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by **red37** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:07 pm

Alves is great and all that...

People presume he's the be all and end all of Right backs/wingbacks etc.. (he aint no Right winger though)
but he's made to look even better when you factor in the effective partnership he has with Jesus Navas. And unless we end up with the pair of em..which isnt going to happen. Id like to see that supposed 15+ million spent elsewhere. (before anyone asks, id have Micah Richards) IF we are talking about a cover/relacement for Finnan. Then stick with Pennant - because the lad is making strides now. Not giant ones...but there is deffo improvement in both his game and his attitude. Long may it continue.

On his own Alves would probably stand up well enough in our league. But (as already said) he would seem destined for one of the bigger Spanish teams.

Never say never though....although his stock has gone astronomical since the last 2 seasons exposure; a sum that will no doubt put Rafa off the scent.

by **grayghost** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:33 pm

Even so just getting the defenders mixed up was no reason to call me that And my opinon on Alonso is just that a opinon you agree our you don't
And so wot if i belive Eto may join a lot of reds do.
once again you show how fooking childish you are stu. GROW UP.

by **Stu.Murph** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:11 pm

grayghost wrote:Even so just getting the defenders mixed up was no reason to call me that And my opinon on Alonso is just that a opinon you agree our you don't
And so wot if i belive Eto may join a lot of reds do.
once again you show how fooking childish you are stu. GROW UP.

by **Marianne** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:16 pm

love owen!! would be great if he returned to the Kop!!! Think C.Ronaldo would be a pretty cool signing, but v. unrealistic!

by **GOAT** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:17 pm

grayghost wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
grayghost wrote:This is the team to win us the prem and the rest.

Reina
Finnan agger Carrager Bale

Alves SG Masherano Kewell/Vicente

Tevez
Eto
Should cost us about 50mil

How much of a mong are you?

How about you get your head from out you @rse you t.i.t. To call me a Mong for getting Masherino and SG mixed up is pathetic and childish.

And alonso may go to Spain maybe for Eto

And there is no way Alves will play right back in England it's to phisical for him no he will play on the wing.

To tell me you have a diffrent opinon is fine by all means but to call me a discusting word like Mong is just fooking childish how about you GROW UP.

Mong.

by **Sabre** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:47 pm

Stu.

I'm going to take a Coffee. WHen I come back I'd like to see that mong edited, you can tell him he doesn't know about football if you will, but not insult him.

You can aswell ignore this advice and receive a card.

. It would be fair, as we agreed you'd stick to footie.

See you later.

P.S. Ok, ok there's no need you hide

. I've read my post again and sounds too commanding. Mong is an insult that I don't like, but the real problem is not the level of the taunt, but that from that point the thread drifted to non footie discussion. Take that verbal warning as a reminder of what we must speak here is about football.

Explaining it in the footie language, you've been here longer than I have, you're not 19 anymore, and I'll ask you more commitment and mature behaviour in the team. You must set an example to other players to practice good football, not insults within the game. :P

If the lad is wrong about his footie opinions, then prove him wrong, but don't spoil the thread in a series of long quotes, emoticons, and one-word name calling. Speak your football here, use gen chat for taking the píss. </serious coach voice>

by **KRobbo10** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:14 pm

I think alves would be a great signing, he played on the right wing against tottenham and tore them apart.

by **shineshin** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:30 pm

I would like to suggest berbatov ......
he is definitely my first choice to replace fowler....
he have a good tecnique of heading and his shooting is accurate
and even u can find some surprise from him:blues:
like the match vs wigan and u will understand wat i am saying.....

by **Scottbot** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:10 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:Why do you think we should sell Bellamy?

You then go on to suggest we should blow the budget on two positions, Scott, thats a massive risk mate and not one we're in a position to take just yet. What if we go and blow 35 million on Villa and Vicente for them both to get injured early in the season and miss large chunks of it?

We're left with what we had this season then which we know is nowhere near good enough.

I agree on Villa, but I think we're living in a dream world. The possibility of signings him or Etoo for me is a pipe dream.

As for Gamst Pedersen mate I can't agree at all on that one. I don't think he's quick enough, skillfull enough or intelligent enough to play for a top side. I think he's a good solid player who can score a goal and take a set peice. He works quite hard aswell and is reasonable in the air, but for me is not what I'd expect. No better than Riise for me at all.

Gareth Barry? Been saying it for years mate. Its a case of the clueless idiots in this country. Excellent player alround, can play in a number of positions equally well and is excellent in just about every aspect of his game. Outstanding left and centre mid and left back very competent as a central defender aswell.

He's the only player for Aston Villa who has a clue what to do when Gerrard's anywhere near him. All the others panic and lose the ball or do something stupid, Barry just gets on with it as normal, the fact that for me he always looks at home playing against Steven Gerrard shows how good a player the lad is.

This summer I would say we need to release a few players. Gonzalez, Kuyt, Crouch, Zenden and Dudek. Obviously Fowler's going to leave. I'd possibly look at letting Carson and Bellamy go.

We need a centre half deperately, AT LEAST 2 strikers and a left winger. We must improve this summer as we clearly failed to do last and we have to make up the ground we lost.

Possible strikers, Ashton and Tevez, Defoe maybe? Not sure the names being thrown about are realistic at all.

On the left I couldn't name a winger. Barry's a good player, but no winger, more of a left sided midfield player. I really would struggle. Need someone who can beat a man, score a goal, carry a ball, cross, pass and has pace.

In defence I like Woodgate who'd be available at a good price, has everything. For me would be worth the gamble as he's a massive improvement on Agger and Hyypia. If it doesn't quite work out I'm sure you'd get some other team in for him at the end of the season and recover some money and that would then leave us with Agger and Hyypia as backup who have proven they are both more than useful.

Stu - I didn't say we should sell Bellamy (although i'm far from convinced he's the right fit for Rafa's system) but was simply speculating. With Voronin coming in, Kuyt a firm favourite with the boss and Crouch also receiving a lot of good press from Rafa this past week (not to mention the 18 goals he's scored) it seems likely Bellamy would be on his way IF we went out and signed a big name striker like Villa.

As for blowing the budget on 2/3 players, i don't really see the problem. Yes it's a risk but as you have said yourself, we don't really need to improve the squad. There's plenty of depth with the likes of Crouch, Hyppia, Pennant and Aurelio who may not be first choice but will still see their fair share of action. The problem is the quality of our first eleven and unless Rafa uncovers a few more unpolished gems, i can't see how we're going to improve it without spending big. I know you think we are 4-5 top players away but i see things a little brighter (i've got more confidence in Agger, Crouch and Kuyt) than that and would like to see 2 players (a striker and a left-winger) who can come in and do the job.

Is the idea of signing a David Villa or an E'to a pipe dream? Maybe, but if the money's there then I don't see why it can't happen? Great club, fantastic tradition, best fans in the world, recent success, new stadium on the way, great manager and some very ambitous new owners. what's not to like? the only thing that's been missing in recent years is the money you need to attract the biggest players. I don't know how much money will be made available for players, but the with the figures being bandied around in the press plus some VERY positive comments from Rafa (there were more of these today) and Tom Hicks it looks encouraging.

As for Gamst Pedersen we'll have to disagree. I've liked him for a couple of seasons now plus two of my cousins are season ticket holders at Ewood and they are both a pretty good judge of a player. He's not lighting quick but still has good pace and he (for me) would be a considerable improvement (i don't include a fully fit and flying Kewell) on what we have already. I'm not sure how you have seen enough of him to conclude that he isn't intelligent enough to play for us?

As for left-wingers in general, you're right, there is a dearth of really talented players (well known) out there. I still like Duff but he's barely played more than kewell the past two years. I'm a fan of Frank Ribery who can play either wing but we've not been linked with the player before and he will carry a pretty scary price tag i'd expect.

by Tobin*LFC* » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:41 pm

get perderson! we wouldnt cost alot yet he has a great left foot and can score alot of goals! Rafa get him pleaseeee

by **red37** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:48 pm

that reminds me...

where is Welsh Wizard these days?

there must be something to actually do of a night now in Rhyl i suspect, other than weigh up the pro's and con's of either sitting in with a Fish supper, watching the highlights from the 1979 Eisteddfod..or going and danglin' off the edge of Llanddudno pier, catching Jellyfish i suppose...

Welsh! hurry up and come back and give us all the Gossip :laugh:

by **ivor_the_injun** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:18 pm

I haven't seen him in the position, but am I right in thinking that Arbeloa has played quite a bit at centre-back? If so, and assuming he's at least capable, I'd say CB isn't anywhere near the top of the list of priorities. Woodgate would be great to have, but I see plenty more injuries ahead of him.

Let's not forget that we have Hobbs (and, to a much lesser extent Palletta), who - while not being anywhere near first 11 level - are at least familiar with the position.

by **Sabre** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:26 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:I haven't seen him in the position, but am I right in thinking that Arbeloa has played quite a bit at centre-back? If so, and assuming he's at least capable, I'd say CB isn't anywhere near the top of the list of priorities. Woodgate would be great to have, but I see plenty more injuries ahead of him.

Let's not forget that we have Hobbs (and, to a much lesser extent Palletta), who - while not being anywhere near first 11 level - are at least familiar with the position.

Correct Ivor the Injun. All the 5 years in which he was in Real Madrid B was a centre back. In Deportivo he played as centre back and was proven as a right back.

How does he feel?, I'll translate you this bit in which he was asked how he felt about being a right back

R.: Por lo tanto tú en el eje de la zaga ...¿Te sientes más cómodo ahí o en el lateral?
A.A.: Hombre, llevo mucho tiempo jugando de central y evidentemente pues sí que estaba un poco más cómodo de central, pero en el lateral creo que me he adaptado bastante bien, cosa que no esperaba que ocurriese tan rápido, pero bueno, lo importante es jugar en este equipo, algo que está muy difícil.

So you're in the axis of the back (centre back)... Do you feel more comfortable there, or as a right back?

A.A. Well... it's obvious I've played as a centreback for a long time, and thus I felt more comfortable in that position, but I think I've adapted to the RB position pretty quickly, more quickly than expected, anyway, the most important thing for me is to play in this team (Deportivo), something which is difficult (due to competition).

by **ivor_the_injun** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:39 pm

Cheers Sabre.

So at the moment we have:

LB: Riise, Aurelio, Arbeloa, Carragher
CB: Agger, Carragher, Hyypia, Arbeloa, Hobbs, Palletta, Antwi
RB: Finnan, Arbeloa, Carragher

I know the quality drops off drastically once you get past the first team regulars, but I think the only position we need to look at defensively with any kind of urgency is right back. With another addition there, and if Hyypia stays, I think we're alright for another 12 months.

by **The Bench** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:06 am

I know i've missed loads of posts in this thread, but it's the same old story for me. Give rafa 4 mil or 40 mil and he'll still shop at aldi and find the best prawns in the shop rather than going for tescos finest range and realising you've paid 50% for the packaging with no real substance. In a nutshell, any "superstar" will be got for a good, more realistic price in order to buy potential that no one else sees and mould it into a finest dish. (By the way I don't work at either aldi or tesco!!)

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