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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:01 pm

Courtesy of The Liverpool Echo

KENNY DALGLISH is desperate to be named as Liverpool's new manager, according to his son Paul.

The former Liverpool Reserves striker has revealed his father's burning ambition to succeed Rafa Benitez in the Anfield hot seat.

And Paul believes the Reds legend, who managed the club between 1985 and 1991, is the ideal man to transform the club's fortunes and provide unity after a dismal campaign.

“I just think that hopefully he does get it because I know how much he wants it,” Paul said.

“To be honest with you it would be an unbelievable story for my dad to be going back.

“Some people say, well what happens if it doesn’t work? He’s been out of the game for 10 years.

“My question is, what if it does work? What person loves Liverpool more than my dad?

“Who would Liverpool fans love to see have success more than my dad? Nothing could make my family more proud. I’d love to see it happen

Paul, who lives in America and is head coach of Tampa Bay Rowdies, believes Dalglish and Reds assistant boss Sammy Lee would be the perfect double act.

“Sammy Lee is a great coach and very passionate about Liverpool,” he added.

“He’s the best man for that job. I don’t think they’d sleep at night until they were successful.”

When Benitez left last week, Liverpool announced that Dalglish, who returned to the club as an ambassador last year, would be assisting managing director Christian Purslow in the search for the Spaniard's successor in the Reds hot seat.

Dalglish has been out of management for over a decade since he parted company with Celtic.

However, the 59-year-old, who achieved legendary status at Anfield during a 14-year stay between 1977 and 1991 as first player then manager, would be a popular selection among the majority of the club’s supporters.

And the highly-respected figure could be crucial in helping to convince key players like Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard to stay at the club after the World Cup this summer.

Fulham boss Roy Hodgson is currently the bookies' favourite for the job but Paul insists Kenny would be a much better bet.

“I think my dad is the best person to do the job, I know he wants the job,” Paul said.

“If you look at my dad’s record, he’s had one bad year as a manager, and that was his second year at Newcastle. And he would admit he made some mistakes.

“Even in that terrible year, Newcastle still made it to the FA Cup final. He’s a born winner. He’s an inspiration to everyone connected to Liverpool Football Club. No one can inspire the whole club in these difficult times like my father.

“As for Roy Hodgson, he’s a very good man and he did a very good job taking Fulham to the UEFA Cup final.

“I’m sure given the opportunity, he would do a tremendous job. But I’m biased. I want my dad.”


Personally I think the reason why Dalglish is being overlooked has nothing to do with his talent as a manager ,I think them two b@stards seriously believe him to be a greater threat given his iconic status amongst Reds fans ,and sadly they have more to gain in a personal respect if they secure the signature of Mr Hodgson who will allow them to syphon even more of the clubs assets off

Its an absolute disgrace that they are turning a deaf ear to the  voice of us fans ,it is we the fans who have the most to lose if the correct signature is not secured   :(
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Postby jacdaniel » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:25 pm

Its an absolute disgrace that they are turning a deaf ear to the  voice of us fans ,it is we the fans who have the most to lose if the correct signature is not secured   


They dont care though, never have.  This is what some are trying to say to the people that wanted Rafa out.

They dont want a manager that the fans want.  They want a manager that can easily become a scapegoat.  (again)
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Postby Fauxy » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:33 pm

jacdaniel wrote:
Its an absolute disgrace that they are turning a deaf ear to the  voice of us fans ,it is we the fans who have the most to lose if the correct signature is not secured   


They dont care though, never have.  This is what some are trying to say to the people that wanted Rafa out.

They dont want a manager that the fans want.  They want a manager that can easily become a scapegoat.  (again)

Sorry mate, thats complete nonsense imo.

As much as I hate them, they arent going to go and sign a manager for Millions of pounds and trust him with their money, just so that they can make him a scapegoat...
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Postby tonyeh » Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:12 pm

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Postby psycllone » Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:14 pm

ok since the rafa thread is closed....i dint know where else to post this but check this out-
[url=http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/06/10/ex-liverpool-fc-manager-rafa-benitez-donates-96-000-to-hillsborough-family-support-group-1
00252-26629531/]http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpo....6629531[/url]
all i can say is..wow! wat a humble gent...a true legend...reading this made me cry! i cant believe we paid 6m to get rid of him :(
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Postby tonyeh » Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:15 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:We'll have to disagree on that. I think both have had more than enough opportunities and have reacted like my 2 year old...tantrums, stomping, whingeing....feck off, I say

Is that what you say to your 2 year old son?

Either way, I'd offload Babel as soon as. But, I'd keep Riera (assuming another left winger isn't bought). At the moment Riera is our ONLY real winger in the squad.

No actually - I put him on the bold step until he behaves. And he generally does. Then he goes back to doing what he's supposed to do - perform the duties expected of him (as a 2 year old, that is - burp, belch, fart, shyte...you get the idea...but he learns his lesson)
The point is, these lads are two of the greatest underachievers to ever desecrate a LFC jersey. Acting like spoiled brats, despite the thousands they get paid every week. And they haven't done the business.
And no, I don't rate Riera as highly as you. Nearly every game I've watched him play, 90% of the time he makes the wrong decision to shoot or pass, or whatever it may be, when there are better options open to him....just not good enough...

What we need is a load of "bold steps" in LFC. As for spoiled underachievers at Anfield, I can think of a few who were much worse than Riera (and Babel FTM), El Hadj Douf being one. A rotten little shite.

I think, on the whole, Riera did well for us. He certainly opened up our attacking options on the left flank. That's for sure. He is by no means perfect, but before he joined everything was straight down the centre. We were so simple to defend against.
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Postby redtrader74 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:14 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Reg wrote:Just making a note in my dairy.... June 9th was a Kenny 'NO' day, June 10th is a Kenny 'YES' day. November 11th will be a Kenny 'OUT' day.....

Kenny is too great an ambassador to risk over 9 months of mediocre results. The fans frustrations over the owners would inevitably put pressure on Kenny and before long the calls for his head would start.

Better to get Woy in, let him be the butt of the fans frustration, fire him after year then bring in the next long term manager under new owners.

Job done, close the thread.

I think you give the fans too little credit.  I say this recognizing that you were not at all in favour of Rafa going and that you were highly frustrated with the so-called antis who lobbied for a change and have done for some time.  But, in fairness, Rafa had 6 years on the job and he was widely supported during the vast majority of the time--even now there's a lot of people that would still wish him to be manager.  So, I must say that I'm not convinced that a significant section of the support would turn on Kenny within 4 months of taking the job, even if we struggled (which I don't think we'll do to the degree that you may be implying).  I expect that Kenny will be given a lot of time to bed into the role and build the team his way if he takes the job.  IMO, this whole argument that we can't have Kenny manage because his reputation will be tarnished by fickle fans is a red herring.

There was a few emotive reasons why many, including myself, still wanted Rafa to have another season, he got the club, he knew what it means to most of us, and it gave us faith that he might just crack it.

This is where I disagree with Reg, I doubt anyone of the front runners would be given the time by the majority of supporters as I don't see them either getting immediate success or connecting with the club. Therefore Kenny has to be obvious choice because he should have unanimous support, and will be given time. He is also a far better manager than MON, sven etc, and from what his son has said, is ready to take it on.
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:39 pm

Hodgson Reds talk quelled
Liverpool, 09:48, June 11, 2010

Roy Hodgson is not about to join Liverpool and sources suggest he has not even been in contact about the vacant managerial post.

A report in the Fulham Chronicle says the Cottagers boss has no plans to leave Craven Cottage to replace the now Inter Milan manager Rafa Benitez.

A source close to the 62-year-old dismissed speculation linking him to Liverpool, saying: "No one from Liverpool, or connected with them has spoken to Roy - and he is mystified by all the conjecture over the last few days."

Hodgson is believed to be working on further additions to his Uefa Europa League finalist-squad and is in the running to sign Standard Liege striker Dieumerci Mbokani, who has been the subject of an £7.5m offer from Roma.



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Postby shabelle50 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:25 pm

I woudn't expect the Fulham Chronicle to print much else. Things change in football - I can't imagine he'll seriously turn it down once Purslow makes an approach. If it doesn't happen though I can seriously now see Sammy Lee being given the reigns for next season until the club is sold. There clearly isn't a successor available who the club are prepared to appoint at the moment. They won't want Kenny - none of the other candidates are available. If DIC were to buy Liverpool tomorrow though that would all change.
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Postby Rush Job » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:09 am

Fauxy wrote:As much as I hate them, they arent going to go and sign a manager for Millions of pounds and trust him with their money,

Their money?
They have never and will never put any money into the club, its all borrowed that we have to pay back plus the interest.
They wont be paying the manager millions either IF their gone within the year.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:51 am

Broughton responds to criticism of Rafa’s departure
Posted on June 11th, 2010 by Jim Boardman

The Chairman and the Managing DirectorThe following email has been sitting in the Anfield Road inbox for a day-and-a-half now. As the hours have ticked by the sense of bemusement at what it contains has grown.

In the wake of the board’s decision last week to get rid of manager Rafael Benítez whilst retaining the services of the (temporary) managing director Christian Purslow, it was felt necessary to vent some anger at the man whose name was on the announcement. That man being the new Chairman, Martin Broughton.

The email pointed out that if Rafa Benítez had been considered a failure, surely Christian Purslow was one too? Wasn’t his main task, the main point he was hired, to find some new investment for the club? People who’ve spoken to him will recall how Purslow bigged himself up as some kind of saviour from the owners and their own failings.

Yet Purslow is known to have completely ignored a genuine, firm, proposal to finance the new stadium. Maybe there’s a good reason why the kind of person with access to funding for a £300m stadium isn’t even worth meeting up with when urgently looking for £100m investment in the club.

If the email had been sent a day or two later it may not have been written with quite the same tone. The anger was at Christian Purslow still being in his job as much as the departure of Benítez. The email was sent with thoughts about leaks from “senior sources” fresh in the mind. The email was sent because there would have been enough evidence of those leaks and that failure for Broughton to act and to end that temporary appointment.

He had the power, yet the line coming from the club was that he was only there to sell the club. The senior source was very insistent that his new boss wasn’t really his boss, just there to sell the club.

And that begged the question – was the chairman just there to sell the club, or did he have the power to do far more? He certainly seemed to be involved in the removal of Benítez, so why was Purslow still there?

The subject of the note captured the emotions of the moment: “Thank you for killing my club”.

And the note called, in no uncertain terms, for Broughton to resign and to take Purslow with him.

No reply was expected.

There was no obligation for the Chairman to reply, but to give him his due he did reply. It took him a week, but he’s said to only work one day per week for the club so that’s not an unreasonable timeframe.

He completely ignored the criticism of Purslow, perhaps because he couldn’t find a way to defend that criticism. But he wanted to defend his involvement in the removal of the manager, explaining that although his “principle remit” was to find those new owners, he was still Chairman.

So that justified his involvement and closed any doubt as to how much of a part he can play in the running of the club. If it’s important enough, he can get involved. If it’s a board matter, he’s the Chairman; it’s his job to lead the board.

But when it came to justifying the decision to let the manager go his justification was a bigger surprise than actually getting a reply.

The expectation might have been for him to list the number of games lost, the points dropped or league positions moved downwards. Maybe a mention of large parts of the squad being unhappy with the manager (which it now turns out is not as likely to have been the case as some previously claimed) or even a vague mention of how all parties involved had discussed the situation and reluctantly decided it would be better for all concerned to part company.

But no, it was none of those reasons.

He wrote: “I’m sorry you think like that but you are entitled to your opinion. I note your opinion doesn’t seem to be shared by the media.”

Pardon?

So forget results, performances, transfer spend or (in this club’s case) transfer profit. Forget team spirit, supporter feelings and ticket sales. None of that is as important as checking those back pages.

Does that include the stories including the obvious briefings against the manager from “senior figures inside the boardroom”?

Is this how Liverpool Football Club now hires and fires its managers? It checks the media for their view?

It analyses the views of all those ex-players, many of them paid to be outspoken or asked leading questions to get them to answer a certain way?

Does it exclude the articles by writers who support this club and have always known how it works? Not the ones with axes to grind or revenge to be served, the good ones. Does it include the articles by those journalists who had clearly been briefed by “senior sources” against the manager?

There’s not a great deal to add to that really.

Except for this: Listen to those ex-players now. Some of them agree with you that Rafa had to go. Some of them don’t. But they all want you to choose Kenny Dalglish as the next manager. Very few of them can see a reason to put Roy Hodgson or Martin O’Neill above the man who really does know how this club works.

The one man, as it happens, who might just help you to sell this club – assuming you want to sell it.

The only man who can really bring unity back to the supporters. The only candidate to have won the league. The man who has a lot of unfinished business to get on with.

The man who knows how to deal with the media. Ask Kelvin McKenzie about that one. Actually don’t, because nobody from this club should speak to Kelvin McKenzie, and he knows this. Kenny told him.

You’re better with Kenny on your side than against you.

He might even teach you how to make better use of the media.

The email from Martin Broughton, email addresses removed for obvious reasons.

From:
Date: 10 June 2010 12:40
Subject: Re: Thank you for killing my club
To: Jim Boardman < >

Jim,

I’m sorry you think like that but you are entitled to your opinion.

I note your opinion doesn’t seem to be shared by the media.

You may also recall that I am Chairman with the principle remit of finding a new and suitable owner for the club. I am nevertheless Chairman and I’m surprised you don’t seem to think that releasing the manager from his contract is a Board matter.

Martin Broughton

The media,the :censored: media.We now make our decisions on how to run this club according to the media.Shocking...
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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:00 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Broughton responds to criticism of Rafa’s departure
Posted on June 11th, 2010 by Jim Boardman

The Chairman and the Managing DirectorThe following email has been sitting in the Anfield Road inbox for a day-and-a-half now. As the hours have ticked by the sense of bemusement at what it contains has grown.

In the wake of the board’s decision last week to get rid of manager Rafael Benítez whilst retaining the services of the (temporary) managing director Christian Purslow, it was felt necessary to vent some anger at the man whose name was on the announcement. That man being the new Chairman, Martin Broughton.

The email pointed out that if Rafa Benítez had been considered a failure, surely Christian Purslow was one too? Wasn’t his main task, the main point he was hired, to find some new investment for the club? People who’ve spoken to him will recall how Purslow bigged himself up as some kind of saviour from the owners and their own failings.

Yet Purslow is known to have completely ignored a genuine, firm, proposal to finance the new stadium. Maybe there’s a good reason why the kind of person with access to funding for a £300m stadium isn’t even worth meeting up with when urgently looking for £100m investment in the club.

If the email had been sent a day or two later it may not have been written with quite the same tone. The anger was at Christian Purslow still being in his job as much as the departure of Benítez. The email was sent with thoughts about leaks from “senior sources” fresh in the mind. The email was sent because there would have been enough evidence of those leaks and that failure for Broughton to act and to end that temporary appointment.

He had the power, yet the line coming from the club was that he was only there to sell the club. The senior source was very insistent that his new boss wasn’t really his boss, just there to sell the club.

And that begged the question – was the chairman just there to sell the club, or did he have the power to do far more? He certainly seemed to be involved in the removal of Benítez, so why was Purslow still there?

The subject of the note captured the emotions of the moment: “Thank you for killing my club”.

And the note called, in no uncertain terms, for Broughton to resign and to take Purslow with him.

No reply was expected.

There was no obligation for the Chairman to reply, but to give him his due he did reply. It took him a week, but he’s said to only work one day per week for the club so that’s not an unreasonable timeframe.

He completely ignored the criticism of Purslow, perhaps because he couldn’t find a way to defend that criticism. But he wanted to defend his involvement in the removal of the manager, explaining that although his “principle remit” was to find those new owners, he was still Chairman.

So that justified his involvement and closed any doubt as to how much of a part he can play in the running of the club. If it’s important enough, he can get involved. If it’s a board matter, he’s the Chairman; it’s his job to lead the board.

But when it came to justifying the decision to let the manager go his justification was a bigger surprise than actually getting a reply.

The expectation might have been for him to list the number of games lost, the points dropped or league positions moved downwards. Maybe a mention of large parts of the squad being unhappy with the manager (which it now turns out is not as likely to have been the case as some previously claimed) or even a vague mention of how all parties involved had discussed the situation and reluctantly decided it would be better for all concerned to part company.

But no, it was none of those reasons.

He wrote: “I’m sorry you think like that but you are entitled to your opinion. I note your opinion doesn’t seem to be shared by the media.”

Pardon?

So forget results, performances, transfer spend or (in this club’s case) transfer profit. Forget team spirit, supporter feelings and ticket sales. None of that is as important as checking those back pages.

Does that include the stories including the obvious briefings against the manager from “senior figures inside the boardroom”?

Is this how Liverpool Football Club now hires and fires its managers? It checks the media for their view?

It analyses the views of all those ex-players, many of them paid to be outspoken or asked leading questions to get them to answer a certain way?

Does it exclude the articles by writers who support this club and have always known how it works? Not the ones with axes to grind or revenge to be served, the good ones. Does it include the articles by those journalists who had clearly been briefed by “senior sources” against the manager?

There’s not a great deal to add to that really.

Except for this: Listen to those ex-players now. Some of them agree with you that Rafa had to go. Some of them don’t. But they all want you to choose Kenny Dalglish as the next manager. Very few of them can see a reason to put Roy Hodgson or Martin O’Neill above the man who really does know how this club works.

The one man, as it happens, who might just help you to sell this club – assuming you want to sell it.

The only man who can really bring unity back to the supporters. The only candidate to have won the league. The man who has a lot of unfinished business to get on with.

The man who knows how to deal with the media. Ask Kelvin McKenzie about that one. Actually don’t, because nobody from this club should speak to Kelvin McKenzie, and he knows this. Kenny told him.

You’re better with Kenny on your side than against you.

He might even teach you how to make better use of the media.

The email from Martin Broughton, email addresses removed for obvious reasons.

From:
Date: 10 June 2010 12:40
Subject: Re: Thank you for killing my club
To: Jim Boardman < >

Jim,

I’m sorry you think like that but you are entitled to your opinion.

I note your opinion doesn’t seem to be shared by the media.

You may also recall that I am Chairman with the principle remit of finding a new and suitable owner for the club. I am nevertheless Chairman and I’m surprised you don’t seem to think that releasing the manager from his contract is a Board matter.

Martin Broughton

The media,the :censored: media.We now make our decisions on how to run this club according to the media.Shocking...

Is this how Liverpool Football Club now hires and fires its managers? It checks the media for their view?


But isnt this the main source of the SOS? We are all miffed how uniteds problems get highlighted on the news, football focus and match of the day but our club is never mentioned.

The media play a big part, look at previous england managers, and how they are no longer in charge because of the media.

Indeed look at many MANY quotes from the pro rafa brigade, taken from the media, as to how rafa was a great asset to the club.

I laugh at how you all take the mickey out of Lakes with his rumours but if any one of you find a media piece to back up your belief its straight on here, taken as gospel.

Give and take. Thats the rule.

Out of interest, where that piece come from Igor?
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Postby Keris » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:12 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Broughton responds to criticism of Rafa’s departure
Posted on June 11th, 2010 by Jim Boardman

From:
Date: 10 June 2010 12:40
Subject: Re: Thank you for killing my club
To: Jim Boardman < >

Jim,

I’m sorry you think like that but you are entitled to your opinion.

I note your opinion doesn’t seem to be shared by the media.

You may also recall that I am Chairman with the principle remit of finding a new and suitable owner for the club. I am nevertheless Chairman and I’m surprised you don’t seem to think that releasing the manager from his contract is a Board matter.

Martin Broughton

Surprised he took the time to reply the email, considering what an *** he can be.
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Postby maguskwt » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:30 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Courtesy of The Liverpool Echo

KENNY DALGLISH is desperate to be named as Liverpool's new manager, according to his son Paul.

The former Liverpool Reserves striker has revealed his father's burning ambition to succeed Rafa Benitez in the Anfield hot seat.

And Paul believes the Reds legend, who managed the club between 1985 and 1991, is the ideal man to transform the club's fortunes and provide unity after a dismal campaign.

“I just think that hopefully he does get it because I know how much he wants it,” Paul said.

“To be honest with you it would be an unbelievable story for my dad to be going back.

“Some people say, well what happens if it doesn’t work? He’s been out of the game for 10 years.

“My question is, what if it does work? What person loves Liverpool more than my dad?

“Who would Liverpool fans love to see have success more than my dad? Nothing could make my family more proud. I’d love to see it happen

Paul, who lives in America and is head coach of Tampa Bay Rowdies, believes Dalglish and Reds assistant boss Sammy Lee would be the perfect double act.

“Sammy Lee is a great coach and very passionate about Liverpool,” he added.

“He’s the best man for that job. I don’t think they’d sleep at night until they were successful.”

When Benitez left last week, Liverpool announced that Dalglish, who returned to the club as an ambassador last year, would be assisting managing director Christian Purslow in the search for the Spaniard's successor in the Reds hot seat.

Dalglish has been out of management for over a decade since he parted company with Celtic.

However, the 59-year-old, who achieved legendary status at Anfield during a 14-year stay between 1977 and 1991 as first player then manager, would be a popular selection among the majority of the club’s supporters.

And the highly-respected figure could be crucial in helping to convince key players like Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard to stay at the club after the World Cup this summer.

Fulham boss Roy Hodgson is currently the bookies' favourite for the job but Paul insists Kenny would be a much better bet.

“I think my dad is the best person to do the job, I know he wants the job,” Paul said.

“If you look at my dad’s record, he’s had one bad year as a manager, and that was his second year at Newcastle. And he would admit he made some mistakes.

“Even in that terrible year, Newcastle still made it to the FA Cup final. He’s a born winner. He’s an inspiration to everyone connected to Liverpool Football Club. No one can inspire the whole club in these difficult times like my father.

“As for Roy Hodgson, he’s a very good man and he did a very good job taking Fulham to the UEFA Cup final.

“I’m sure given the opportunity, he would do a tremendous job. But I’m biased. I want my dad.”


Personally I think the reason why Dalglish is being overlooked has nothing to do with his talent as a manager ,I think them two b@stards seriously believe him to be a greater threat given his iconic status amongst Reds fans ,and sadly they have more to gain in a personal respect if they secure the signature of Mr Hodgson who will allow them to syphon even more of the clubs assets off

Its an absolute disgrace that they are turning a deaf ear to the  voice of us fans ,it is we the fans who have the most to lose if the correct signature is not secured   :(

FFS give the man the job! I think that the reason Kenny wants the Job is because he knows the club is disintegrating from thr inside. If the likes of Roy and o'neil are appointed, we can't be sure we can keep players like gerrard and torres. There's just no ambition in the way th club's owners/board is working right now. And THAT is what Torres meant by 'the club's attitude' and not whether rafa stays or goes like some on here  twisted it out to be. Kenny 'declared' himself available probably not so much because he wants to return to management than because he realizes he is the only one who can steady this sinking ship and keep the club from going down the drain...

And yes we all know why the owners will be against this... They know that with Kenny, he poses an even more threat than rafa because not all fans were behind rafa. With Kenny all the fans will be behind him.
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Postby Scottbot » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:45 am

It's a shame we're not still in the season in some ways because at least the Anfield crowd could make their feelings known loud and clear about who they want in the hotseat.

The thought of singing fields of Anfield Roard at full pelt with Kenny actually managing the team would be amazing! "AND COULD HE PLAY!!!!!!!" :bowdown
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