Liverpool FC Forum

[Sir Roger]

A bit of Rafa and LFC 's history getting re -written here methinks. .So until this season we haven't progressed and we've played boring crappy footy for 4 years right up until the last three months of last season .

Correct.

I can understand someone thinks Rafa is not good enough for Liverpool, I can understand that someone thinks Liverpool deserves better, but not that the history is rewritten.

That is, for all the disaster it's being this season, no one foresaw the disaster in summer, not even the most Heimdallish of posters.

If Rafas the right man for the job, how come we havent won the league yet?
Those who say give him time, how much time?

Don't worry, he'll be off in summer.

So, what kind of Wizard do you want to find in order to get Liverpool a league title without spending?

Whoever comes next, he'll also need patience. And I do agree some other member that is worried by what patience will get a legend like Dalglish if he gets the job

With the current financial status, winning the league is not realistic, not for Rafa, not for anyone.

But I hope you're right, someone comes, and gets Liverpool the League.

I firmly believe that our current squad is capable of winning the league, with the right manager picking the team
I have looked at the skanks, the ar'se and chelski and I dont see that theyre that much better than us, if at all.
Rafa has been the problem this season
He had his chance and he blew it big style

[Igor Zidane]

That said, I would expect a new manager to launch a credible title challenge more than once every six seasons. I would expect us to be STILL INVOLVED IN THE LEAGUE BEYOND NOVEMBER, EVERY SEASON and I would expect us to be able to see off the likes of Reading at Home in the FA Cup fairly readily. I wouldn't expect the new manager to sign 20 million pound players and then suddenly decide they don't like them anymore, and I wouldn't expect him to play two holding midfielders at Home against Hull. I would expect any new manager to win a trophy with HIS team, particularly if he has spent 200 million quid building it. I would also think it would be quite nice if we played more expansive football, didn't fall out with all and sundry, and didn't regularly give ridiculous and embarrassing press conferences. Finishing inside the top four ought to be a hurdle which any new manager can manage without too much drama, as should finishing well ahead of Everton/Birmingham.

This bit here mate , are you being serious . Dreamland mate .
With the owners we've got .not in a million years . Not even if you made a pact with god and brought Bill Shankly back to manage us . You are being totally unrealistic and unfair to any new manager coming in expecting all this .

NOT IN A MIILION YEARS WITH THESE OWNERS .

I'm telling yer mick ,get used to it .

[bigmick]

Not in a million years Igor? To be INVOLVED in the title race beyond Novemeber? To have a title challenge more than once every six seasons? To be able to beat Reading? To buy only the 20 million pound players which you actually like, and to actually pick them once you've bought them?

Unrealistic? Because we have owners who aren't chucking money at it? Sorry mate, can't agree.

[Igor Zidane]

Not in a million years Igor? To be INVOLVED in the title race beyond Novemeber? To have a title challenge more than once every six seasons? To be able to beat Reading? To buy only the 20 million pound players which you actually like, and to actually pick them once you've bought them?

Unrealistic? Because we have owners who aren't chucking money at it? Sorry mate, can't agree.

You don't have to agree mate . I'm not  saying this to back rafa mate . Like i've said before i've come to terms that he's gone , I'm telling you mate . If we keep these owners , those day's are gone who ever the manager is .

[devaney]

Mick - didn't we put together a reasonable title challenge last year under the same owners that Rafa managed to successfully destroy? Seem to remember it all going a bit pear shaped after his idiotic Ferguson rant !! I am at a loss as to why some of the people on this forum do absolutely nothing but blame the owners. It is not just the owners who are responsible for the current state of affairs. In fact it would be reasonable to say that since the arrival of Purslow the owners have kept a very low profile and said very little. They have also started to reduce the debt to a more acceptable level using their own money.

[Igor Zidane]

Mick - didn't we put together a reasonable title challenge last year under the same owners that Rafa managed to successfully destroy? Seem to remember it all going a bit pear shaped after his idiotic Ferguson rant !! I am at a loss as to why some of the people on this forum do absolutely nothing but blame the owners. It is not just the owners who are responsible for the current state of affairs. In fact it would be reasonable to say that since the arrival of Purslow the owners have kept a very low profile and said very little. They have also started to reduce the debt to a more acceptable level using their own money.

Fine mate , you want to keep the owners that's up to you . Rafa is obviously your priority , so we'll see hey . I find it strange that people would rather see the club destroyed aslong as rafa is sacked . You prioritise your hatred of the manager before the future of the club . All the while making excuses for the owners and there stewardship of the club .I'm trully baffled to say the least . You make your bed though mate .

[shawnk]

Not in a million years Igor? To be INVOLVED in the title race beyond Novemeber? To have a title challenge more than once every six seasons? To be able to beat Reading? To buy only the 20 million pound players which you actually like, and to actually pick them once you've bought them?

Unrealistic? Because we have owners who aren't chucking money at it? Sorry mate, can't agree.

Agree. It's not the owners fault on the issue you've mentioned. We are not talking about challenging for first, if so yes that maybe the owners fault for not giving enough money to challenge for the title but to think it's the owners' fault that we got kicked by Reading even though we have two players from the FIFA XI is so deluded and biased.

[crazyhorse]

I agree with Mick.

It is a shocking state of affairs that after all the debt, spending and general talk we face another "transitional" phase so the team can be rebuilt.

Who to blame... all of the above would be my answer.

[Igor Zidane]

Not in a million years Igor? To be INVOLVED in the title race beyond Novemeber? To have a title challenge more than once every six seasons? To be able to beat Reading? To buy only the 20 million pound players which you actually like, and to actually pick them once you've bought them?

Unrealistic? Because we have owners who aren't chucking money at it? Sorry mate, can't agree.

Agree. It's not the owners fault on the issue you've mentioned. We are not talking about challenging for first, if so yes that maybe the owners fault for not giving enough money to challenge for the title but to think it's the owners' fault that we got kicked by Reading even though we have two players from the FIFA XI is so deluded and biased.

Like i say better get used to it . You are going to be seriously disappionted if you think we'll get anywhere near challenging for the league or the champions league again .

Your priorities are all wrong , you can blame rafa all you like for our failings and you may be right . Once he's gone though and we get a new manager What then ? Stll leaves us with the very same owners we've got now . Like i say if your happy with that i can't do much to change your mind . Just be prepared for a future in mid table mediocrity . NOT BECAUSE OF THE MANAGER ,BUT BECAUSE OF THE OWNERS.

[Scottbot]

So what about Seven Goran Eirksson... he did pretty well in his club managments... and besides we can be sure that he won't rotate because he doesn't change his lineup at all... simple and direct football is what we want ain't it...

I know you said that to be sarcastic but that is exactly what we have been getting this season.

[stmichael]

To be honest I'm pretty much resigned to the fact we're not getting a new manager anyway, unless Rafa walks.

[account deleted by request]

To be honest I'm pretty much resigned to the fact we're not getting a new manager anyway, unless Rafa walks.

I agree mate, and that WILL be the owners fault..... FACT.

[Scottbot]

To be honest I'm pretty much resigned to the fact we're not getting a new manager anyway, unless Rafa walks.

He will only go if another club comes in for him however, i'd be very surprised if neither Milan, Madrid or Juve come in for him.

[tonyeh]

I am at a loss as to why some of the people on this forum do absolutely nothing but blame the owners.

Because it's much easier than addressing the real problems. The owners are a generally unknown quantity. Nobody REALLY knows that much about them or what they do or don't get up to. They're a blank cheque for blame. Sure, they're no doubt a bunch of fuckers, but really the only thing that can be levelled at them is that they can't hand over the money that Benitez wants.

But, the flipside to that is that Benitez has been woeful with the money he has got. So, I hate to say it, but I can understand their reluctance.

Benitez had 20 million to spend on a replacement for Alonso when he jumped ship and he decided to buy an injured player (with a history of injuries) and then decides NOT to play him when he got fit. Was Aqualini REALLY the ONLY midfielder that Liverpool could have bought?

I wouldn't give Benitez 40 quid for groceries.

[7_Kewell]

Not in a million years Igor? To be INVOLVED in the title race beyond Novemeber? To have a title challenge more than once every six seasons? To be able to beat Reading? To buy only the 20 million pound players which you actually like, and to actually pick them once you've bought them?

Unrealistic? Because we have owners who aren't chucking money at it? Sorry mate, can't agree.

Agree. It's not the owners fault on the issue you've mentioned. We are not talking about challenging for first, if so yes that maybe the owners fault for not giving enough money to challenge for the title but to think it's the owners' fault that we got kicked by Reading even though we have two players from the FIFA XI is so deluded and biased.

Like i say better get used to it . You are going to be seriously disappionted if you think we'll get anywhere near challenging for the league or the champions league again .

Your priorities are all wrong , you can blame rafa all you like for our failings and you may be right . Once he's gone though and we get a new manager What then ? Stll leaves us with the very same owners we've got now . Like i say if your happy with that i can't do much to change your mind . Just be prepared for a future in mid table mediocrity . NOT BECAUSE OF THE MANAGER ,BUT BECAUSE OF THE OWNERS.

we all know the owners need replacing...but we also have a squad worth over 200 million quid and it contains FOUR world class players. To make things worse, with money tight, Rafa has blown the Alonso transfer kitty on a player he doesn't want, yet again.

That's 40 million he's wasted in 24 months...well done Rafa