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by **Emerald Red** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:02 pm

How about this: they (Berbatov/Kuyt) are both not good enough to play for us. At least Kuyt wears his heart on his sleeve when playing for us. He works his boll*cks off for the cause and the shirt. I can't fault the man for that, and as such I'll always support him as long as he plays in a red shirt. A bit paradoxical, yes, but Kuyt has the industry where Berbatov does not; and Berbatov has the verve where Kuyt does not. Which do you prefer if the goal tally is barely any different? I'd go with the player that questions nothing and keeps his mouth shut, while at the same time shows a great example to other players on the pitch by his fantastic work rate right to the final whistle.

Kuyt never seems to take a ball on and run with it into the box. This is my main gripe with the man. But then again, neither does Berbatov. If we were looking anyone, maybe we need a more direct solution of a player who has nothing but attack-minded and quick. Like Martins. I think he'd be quality for us.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:05 pm

dawson99 wrote:just the shport memories you people have. its a dry spell. last season he got a lot of valuable goals for us, and i think he'll do the same this season

and bob, in that case, we need to get rid of: kuyt, crouch, pennant, about 5 other players, spend another 50 million..where does it end?

kuyt scored for us last season, and hes good enough to do it this season. there has to be a point where stop buying the titel and working with the players we have. too often in the past have we just chucked someone weve spent a lot on after one season and try again... this time we gotta grind it out, and thats rafas job

FFS Dawson, even Baros scored 19 league goals in 45 games for us.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:07 pm

s@int wrote:
dawson99 wrote:just the shport memories you people have. its a dry spell. last season he got a lot of valuable goals for us, and i think he'll do the same this season

and bob, in that case, we need to get rid of: kuyt, crouch, pennant, about 5 other players, spend another 50 million..where does it end?

kuyt scored for us last season, and hes good enough to do it this season. there has to be a point where stop buying the titel and working with the players we have. too often in the past have we just chucked someone weve spent a lot on after one season and try again... this time we gotta grind it out, and thats rafas job

FFS Dawson, even Baros scored 19 league goals in 45 games for us.

I think Baros would have turned out to be a great striker for us had he just learned to lift his head now and again when he was running with the ball. I don't think he ever did, though.

by **dawson99** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:08 pm

so what do we do? buy martins, doesnt work, buy anelka, doesnt work, buy....

wheres the point where we just become another chelsea?

our turnover is just disgusting, our faith in players and/or scouting levels are disgusting. our fickle fans...disgusting.

we cant keep throwing players out the window EVERY SEASON.
cisse,baros,diouff,bellamy... the list is endless of players who we cart off after 10 games played, its just doing my head. now kuyt has had a bad start to the season in which not many of our players have exactly excelled, and already fans are calling him every name under the sun

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:09 pm

dawson99 wrote:just the shport memories you people have. its a dry spell. last season he got a lot of valuable goals for us, and i think he'll do the same this season

and bob, in that case, we need to get rid of: kuyt, crouch, pennant, about 5 other players, spend another 50 million..where does it end?

kuyt scored for us last season, and hes good enough to do it this season. there has to be a point where stop buying the titel and working with the players we have. too often in the past have we just chucked someone weve spent a lot on after one season and try again... this time we gotta grind it out, and thats rafas job

Dawson, I dont think we necessarily need to get rid of him but we do need to move him down the pecking order. As Saint's said for months, we need a proper creative second striker to partner Torres. Barring that, I would certainly play Crouch ahead of Kuyt because he creates more chances for himself and teammates.

Kuyt's great if we need to defend from the front at a very high tempo and maybe sneak a goal against a top pass-and-move opponent. He's a decided liability when we need to break down teams that stick 9-10 men behind the ball, invite us on to them and require us to pass our way through them to get a look at goal. Unfortunately, in the league, we play the latter type of team much more frequently than the former.

by **Penguins** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:01 pm

Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor. If attitude alone would win games then Kuyt would be the man, but it isn't the case.

We just need a much more skilled and creative player as a 2nd striker. It's one thing to shot down players without giving them a chance, but when the lack of footballing skills is there for everyone to see then the player becomes undefendable.

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:32 am

Penguins wrote:Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor.

Then it is a different Dirk Kuyt we have been watching.

Dirk Kuyt

Bandwagons stopped all hoppers can jump off now.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:10 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Penguins wrote:Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor.

Then it is a different Dirk Kuyt we have been watching.

Dirk Kuyt

Bandwagons stopped all hoppers can jump off now.

Didn't realize we were basing our evaluations on Youtube clips now. In that case, let's sign these lads up--Youtube proves they're good:

Prospect 1

Prospect 2

Prospects 3 and 4

Prospect 5

:no

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:20 am

Bad Bob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Penguins wrote:Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor.

Then it is a different Dirk Kuyt we have been watching.

Dirk Kuyt

Bandwagons stopped all hoppers can jump off now.

Didn't realize we were basing our evaluations on Youtube clips now. In that case, let's sign these lads up--Youtube proves they're good:

Prospect 1

Prospect 2

Prospects 3 and 4

Prospect 5

So what your saying is by proving my point in the short term memory with regards to showing kuyt you can justify it by showing clips of past players, wheres dalglish? wheres rush? wheres toshack? wheres keegan?

What im proving is this. Kuyt can perform for us. He shows movement, he shows he can create chances, hes shown he can take them. Or is it a case of where the cap fits?

by **LFC2007** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:35 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Penguins wrote:Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor.

Then it is a different Dirk Kuyt we have been watching.

Dirk Kuyt

Bandwagons stopped all hoppers can jump off now.

Didn't realize we were basing our evaluations on Youtube clips now. In that case, let's sign these lads up--Youtube proves they're good:

Prospect 1

Prospect 2

Prospects 3 and 4

Prospect 5

So what your saying is by proving my point in the short term memory with regards to showing kuyt you can justify it by showing clips of past players, wheres dalglish? wheres rush? wheres toshack? wheres keegan?

What im proving is this. Kuyt can perform for us. He shows movement, he shows he can create chances, hes shown he can take them. Or is it a case of where the cap fits?

WTF?!

Nao compreendo

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:39 am

The clip I showed is that kuyt is more than capable of performing, and through his stage of low confidence everyone is jumping on the get rid bandwagon. I have much patience and understanding.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:45 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Penguins wrote:Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor.

Then it is a different Dirk Kuyt we have been watching.

Dirk Kuyt

Bandwagons stopped all hoppers can jump off now.

Didn't realize we were basing our evaluations on Youtube clips now. In that case, let's sign these lads up--Youtube proves they're good:

Prospect 1

Prospect 2

Prospects 3 and 4

Prospect 5

So what your saying is by proving my point in the short term memory with regards to showing kuyt you can justify it by showing clips of past players, wheres dalglish? wheres rush? wheres toshack? wheres keegan?

What im proving is this. Kuyt can perform for us. He shows movement, he shows he can create chances, hes shown he can take them. Or is it a case of where the cap fits?

No, what I am saying is that, with respect to the now thousands of minutes Kuyt has played in a Liverpool shirt (42 matches and counting), you've provided us with a Youtube clip that shows 4 odd minutes of highlights. If I was churlish, I'd ask to see clips of him showing a heavy touch or misplacing passes or missing sitters--you'd have plenty of footage to work with there. As I actually like Dirk, however, I'll just say that Youtube is simply not a good barometer of measuring football talent by its very nature.

Besides we don't need it, as we've had the opportunity to watch Kuyt play fairly regularly for the last year and a half. And, while I think some of the goals this clip has included were superb (thought so at the time as well) I also think that those moments are far too few and far between. If we really want to win the league. I mean really want it, then Kuyt should either be moved on or moved down the pecking order.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:46 am

Ok, but it's generally accepted that youtube appraisals are a very superficial tool with which to analyse a player. They can make almost any striker look good.

I agree with your point, but not the way you're trying to convey it.

Kharhaz ^

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:47 am

LFC2007 wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Penguins wrote:Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor.

Then it is a different Dirk Kuyt we have been watching.

Dirk Kuyt

Bandwagons stopped all hoppers can jump off now.

Didn't realize we were basing our evaluations on Youtube clips now. In that case, let's sign these lads up--Youtube proves they're good:

Prospect 1

Prospect 2

Prospects 3 and 4

Prospect 5

So what your saying is by proving my point in the short term memory with regards to showing kuyt you can justify it by showing clips of past players, wheres dalglish? wheres rush? wheres toshack? wheres keegan?

What im proving is this. Kuyt can perform for us. He shows movement, he shows he can create chances, hes shown he can take them. Or is it a case of where the cap fits?

WTF?!

Nao compreendo

Ive just realised who you are. Your the one person who will never be banned.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:48 am

Kharhaz wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
Penguins wrote:Once again Bad Bob tells how it is.
it's there for everyone to see every game. It's not just his inability to finish, it's his overall footballing skills that are really poor.

Then it is a different Dirk Kuyt we have been watching.

Dirk Kuyt

Bandwagons stopped all hoppers can jump off now.

Didn't realize we were basing our evaluations on Youtube clips now. In that case, let's sign these lads up--Youtube proves they're good:

Prospect 1

Prospect 2

Prospects 3 and 4

Prospect 5

So what your saying is by proving my point in the short term memory with regards to showing kuyt you can justify it by showing clips of past players, wheres dalglish? wheres rush? wheres toshack? wheres keegan?

What im proving is this. Kuyt can perform for us. He shows movement, he shows he can create chances, hes shown he can take them. Or is it a case of where the cap fits?

WTF?!

Nao compreendo

Ive just realised who you are. Your the one person who will never be banned.

What the fuck are you on about?

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