LIVERPOOL VS EVERTON - Merseyside derby

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Postby Sabre » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:49 am

As usual, when we lose we're outclassed and outwitted, and when we win we're shít really.

All in all several posters I respect told about a bad game, and I expected a bad game. That's why it surprised me a bit positively.

In the first half we were far superior to Everton. So much better we were, that our main flaw was not to kill the game. That could have costed us, because in a derby any thing can happen. Other than that, I saw the kind of football I wanted to see, we had a lot of rigour defending, should we had that rigour in other games we'd have more points now.

We pressed better, and we reached the ball earlier. Not a surprise Everton got two yellows in their midfield because they were  a step behind all the time.

Alonso made an awful game against Manchester and I saw recovered his game against Everton, especially without the ball, and further than the obvious tackle he won to Yakubu (or something) in the first goal. Of course, he lost a ball in min 36 that costed a counterattack and that will be enough to get the usual "below par" criticism he gets, but he was definitely better than against Manchester.

MOM was Gerrard, and in the first half he excelled. He got a lot of stick against Manchester, but a footballer depends a lot in the team. The more defensive rigour brougt more posession and Gerrard was activated in zones where he makes more danger. If you lose the ball as soon as you get it, then you hardly can excell in a position like Gerrard's. Let alone with 10 men.

Torres scored yet another goal, those are the chances that he gets a goal this season, and he sent it to row Z last season. It must be the red shirt or something, but I'm chuffed :D . Good finnish.

Good news, we looked solid again. Bad news, we should have killed the game and we didn't. Important news: A derby is won, and that's all that matters.
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Postby bigxchris » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:54 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:Sky said that Stevie G silenced the Everscum fans chants.


What were they chanting?

Anyone? seen alot talked about on the news sites today but no one saying what was really being chanted.
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Postby HacksawJimDuggin » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:31 pm

We pummelled the Toffee's in the 1st half yesterday and should have gone in 3-4 goals up. As it was we didn't and took our foot of the gas big time in the 2nd half. Having said that it was a professional display and a great 3 points for us.

I thought Lucas had a great game yesterday but I can't help but think there is more to come from him in an attacking sense. He's been great in the role beside Alonso or Mascha but I think we're limiting him in there.

Gerrard was superb, Torres led the line expertly and I though Babel was also good (although he needs to work on end product and finishing). Also Skrtel looks a steal at £6m. They all played there part yesterday.
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Postby destro » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:34 pm

bigxchris wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Sky said that Stevie G silenced the Everscum fans chants.


What were they chanting?

Anyone? seen alot talked about on the news sites today but no one saying what was really being chanted.

I didn't hear anything out of the usual the baby's not yours etc,etc
:no the stuff they sing even if they are playing some other team, obsessed ? ever so lightly  :nod
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Postby stmichael » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:52 pm

destro wrote:
bigxchris wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Sky said that Stevie G silenced the Everscum fans chants.


What were they chanting?

Anyone? seen alot talked about on the news sites today but no one saying what was really being chanted.

I didn't hear anything out of the usual the baby's not yours etc,etc
:no the stuff they sing even if they are playing some other team, obsessed ? ever so lightly  :nod

yeah it was the usual cr@p we expect from those :censored:.

we just chanted back with "the city's all ours"  :D
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Postby The Kid Torres » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:59 pm

Haven't had time to post until now but I thought we played quite well yesterday and thoroughly deserved the victory.

I thought that Skrtel was immense at the back, Hyppia didn't put wrong, Gerrard put in a much, much better performance than the one he did the Sunday before against Man Yoo and I thought even Dirk Kuyt put in a decent shift.

One player really dissapointed me in his performance and that was Lucas. Now, I know he needs time to adapt to the football over here and the merseyside derby is always a frantic affair but to me he looks like he really needs to beef up as too many times he was knocked or shrugged off the ball far too easily.

He needs to retain the ball far better too for a Brazilian international.

My ratings -

Reina 6 (didn't have a save to make)

Riise 7 (defended well and put in a couple of sweet crosses)
Skrtel 8 (didn't give Yakubu a sniff, looks a fantastic prospect)
Hyypia 7 (didn't put a foot wrong, hope he signs new contract)
Carragher 7 (lost going forward but still faultless in his defensive work)

Babel 6 (some good moments but final ball let's him down, and was subdued after the break)
Alonso 6 (some nice long range passing but still nowhere near his best, distribution was generally off)
Lucas 5 (looks far too lightweight at the moment and game passed him by again)
Kuyt 7 (work rate was tremendous as always and kept the ball much better than he has been)

Gerrard 8 (was everywhere, put in a fantastic tackle on Jagielka and was unlucky not to score with a typical 20 yarder that came back off the post)
Torres 8 (scored the all important goal and ran there back line ragged at times)

I don't think the subs are worth commenting on as none really had time to make an impression on the game.
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Postby Reg » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:00 pm

The bickering on this site is a real pain in the rolf harris.

If you dont know how to enjoy success, how can you be constructive in defeat?

Lighten up lads and stop acting like trumped up school kids.
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Postby Big Niall » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:03 pm

Great result.

Very confident of qualifying for CL now which is essential to get the top players in the Summer. :buttrock
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Postby The Kid Torres » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:09 pm

HacksawJimDuggin wrote:We pummelled the Toffee's in the 1st half yesterday and should have gone in 3-4 goals up. As it was we didn't and took our foot of the gas big time in the 2nd half. Having said that it was a professional display and a great 3 points for us.

I thought Lucas had a great game yesterday but I can't help but think there is more to come from him in an attacking sense. He's been great in the role beside Alonso or Mascha but I think we're limiting him in there.

Gerrard was superb, Torres led the line expertly and I though Babel was also good (although he needs to work on end product and finishing). Also Skrtel looks a steal at £6m. They all played there part yesterday.

Agree with your comments other than the Lucas one.

Did he really have a 'great' game?  ???

Obviously he did in your opinion and that's fair enough, but I really can't think of anything he did that could be talked about in a positive manner.
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Postby stmichael » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:13 pm

Lucas didn't play well yesterday, especially in the second half, but Alonso was just as poor in all fairness. Before the game started I was expecting Gerrard to drop back into central midfield in a 4-4-2 but obviously Rafa had other ideas.

On Lucas though, I'm still trying to work out what type of midfielder he is. Is he defensive, is he box to box, or is he attacking? I can't make my mind up when I see him play.
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Postby The Kid Torres » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:20 pm

stmichael wrote:On Lucas though, I'm still trying to work out what type of midfielder he is. Is he defensive, is he box to box, or is he attacking? I can't make my mind up when I see him play.

Same here.

I was led to believe when we had signed him that he was a box to box midfield player in the mould of Stevie Gerrard, but Benitez has since insisted that he's more like Alonso and I too can't work out exactly what he is supposed to be.

He doesn't burst forward from midfield and he's simply too lightweight to have any real effect in his defensive work.

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Postby Reg » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:26 pm

Liverpool Boss Benitez Slams Everton Fans Chants

Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has expressed his displeasure over 'disrespectful' chants from sections of the Everton support during the 207th Merseyside derby, which the Anfield side won 1-0 with Fernando Torres’ goal.

The Reds, who are now five points clear in the fourth place above David Moyes’ side, had also prevailed over the Toffees at Goodison Park earlier in the season, and thus have done the double over their city rivals for only the third time in the Premier League.

"I think it is more for our supporters and for the team because we have three more points and the gap is five points," said the Spaniard on the club's official website.

"I am sure some of the players will be very pleased because I do not like to hear some of the things I heard.

"It showed a lack of respect for some players. So I am really pleased, especially for some players.

"I am very pleased we did the double against Everton for our supporters and it was really important for the team and the club."
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Ok, what was chanted?? Obviously its an issue.
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Postby The Kid Torres » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:34 pm

Probably something about that lame goatee he currently owns.  :;):
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:01 pm

yeah
what was chanted other then gerrard's kid not being his....
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:08 pm

Alonso made an awful game against Manchester and I saw recovered his game against Everton


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