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[maguskwt]

So what about Seven Goran Eirksson... he did pretty well in his club managments... and besides we can be sure that he won't rotate because he doesn't change his lineup at all... simple and direct football is what we want ain't it...

I know you said that to be sarcastic but that is exactly what we have been getting this season.

Yeah... I wonder why is that this season mate?

Is it proably because we've got not enough financial backing by the owners to build a strong squad? Owners who are skint and who has put 200 million debt on the club? In reality, Rafa's been selling players to buy since winter of 2008. This season is the culmination of the owner's transfer policy which was made worse by the lost of Alonso and also the injuries. The fact is that we didn't have a good enough squad to challenge for the title in 2007-2008. How will that change if we have spent 0 million net since winter of 2008? If you're asked to sell to buy, you start taking risks. You look for bargain basement offers in hope that they turn out good. I'm not saying Rafa is not liable. But he had to work within constraints. And he did. Last year's performance was a progress despite of the financial constraints. Whether we like it or not, this is not the kind of financial backing that a club challenging for the title should have. And we are founc out this season. Just look at this...

Since winter of 2008 we have sold these players:

Sissoko 8.2
Peter Crouch 11
Scott Carson 4
Riise 4
Danny Guthrie 2.25
Alonso 30
Robbie Keane 15
Arbeloa 3.5
Dossena 3.8
Voronin 2
Mihaylov 1.5

Total 85.25 millions


Since winter of 2008 we have bought:

Skrtel 6.5
Keane 19
Riera 8
Dossena 7
Ngog 1.5
Cavalieri 4
Aquilani 20
Johnson 17.5
Greek 1.5

Total 85 Millions

So, Benitez has been wasting millions eh? Even if we don't consider the sales of Dossena, Voronin and Mihaylov, Rafa has spent 7 million net since winter of 2008.

[dawson99]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

[maguskwt]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

[bigmick]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

But we've spent more over Rafa's six seasons in charge than Man Utd, so how does that stack up? Feck me, how many times do we have to trot out the figures before people drop it and look for an alternative excuse?

[maguskwt]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

But we've spent more over Rafa's six seasons in charge than Man Utd, so how does that stack up? Feck me, how many times do we have to trot out the figures before people drop it and look for an alternative excuse?

Were we the champions 6 years ago? so how much did the mancs spend for the past 6 years? If you can refer me to the figures that'll be great...

[dawson99]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

what you mean, stupid fans?

We have had loads to spend and buy, and the team dont gel, the football is awful, no one looks bothered, not even the manager...
what we're enduring at the moment is:

bad football
blind fans
bad attitude
bad management
bad ownership

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

blind fans, whys that because they dont agree with you, get over yourself.

[Sir Roger]

Has Rafa ever had a 'best' team and how many times has he used it?

[bigmick]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

But we've spent more over Rafa's six seasons in charge than Man Utd, so how does that stack up? Feck me, how many times do we have to trot out the figures before people drop it and look for an alternative excuse?

Were we the champions 6 years ago?

No we weren't. Then again, neither were the Mancs either, they came third, a mile behind Arsenal's invincible team and Ranieri's Chelsea. This idea that they were already all-conquering is like much of the Rafapologist stuff, utter nonsense and a total urban myth.

[dawson99]

blind fans, whys that because they dont agree with you, get over yourself.

ok sorry, the tactics, the players not wanting to play, the players out of position, the lack of commitment, its all the owners fault...

nice one Stevie, you are the sunshine of my life

[maguskwt]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

But we've spent more over Rafa's six seasons in charge than Man Utd, so how does that stack up? Feck me, how many times do we have to trot out the figures before people drop it and look for an alternative excuse?

Were we the champions 6 years ago?

No we weren't. Then again, neither were the Mancs either, they came third, a mile behind Arsenal's invincible team and Ranieri's Chelsea. This idea that they were already all-conquering is like much of the Rafapologist stuff, utter nonsense and a total urban myth.

ok... so where are the figures?

[dawson99]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

But we've spent more over Rafa's six seasons in charge than Man Utd, so how does that stack up? Feck me, how many times do we have to trot out the figures before people drop it and look for an alternative excuse?

Were we the champions 6 years ago?

No we weren't. Then again, neither were the Mancs either, they came third, a mile behind Arsenal's invincible team and Ranieri's Chelsea. This idea that they were already all-conquering is like much of the Rafapologist stuff, utter nonsense and a total urban myth.

ok... so where are the figures?

Why do you need figures? Just open your eyes, watch amatch and see how we are progressing!!!

[bigmick]

Back onto how good the mancs were when Rafa first arrived, not only weren't they Champions in the year before he arrived (they came third), they weren't Champions in Rafa's first season either. They weren't Champions in Rafa's second season either come to that, Mourinho's Chelsea p!ssed it on both occasions, the Mancs were miles behind. I think we even finished ahead of them by a point (or behind them by a point) in Rafa's second season. Since then, we've spent more money than them, they've won the title three times and the European Cup, while we've won feck all. It's all the owners though of course, and we are being brilliantly managed.

This season, they've won one trophy already, are in with a great shout of winning the league for the fourth time on the bounce, and are in the last 8 of the Champions League. We're battling for fourth and are in the Euro fair play cup thing. Then people say we've progressed  , I swear you couldn't make it up.

[Kerry07]

ok, Rafa wasnt wasting money, just wasting our time with a massive turnover of players who dont get time to gel

What're you gonna do if people like Alonso and Crouch wants to leave? You're gonna say that it's poor man management... but then again do we know exactly that this was the reason they wanted to leave? Was it poor man management by Ferguson when he sold David Beckham, Stam, Roy Keane and Ruud van Nistelrooy... I wonder how Ferguson rebuilt that 1999 squad? Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Vidic, Carrick... how many millions is that... and was it ever sell to buy? It's a disgrace really what LFC as a club has to endure...

The only one Ferguson got wrong in selling was Stam (which he admitted) after the comments in Stams book.. the others were finished and did nothing when they left. Beckham PLC left and in came a true world class player Rooney, Van Nistelrooy left and in came a playmaking striker Tevez (3 titles on the trot), an old Roy keane left and a hungry, energetic  Fletcher took over.

Whiskey nose gets rid at the perfect time when they are past it.. and replaces them with improvements. Liverpool used to do this.. and was the secret to over 20 years unbroken dominance.

Rafa has been disastrous...gets rid/alienates quality players, and replaces them with inferior. His treatment of Alonso was galling... and Xabi has stated that the events of 2008 changed the course of his future and one away from Anfield, leaving us with lucas, arguably the worst, least productive midfielder since Paul Stewart. Riise is a superior left back than anyone we've had since, one who didnt get skinned in a weekly basis ala NOW. Bellamy, Crouch... both in a different stratosphere to kuyt as regards talent.


There is no sustained improvement under Rafa due to his lesser coaching abilities... ordinarily he'd be sacked but is very fortunate that the dire ownership situation has taken center stage. Hes a problem, but the owners are an even bigger problem.. getting rid of both is ideal with the owners first.

[maguskwt]

Back onto how good the mancs were when Rafa first arrived, not only weren't they Champions in the year before he arrived (they came third), they weren't Champions in Rafa's first season either. They weren't Champions in Rafa's second season either come to that, Mourinho's Chelsea p!ssed it on both occasions, the Mancs were miles behind. I think we even finished ahead of them by a point (or behind them by a point) in Rafa's second season. Since then, we've spent more money than them, they've won the title three times and the European Cup, while we've won feck all. It's all the owners though of course, and we are being brilliantly managed.

This season, they've won one trophy already, are in with a great shout of winning the league for the fourth time on the bounce, and are in the last 8 of the Champions League. We're battling for fourth and are in the Euro fair play cup thing. Then people say we've progressed  , I swear you couldn't make it up.

I thought you were gonna refer me to the figures... how much did they spend before they regained the title in 2006-2007. How much did Mourinho spend for his titles in 2004-2006?