would rather have a lazy fecker who has higher chances of scoring then one who does so much hard wok but has so little to show for it. you win games by points via goals scored...not who ran the most.

and remind me again how berbatov has done at spurs in the last two seasons ?

Well, at the very least, he's been prolific enough to have the most successful team in the Premiership to shell out 30 million for him.

GBYS, honestly and no offence, but yer onto a loser trying to compare Berbatov to Kuyt. :;):

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:31 am

Tonyeh - other people brought up trying to compare berbatov . i just gave my opinion on the matter . Have already said that berbatov is a more talented footballer but wouldnt want him .

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:33 am

I think it was one of those pointless statistics that brought Berbatov into this - the one that gets trotted out a lot about Kuyt scoring the same number of goals as Berbatov 2 seasons ago.

The only reason GY was arguing about the two was because he seemed to endorse that statistic as proof of Kuyt's ability now.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:37 am

I just agreed that berbatov scored the same number of goals as kuyt in first season . One was labelled a world class scoring machiine the other :censored:

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by **stmichael** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:48 am

In my opinion this thread is a classic example of one that will never ever end.

It seems that every game now his supporters hail him as being ace, and his detractors say he was sh#te, when most of the time he was something in between the two.

The only gripe I have is that he never seems to get substituted, even when he's having on of his poorer games. For example on Saturday I though Babel should have replaced him down the right but Riera got taken off.

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:55 am

There's been a few people saying "lock it now" etc!

If it's a topic that provokes debate, it's a good thing! If you don't want to argue about Kuyt, just don't!

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:55 am

Think maybe he doesnt come off as much due to his energy levels being higher than anyone else as was seen in the leige game .

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:37 am

yeah because he was the only player left standing at the end of that game. :laugh:

Do we now know kuyt has more energy for a fact or is it something else thrown in as an unprovable fact to try and justify an argument.

We can all make up false facts, such as 'kuyt seems to have energy at the end of games because he runs at half the speed of other players'

by **Rockthekop** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:39 am

Kuyt always starts and is rarely substituted even when he is playing cack (which is quite often).

I just don't understand what Rafa is thinking sometimes. Kuyt works hard (yawn) but should not be starting every game.

Babel needs a good run in the team, Kuyt has had his chance.

by **MASTER** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:40 am

GYBS wrote:Think maybe he doesnt come off as much due to his energy levels being higher than anyone else as was seen in the leige game .

So his enegy levels are good, OK thats fine.

However you have stated many times in this thread how important he is to the team in BIG matches, this weekend we have possibly the hardest match this season, when we play the derby, purely because of last seasons fixture.

So explain why he even played when we could have seen Babel, Keane, Riera and Torres on the same pitch to see how they integrate, after all we all KNEW, they were going to sit back and wait it out and we would need TRUE creativity.

The really awful thing is were going to have this situation in the league at home maybe 5 more times, where we need said quality, rather than for all his other admirable attributes, the limited technical and athletic skills of Dirk Kuyt.

PS: Well done for standing your ground against a tide of criticisim.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:40 am

Fair enough, it's a Kuyt thread and people are talking at length about whether he's good enough but, honestly, that discussion has been hashed and rehashed to within an inch of its life now surely?

Perhaps a new direction of debate would be to assess what it is that Rafa sees in Kuyt and why he gets so many minutes on the pitch each week, even if he's looked less than stellar? Some will no doubt get silly about this and suggest that the Dutch mafia has threatened Rafa's family or that they fancy each other or something but it would be great if people seriously looked at the question. Rafa surely isn't blind to Kuyt's limitations and yet opts to make him a virtually nailed-on 90+ minute player most matches. What does the Dutchman bring to the team in Rafa's system that makes him so undroppable?

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