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by **shabelle50** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:27 pm

If you wanted another option you would appoint an outsider like Liverpool did with Shankly. Hodgson isn't a Shankly. You could argue though that the game has moved on from then. I'd be happy with someone young and dynamic like Deschamps but not someone like Alan Shearer. Clearly if you were going to do that and given the financial situation allow them time to blood the youth through then whoever buys the club would have to give them at least as long as Rafa had to turn things round. Potentially it could be exciting and if you could combine that with some of the boot room ways with Dalglish in charge of the youth set up then all the better.

by **tubby** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:32 pm

shabelle50 wrote:If you wanted another option you would appoint an outsider like Liverpool did with Shankly. Hodgson isn't a Shankly. You could argue though that the game has moved on from then. I'd be happy with someone young and dynamic like Deschamps but not someone like Alan Shearer. Clearly if you were going to do that and given the financial situation allow them time to blood the youth through then whoever buys the club would have to give them at least as long as Rafa had to turn things round. Potentially it could be exciting and if you could combine that with some of the boot room ways with Dalglish in charge of the youth set up then all the better.

+1

Dechamps is a good shout. The guy has a winning mentality for sure too.

by **sixbuster** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:14 am

bavlondon wrote:
shabelle50 wrote:If you wanted another option you would appoint an outsider like Liverpool did with Shankly. Hodgson isn't a Shankly. You could argue though that the game has moved on from then. I'd be happy with someone young and dynamic like Deschamps but not someone like Alan Shearer. Clearly if you were going to do that and given the financial situation allow them time to blood the youth through then whoever buys the club would have to give them at least as long as Rafa had to turn things round. Potentially it could be exciting and if you could combine that with some of the boot room ways with Dalglish in charge of the youth set up then all the better.

+1

Dechamps is a good shout. The guy has a winning mentality for sure too.

ya must be joking....broughton would line him up for cheatski if he done any good

by **parchpea** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:38 am

Deschamps? Hells teeth no. Cant see him being taken on tbh, surely not. All this fad with former good players from foreign shores, honestly its all branding and fashion, these lads are no better and prob worse than an older guy like Hodgson. Clearly struggling to appoint a its not rocket science drawing up a list and making a call. See how we go :shifty

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:46 am

Who would we normally have a realistic chance of hiring but can't because of the ownership situation? The very best ones are in employment, where else would they be....and would always have been difficult to lure - certainly Wenger (who someone suggested), Mourinho because of the Madrid option, Capello because he's tied to England, Hiddink because he's tied to Turkey, Van Gaal as he is tied to Bayern, Lippi as he has never left Italy....they were always a lot less likely to come here as they either already have top jobs or they don't do England. After that, who is there that's really top drawer who would come here, but who we can't attract? People mention Rijkaard or Van Basten or Michael Laudrup or DesChamps but to me none of these are top drawer and they certainly aren't obviously more suitable than Dalglish or O'Neil, given the brief that is more for less with the overriding objective of getting back into the champions league places. Hodgson is stretching it a bit I think but nevertheless these are the sorts of options we were always likely to be in for...almost, I feel, irrespective of the ownership situation. Added to this, it would take more than just a glance at someone's CV to convince me of their suitability for the job. If David Dein hadn't been a little more open-minded when it came to finding Arsenal a new manager, he might have ended up ruling out "sh!t like Wenger" because what's he ever won? A league title in a p!ss poor French league and the Kawasaki cup? And he looks funny, speaks funny, so he obviously isn't going to cut it in England. No, we can't rely too heavily on managerial records or first impressions. We'll have to look a lot deeper, and specifically to what they've achieved relative to the conditions of the job they were in - with Rijkaard that would mean understanding the challenges involved in moulding Messi, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Xavi, Iniesta and co into a title and Champions League winning team, and how it ties in with the brief that is more for less. With O'Neil it would be to understand how he took Aston Villa from a dismal 16th to 11th and from there to three consecutive six-place finishes and how that may appeal to our own need for consistency in the league. Then there's the subjective (and less subjective) part of asking whether the person is right for the job; Does he have the knowhow, the mental strenth and motivation....above all the wisdom needed to steady the ship that is Liverpool FC. And following on, will the players respond to him and will the fans get behind him? In this respect as outsiders most of us are limited to considering how they come across in the media, on the touchline and so on, except insofar as Kenny who is guaranteed to have the fans behind him and in all likelihood our key players, too.

by **Rush Job** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:26 am

It was always going to be this way, some were stating months ago that if we lost rafa no top draw manager would come anywhere near us with them in charge, only to get abuse and told how they were devaluing the club.
I dont know how anyone can think we are better off now without rafa, atleast while their in charge.

by **tonyeh** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:40 am

Fulham manager Roy Hodgson wants Liverpool appointment before heading to the World Cup
13 Jun 2010 11:44:00

Fulham boss Roy Hodgson is heading to the World Cup this week still unsure if he will be offered the Liverpool manager’s job.

According to The Mail, Hodgson is due to work as a pundit for the BBC in South Africa and has told Anfield's top-brass he wants an answer about his future before he leaves on Wednesday.

Liverpool are not keen on appointing Kenny Dalglish, but with support growing for the Scot, the club are keen to appoint someone else quickly to avoid being pressured into a decision.

Talks between Hodgson and the club are scheduled to take place in the next 48 hours, with Aston Villa manager Martin O’Neill also on the shortlist of candidates to replace Rafael Benitez.

Hodgson’s appointment though could be subject to whether he believes the current financial turmoil surrounding the club will affect his ability to manage.

American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have put the club up for sale with debts of £350 million, and there have been suggestions in recent weeks that the likes of Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres could be sold if the Merseysiders are not on an even keel soon.

Things could get worse for the Reds before they get better, with former boss Benitez looking set to raid his former employers.

The Spaniard is looking to take advantage of their uncertainty to make Javier Mascherano and Dirk Kuyt his first signings as Inter Milan manager.

by **tonyeh** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:41 am

Also, I heard tonight that Kenny has piulled out of the running. Anyone else hear this?

by **Ciggy** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:27 am

Appointing hodgeson, would be the most uninspired, depressing managerial appointment this club has ever made !!!!

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:21 am

I know what you mean CGGY, it doesn't fill me with confidence either. Out of Roy and MON I'd rather have MON, but I do believe we need a manager who is going to get back to basics, get the lads playing in their proper positions, and just let them play.

Rafa over complicated things for me. If we can hold on too Gerrard and Torres (I reckon Mascha is a gonna) then I really believe there is enogh talent to get back into the top 4 next season.

Although Roy and MON may not be in the in-crowd of top european managers, they know how to get the best out of their players...

by **Sean** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:41 am

Hicks & Gillett want a manager who will be obedient and a general yes man. With that in mind its obvious they don't want to appoint Kenny who would has the good of the club at heart and who would have objected to any potential sale of Gerrard and Torres. They'll see Hodgson as their man.

by **Effes** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:03 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Stay where you are Roy !!!

What she said.

I was talking to a lad today and i tend to agree with what he had to say, The longer we leave getting in a new manager the better fot them two, NO MONEY TO FORK OUT, No new players are gonna be signed without a new manager . NO MONEY TO FORK OUT, our top payers dont know who will be there boss and there all out of the country anyway playing for there national sides , So these two and there mates Martin and Christie can run a fecking mock, The Europa qualifying starts for us next month, players names have to be put in to EUFA. The world cup has come at the right time for these four. Players contracts need sorting , . Watch us get a new boss just before we start to play in Europe, Leaving no time for any money to be spent, Not that we have any like ,

Gumph

by **Penguins** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:33 am

Well, I said months ago sacking Rafa wouldbe awful decision for many reasons.

1) The vermin deciding who it will and won't be to suit their agenda.
2) Even if some stubborn ***** don't get it, we are in deep ****, with not a pot to :censored:

in, which will affect a managers willingness to come.
3) This "we are lfc so every world class manager will come" is just so naive as is the thought of removing Benitez would make us challengers again. :no

Which manager wants to come knowing that his hands are tied behind his backs from the beginning and he will have next to no say on transfer budgets and transfer decisions and can't say a bad word of the vermin ever. For me that is just a damn puppet that will take all the abuse from deluded supporters who wanted a league title challenge.

And the owners will as usual get little abuse "as it is the manger's decisions that was the reason" not the fact that there wasn't any investment for a 3rd years running... :no

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:57 am

LFC2007 wrote:Who would we normally have a realistic chance of hiring but can't because of the ownership situation? The very best ones are in employment, where else would they be....and would always have been difficult to lure -

And you have hit the nail on the head . Some of us on here were saying the same thing months ago.
You know as well as i do that we should be able to lure any manager in the world. Weather under contract or not, but as you said .the ownership situation, thats enough to put even spray tan Phil Brown off. And yet loads thought by Rafa going top top class managers would be queing up. Well weres the que. The only one who is knocking at the door to get in is Kenny, And i think myself personaly them two must be sh.itting themselves on wether to appoint him or not, Problem being they know he would have the fans on side, and he would be on side with us fans , to much history for that not to be the case . Would he once appointed side with us against them , it would be a nightmare for them if this happened . it would be hard for them to treat him with any disrepect because they know all hell would break loose . It doest look like there going anywhere soon so if it went ti.ts up with Kenny as our boss , it would cause mayhem if they got rid of him an all,
At the mo them two atre in a win win situation, No money going out to any new manager , no money on tranfers , and anyone who wants to go , no manager to fight to keep them here ,
Therll be an add in the job center soon,

by **SeaofRed** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:51 am

I was against Roy Hodgson, but if he is the man to come in then he'll have my unwavering support from start to finish. If he can get the best out of our key players and inspire players like N'Gog and Lucas to performance more consistently than under Rafa while blooding in some youth (if they are good enough) then he'll have done a good job because our squad should not be finishing seventh in the league, that much I do know.

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