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[LFC2007]

The scientific method explained

[Sir Roger]

The scientific method explained

Oh no mate its not scientific

Its far more reliable than that...

[ConnO'var]

One might argue that the majority of Newcastle fans wanted Allardyce sacked and that they got their wish. They also got relegated.

I would argue that they would have stayed in the division had he not been sacked, in which case, the majority view was wrong.

The merit of a viewpoint is not enhanced by the number of people who share it.

Excellent point.
Agree completely.

[Reg]

One might argue that the majority of Newcastle fans wanted Allardyce sacked and that they got their wish. They also got relegated.

I would argue that they would have stayed in the division had he not been sacked, in which case, the majority view was wrong.

The merit of a viewpoint is not enhanced by the number of people who share it.

Excellent point.
Agree completely.

   

[7_Kewell]

but fat sam hadn't been there for 4-5 years. We are a patient bunch here at liverpool, but enough is enough.

I agree with you, but that wasn't the point I was making. I'm simply saying that being in the majority doesn't in itself enhance the argument one is making, nor does being in a minority take anything away from it.

I hear what you are saying, but if thats the case then we are screwed anyway...

The fans wanted Parry out...

The fans wanted Rafa to be given complete control over transfers...

The fans wanted Rafa to commit to the club with a new long term deal....

[maguskwt]

how bout David O'leary... now he plays attacking football...

[maguskwt]

you see when you pretend to propose whichever new manager on the forum, the anti's become abit less abusive and the forums are a lot more pleasant... so just give them what they want...


so what about Mark Hughes... I thought he did pretty well at Man City... 

[maguskwt]

but fat sam hadn't been there for 4-5 years. We are a patient bunch here at liverpool, but enough is enough.

I agree with you, but that wasn't the point I was making. I'm simply saying that being in the majority doesn't in itself enhance the argument one is making, nor does being in a minority take anything away from it.

I hear what you are saying, but if thats the case then we are screwed anyway...

The fans wanted Parry out...

The fans wanted Rafa to be given complete control over transfers...

The fans wanted Rafa to commit to the club with a new long term deal....

not from what i've been hearing on this forum... 

[maguskwt]

So what about Seven Goran Eirksson... he did pretty well in his club managments... and besides we can be sure that he won't rotate because he doesn't change his lineup at all... simple and direct football is what we want ain't it...

[Kakloola]

Gerrard Houllier sold everyone in liverpool and then he bought new players
he changed the whole club
he got players like Sami Hyypia, he dominated the box like Carraghar does now, Hyypia might have done even better
Gerrard Houllier left the club in 2005 or 2004
Look at it this way, Benitez won the champions league and FA Cup in 2005
That was when Gerrard Houllier had made a strong squad and made sure that it was ready for any battle
Benitez just took that squad and won with it, sure he added Alonso but nothing else
Gerrard Houllier had the club ready, it was him in 2005
Since Benitez came he bought people like Kuyt, Alonso, Johnson, Babel and Aquilini
Those are good buy's but Benitez need's to put them in use
Houllier knew Hyppia was a good defender and he knew his heading accuracy was perfect so he got him
He made Stevie G captain
I know Benitez has done good, he made us come second last season but is that it??
Has he even won anything after the year 2005?? Might have but Benitez was never as good as Gerrard Houllier
Jose Mourinho would be a good manager for us, he would actually get us somewhere
Martin O Neil, i know he doesnt have much experience to manage a club like Liverpool, but he would be a good try

He also added Garcia and both him and xabi were highly instrumentalin us winning cl in 2005 then he won the fa cup in 2006 after bringing in players like crouch and pepe another two players who were instreumental in us winning that trophy .

yeah thts wat i mean
he added a few players who helped
but what if alonso wasnt there??
did he really make a big difference cause in the 2005 champions league it was gerrard and risse who i saw doing one touch pass or gerrard and hyypia
i didnt see much of alonso
in my opinion luis garcia was a great help, Benitez's best buy, maybe Aquilini
Dont get me wrong, Reina is a great goal keeper but i think tht Dudek was doing a good enough job to help us

[Igor Zidane]

A bit of Rafa and LFC 's history getting re -written here methinks. .So until this season we haven't progressed and we've played boring crappy footy for 4 years right up until the last three months of last season . Feck me Rafa should have been sacked in his first season . Oh wait!

[bigmick]

People being a bit silly here. All this "respect other peoples point of view" is all well and good, but then you get the "so how long would it take Mourinho to win us the title then" question followed by others chucking various names which would be unsuitable into the hat (when they're not dismissing all and sundry out of hand).

I think everyone accepts that it is unlikely Mourinho will be Liverpools manager anytime soon. Not because "he wouldn't come here" but because he is the most sought after manager in World football. Just like we don't attract the most sought after footballers in World football, we would struggle to attract THE most sought after manager as well. Why people get all silly about the name and get a bee in their bonnet him I'll never know, but there it is. IF he did become our manager, like many other names which get tossed into the mix I think it is unlikely we would win the league with him in the short term.

That said, I would expect a new manager to launch a credible title challenge more than once every six seasons. I would expect us to be STILL INVOLVED IN THE LEAGUE BEYOND NOVEMBER, EVERY SEASON and I would expect us to be able to see off the likes of Reading at Home in the FA Cup fairly readily. I wouldn't expect the new manager to sign 20 million pound players and then suddenly decide they don't like them anymore, and I wouldn't expect him to play two holding midfielders at Home against Hull. I would expect any new manager to win a trophy with HIS team, particularly if he has spent 200 million quid building it. I would also think it would be quite nice if we played more expansive football, didn't fall out with all and sundry, and didn't regularly give ridiculous and embarrassing press conferences. Finishing inside the top four ought to be a hurdle which any new manager can manage without too much drama, as should finishing well ahead of Everton/Birmingham.

Too much to ask? I don't think so, although it is obviously beyond Benitez. Too ambitious? Well perhaps, although I make no apologies for not lowering my sights to the extent that many on here do. All this "well Roy Hodgson wouldn't come, neither would Martin O Neill" is frankly bizarre, and speaking as somebody who has been accused of being overly downbeat in the past I can only smile at how downright depressing it is.

Lets be honest here, since Rafa built his team we've had one good season. He is a busted flush, he's had a good go, thanks a lot and all that, but lets move on. Obviously if we got the most sought after manager in World football then lovely, but even if we don't, if we are simply looking for a manager who will do better than the current incumbent, the field of possibilities is long and varied. Some people have even mentioned in jest a few who I am very confident would be an improvement.

[Sir Roger]

If Rafas the right man for the job, how come we havent won the league yet?
Those who say give him time, how much time?

[Sir Roger]

People being a bit silly here. All this "respect other peoples point of view" is all well and good, but then you get the "so how long would it take Mourinho to win us the title then" question followed by others chucking various names which would be unsuitable into the hat (when they're not dismissing all and sundry out of hand).

I think everyone accepts that it is unlikely Mourinho will be Liverpools manager anytime soon. Not because "he wouldn't come here" but because he is the most sought after manager in World football. Just like we don't attract the most sought after footballers in World football, we would struggle to attract THE most sought after manager as well. Why people get all silly about the name and get a bee in their bonnet him I'll never know, but there it is. IF he did become our manager, like many other names which get tossed into the mix I think it is unlikely we would win the league with him in the short term.

That said, I would expect a new manager to launch a credible title challenge more than once every six seasons. I would expect us to be STILL INVOLVED IN THE LEAGUE BEYOND NOVEMBER, EVERY SEASON and I would expect us to be able to see off the likes of Reading at Home in the FA Cup fairly readily. I wouldn't expect the new manager to sign 20 million pound players and then suddenly decide they don't like them anymore, and I wouldn't expect him to play two holding midfielders at Home against Hull. I would expect any new manager to win a trophy with HIS team, particularly if he has spent 200 million quid building it. I would also think it would be quite nice if we played more expansive football, didn't fall out with all and sundry, and didn't regularly give ridiculous and embarrassing press conferences. Finishing inside the top four ought to be a hurdle which any new manager can manage without too much drama, as should finishing well ahead of Everton/Birmingham.

Too much to ask? I don't think so, although it is obviously beyond Benitez. Too ambitious? Well perhaps, although I make no apologies for not lowering my sights to the extent that many on here do. All this "well Roy Hodgson wouldn't come, neither would Martin O Neill" is frankly bizarre, and speaking as somebody who has been accused of being overly downbeat in the past I can only smile at how downright depressing it is.

Lets be honest here, since Rafa built his team we've had one good season. He is a busted flush, he's had a good go, thanks a lot and all that, but lets move on. Obviously if we got the most sought after manager in World football then lovely, but even if we don't, if we are simply looking for a manager who will do better than the current incumbent, the field of possibilities is long and varied. Some people have even mentioned in jest a few who I am very confident would be an improvement.

Agree totally
A different manager with that squad could have us challenging for the title
Its the manager who is the key

[Sabre]

A bit of Rafa and LFC 's history getting re -written here methinks. .So until this season we haven't progressed and we've played boring crappy footy for 4 years right up until the last three months of last season .

Correct.

I can understand someone thinks Rafa is not good enough for Liverpool, I can understand that someone thinks Liverpool deserves better, but not that the history is rewritten.

That is, for all the disaster it's being this season, no one foresaw the disaster in summer, not even the most Heimdallish of posters.

If Rafas the right man for the job, how come we havent won the league yet?
Those who say give him time, how much time?

Don't worry, he'll be off in summer.

So, what kind of Wizard do you want to find in order to get Liverpool a league title without spending?

Whoever comes next, he'll also need patience. And I do agree some other member that is worried by what patience will get a legend like Dalglish if he gets the job

With the current financial status, winning the league is not realistic, not for Rafa, not for anyone.

But I hope you're right, someone comes, and gets Liverpool the League.