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LFC2007 wrote:The problem is that we had club turmoil in 2008-2009 but still managed put in our best ever Premier League performance. If the players and manager were "severely affected" by T&T's ownership then how is that accounted for in 2008-2009?

Thinkpad wrote:Liverpool displayed the same dross dished out by You Know Who's team when he was here.
We can't beat or struggled to beat "lesser" teams. Some of us here seems to suffer from selective amnesia.
It is not just a Roy's problem, the way I see it all the players from the previous regime has this uncanny habit of not getting into physical challenge.
We play the dreaded "plague" one touch passing with static players for most of the match.
The training of the players in the past 3-5 years has been so successfully ingrained in the players.
They have been trained to play like this since they were signed by you know who.
I guess that's why Roy's cam out and said that he don't think the team is good enough.
You can bring the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.
Guess it will either take a long time to undo all the damage, hence it may just be better to start from scratch.

The way I see it, it is these few things that really pulling us down.
1) Playing "plague" ball, or panic ball where you just pass the ball immediately upon contact with it. Or pass it away upon receive because an opponent is within 5 metres.
2) Players do not make runs instead just stay static so that the one touch football style will have the ball coming at you.
3) Pass it behind the players so they can stop running, turn back and remain static during attack.
4) Unable to dribble as the coaching staff don't think it is necessary for one touch football.
5) Head aerial balls to anywhere instead of directing them to your team mates.
6) Head the ball forward even though you have enough time and room to control the ball with your feet as it may cause a physical challenge.
7) Do not know the Defense of physical challenge - The Dutch should be good at this.
8) Do not know the art of getting fouled and getting the free kick - We need an Italian or this - Argentinians are just as capable.
If we can do just this 8 items listed, even with the same players we should be doing well.

bigmick wrote:My opinion on the manager remains as it has for some time now. I think he ought to be replaced in the interests of reunification. Infact I'll go even further, we reallyt ought to replace Roy before the end of the season simply because if/when he finishes higher than 7th, the disputes will get even worse. Hopefully the owners and whoever is advising them have already sounded out the new manager, and hopefully he can give them a name or two for January (and I think by then Dalglish will be in charge).

Interesting. So unification of the fans aside not only do you think Roy is still doing a good job both on and off the pitch but you still believe he will finish better than last season?

What are you smoking mate!?

bavlondon wrote:

bigmick wrote:My opinion on the manager remains as it has for some time now. I think he ought to be replaced in the interests of reunification. Infact I'll go even further, we reallyt ought to replace Roy before the end of the season simply because if/when he finishes higher than 7th, the disputes will get even worse. Hopefully the owners and whoever is advising them have already sounded out the new manager, and hopefully he can give them a name or two for January (and I think by then Dalglish will be in charge).

Interesting. So unification of the fans aside not only do you think Roy is still doing a good job both on and off the pitch but you still believe he will finish better than last season?

What are you smoking mate!?

Thommo's perm wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

bigmick wrote:My opinion on the manager remains as it has for some time now. I think he ought to be replaced in the interests of reunification. Infact I'll go even further, we reallyt ought to replace Roy before the end of the season simply because if/when he finishes higher than 7th, the disputes will get even worse. Hopefully the owners and whoever is advising them have already sounded out the new manager, and hopefully he can give them a name or two for January (and I think by then Dalglish will be in charge).

Interesting. So unification of the fans aside not only do you think Roy is still doing a good job both on and off the pitch but you still believe he will finish better than last season?

What are you smoking mate!?

This is the major problem for me. I WANT us to finish in the top four. But I EXPECT us to end up mid-table.
Peoples expectations are too high which is the main reason for the split.

Sabre wrote:Redbeergoggle: I reckon Hodgson's results are not good enough, nobody likes to see Liverpool below the top four. I just don't like disrespecting managers.

I don't think Benitez or Hodgson are dodgy managers, I don't believe in that concept when we are talking about lenghty professionals that have been in football so many years.

That is, no proble with the position of wanting him out, but I don't like insulting their professionality. I'm always anti sacking the manager too early, because if you become a club like that, it's difficult to stop.

I think that the new owners must put money in the first squad, and if that brings a new manager, let it be so, but let's not hurry to sáck Hodgson and let's choose carefully the next manager. This is going to be a transitional season no matter when we sack the manager.

Thinkpad wrote:Liverpool displayed the same dross dished out by You Know Who's team when he was here.
We can't beat or struggled to beat "lesser" teams. Some of us here seems to suffer from selective amnesia.
It is not just a Roy's problem, the way I see it all the players from the previous regime has this uncanny habit of not getting into physical challenge.
We play the dreaded "plague" one touch passing with static players for most of the match.
The training of the players in the past 3-5 years has been so successfully ingrained in the players.
They have been trained to play like this since they were signed by you know who.
I guess that's why Roy's cam out and said that he don't think the team is good enough.
You can bring the horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.
Guess it will either take a long time to undo all the damage, hence it may just be better to start from scratch.

The way I see it, it is these few things that really pulling us down.
1) Playing "plague" ball, or panic ball where you just pass the ball immediately upon contact with it. Or pass it away upon receive because an opponent is within 5 metres.
2) Players do not make runs instead just stay static so that the one touch football style will have the ball coming at you.
3) Pass it behind the players so they can stop running, turn back and remain static during attack.
4) Unable to dribble as the coaching staff don't think it is necessary for one touch football.
5) Head aerial balls to anywhere instead of directing them to your team mates.
6) Head the ball forward even though you have enough time and room to control the ball with your feet as it may cause a physical challenge.
7) Do not know the Defense of physical challenge - The Dutch should be good at this.
8) Do not know the art of getting fouled and getting the free kick - We need an Italian or this - Argentinians are just as capable.
If we can do just this 8 items listed, even with the same players we should be doing well.

bavlondon wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

bigmick wrote:My opinion on the manager remains as it has for some time now. I think he ought to be replaced in the interests of reunification. Infact I'll go even further, we reallyt ought to replace Roy before the end of the season simply because if/when he finishes higher than 7th, the disputes will get even worse. Hopefully the owners and whoever is advising them have already sounded out the new manager, and hopefully he can give them a name or two for January (and I think by then Dalglish will be in charge).

Interesting. So unification of the fans aside not only do you think Roy is still doing a good job both on and off the pitch but you still believe he will finish better than last season?

What are you smoking mate!?

This is the major problem for me. I WANT us to finish in the top four. But I EXPECT us to end up mid-table.
Peoples expectations are too high which is the main reason for the split.

I want to see us back in the CL too mate, but our squad is lacking the depth to sustain a season of CL football as well as mantaining a high finish in the league, depth and quality. The next transfer window cannot come soon enough.

3 or 4 decent players ought to do it. A backup striker for Torres, maybe a new LB (or ideally someone who can play either side), a CB and someone creative who can play across the middle.

Sabre wrote:If you don't go with the attitude of a massive club, the oppo loses the respect, makes an aggressive game, the ref doesn't respect you any more because you're not on top three and he's a half manc, and they overrun you.

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:

Sabre wrote:If you don't go with the attitude of a massive club, the oppo loses the respect, makes an aggressive game, the ref doesn't respect you any more because you're not on top three and he's a half manc, and they overrun you.

That's it in a nutshell mate ... that's sums up our displays away from home in simple terms ....spot on Lad

dawson99 wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:

Sabre wrote:If you don't go with the attitude of a massive club, the oppo loses the respect, makes an aggressive game, the ref doesn't respect you any more because you're not on top three and he's a half manc, and they overrun you.

That's it in a nutshell mate ... that's sums up our displays away from home in simple terms ....spot on Lad

couldnt agree more!!!

dawson99 wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:

Sabre wrote:If you don't go with the attitude of a massive club, the oppo loses the respect, makes an aggressive game, the ref doesn't respect you any more because you're not on top three and he's a half manc, and they overrun you.

That's it in a nutshell mate ... that's sums up our displays away from home in simple terms ....spot on Lad

couldnt agree more!!!

Benny The Noon wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:

Lee J wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Off to watch the X-factor have fun kids 

I may have taken 4 month longer than you to come to the conclusion Roy must leave but at least I was behind him hoping he'd give it a shot. you wrote him off from the day he was rumoured.

what an utter disgrace of a fan you are, go watch X factor you

well said Lee

Come on fella atleast quote the whole post and dont leave the insults out, cause our manager is not up to the job just lash out at me thats a good lad  ,

btw have you ever been to a Liverpool match?

Nah don't be silly - he is an Internet forum fan

  so now i have to attend a Liverpool match to be a fan? unfortunately for you, the answer is yes. twice.

btw, you're born in Merseyside? which part? cause you sound and behave like a bitter    and with your lapdog GYBS around, no wonder the forum is going down the drain - cause of people like you 2.