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[hello_red]

Hes alright!

Better than Voronin.

[woof woof !]

"What would you do with him?"

Teach him to trap a bag of cement , would probably double his value overnight.

[Bammo]

his 1st touch wasn't that bad last season

Kuyt goals

[hello_red]

Its confidence! You dont go over night. And he wasnt rubbish last season aswell as some will say.

I had faith, I thought he was going to let me down but hes ok.

[Penguins]

Confidence???
What have you been watching the last 1 1/2 years?
He is a player with very limited abilty, no goal threat, can't head a ball, terrible skill and creativity.
He has been played so much this season and been in most of them.

He is a striker and he offers no goals and no assists.
Poor ability and just cause he works had and scored a few goals way back makes ii ok?
Not a single PL goal which he actually was aware of happening, and he has been our 1st choice striker the whole season!!!!
A disgrace, nothing else.

And I 'm tired of the fact that just cause you critisize a player that plays for the team you are labeled a **** or worse which makes it impossible to say anything about anyone
even if the team had 11 mediocre players!
If a player isn't good enough it should be out loud and clear and be flogged out asap!
Kuyt isn't alone, but he is being played relentlessly no matter how poor he is and that makes him even more viable to critisize.
The team will never get better if you don't strive to get better, and that includes idientifying players that aren't good enough and kick their out to a team that matches their ability.

Nice guys afraid to to what is necessary will never win anything.
And just cause a person is a great humanbeing, spenind loads of money on charity, a great bloke etc etc mean absolutely jack squat on the field if he can't kick a football!

[hello_red]

Confidence???
What have you been watching the last 1 1/2 years?
He is a player with very limited abilty, no goal threat, can't head a ball, terrible skill and creativity.
He has been played so much this season and been in most of them.

He is a striker and he offers no goals and no assists.
Poor ability and just cause he works had and scored a few goals way back makes ii ok?
Not a single PL goal which he actually was aware of happening, and he has been our 1st choice striker the whole season!!!!
A disgrace, nothing else.

And I 'm tired of the fact that just cause you critisize a player that plays for the team you are labeled a **** or worse which makes it impossible to say anything about anyone
even if the team had 11 mediocre players!
If a player isn't good enough it should be out loud and clear and be flogged out asap!
Kuyt isn't alone, but he is being played relentlessly no matter how poor he is and that makes him even more viable to critisize.
The team will never get better if you don't strive to get better, and that includes idientifying players that aren't good enough and kick their out to a team that matches their ability.

Nice guys afraid to to what is necessary will never win anything.
And just cause a person is a great humanbeing, spenind loads of money on charity, a great bloke etc etc mean absolutely jack squat on the field if he can't kick a football!

Chill out!

we support the same team laa.

[crazyhorse]

Not quick enough, not a good enough finisher, not great in the air but works his socks off.
I would have to say move him on, even though I admire his committment.

[heimdall]

Kuyt has had far more games than his skill and talent warrants. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke but that doesn't mean he should be allowed to play for the greatest team in the world. With a great second striker we will be a scary opponent to anyone, but I imagine Rafa will buy a few more central midfielders if he is still around in the summer 

[Avi Cohen]

I think we're being a little unfair to Dirk Kuyt.

Dirk was banging them in for Feyenoord four season in a row. He was prolific and the fans still love him over there. He comes to us and is asked to play in a different position - running between the lines, feeder striker, whatever.
Against Inter, he was playing on the wing, then moved to the left wing. No childish sulk, no p.iss and moan (like someone else on the team), which is something he's quite entitled to do. He's done it without mouthing off to the press or anything. Like a true pro, he's got his head down and has tried his heart out to do the job Rafa has asked of him. Kuyt isn't stupid. He knows he's not playing well in a role he's not cut out for (put Stevie at left back and see how he does) and still he runs his f.ucking guts out every game he plays.

Rafa is playing him out of position and it's killing his career - he's just been dropped from the Dutch squad. Does he say owt? No. Why? He's a pro and is trying to do the best job he can when the world and its mother knows he's out of position.

Look at the clips of the goals he scored last season. Bar one, he was in the middle, chasing down a pass. Not out on the wing trying to put a decent cross in or thread a pass through a crowded defence. Kuyt is a player who should be on the end of things - not asked to create them

I wonder how Torres would do if Rafa put him on the right wing, then the left or asked to grind out chances and chase down defenders for someone else?

Let's not forget he lost his dad, who was a major influence in his life, recently, and I don't about the rest of you but that can have a terrible effect on the psyche of a player. Fortunately, my dad is still alive and well but I don't know what I'd do if he died - and I'm 30!
So throw in a loss of a father, loss of confidence and played out of position and what do you get?

An angry forum.

[Avi Cohen]

Oh, I voted for another season.

[Penguins]

I just think you should call a spade a spade and nothing else.
No use trying to defend the indefensible.

Kuyt is a decent striker when played the highest up the field.
Torres is miles better in that same position and the problem is Kuyt has very little ability to play in any other position than his prefered one.

That makes him obsolete. We have better in his position and we need better in positions he is playing in right now.

We can't fall in love with every footballer that comes to the club with anice personality. We all want results and it's on the pitch the games are decided and if the players here aren't of the required quality they need to be shippied out, mother Theresa or not.

Momo was another example. Just cause a player works like crazy on the field and gives it all, this "all" might not be enough at this club. Can't be sentimental every time that happens and be blind when a player for an extended period of time doesn't cut it.

You can talk about poor form, but when that "poor form" lasts
over a year, might it not be possible it is more to it than that?
And how long should it be acceptable to be in poor form?
1 season? 2 maybe?

And then some talk about low confidence. C'mon, Kuyt has been given more chances than any other player to get going with more minutes than anyone else.

The bottom line is, if a player is poor for a long period of time, he just can not stay cause it is damaging the results for the team as a whole.

He isn't alone and even if he isn't good enough I'd still could think about keeping him if

a) he is only deployed as a sub coming in late in games protecting leads.
b) he didn't have that £9m price tag

With especially Kewell and to a lesser extent Risse, I wouldn't even consider that.
Just can't not believe how some actually insisted for years about Kewell being worth his wages and he would reach the same level as Leeds. Just gives him another season. And another season...

What I want to se more than even a 2nd striker this summer is a genuine can't miss top class left winger. Eons ago I saw one at this club now...

[redhayesy]

he"s on a roll now!! go dirk lad make it 3 in 3 mate

prove these negative tw@ts on here & all the other doubters
at the recent games that -as we all know & should still
believe in what you reep etc, his hard work over the last few
mounths is finally paying off!  was anyone moaning about him
when he scored tuesday night- i very much doubt it.
keep going dirk lad, his reaction on tuesday after scoring was brill!
i"m made up for him.

[Kharhaz]

I chose sell for 5 mill+. I stuck up for him no end early on in the season but it really does look like he is not cut out for the premiership, or liverpool, or both. I'll always admire the guy not only for his hard work in the team but his charity work also, he just does not look the part.

[oakton]

He's probably had the best performance of his entire career last season.  He was very ordinary in the World Cup (that was the first time i saw him play), I was worry when we signed him but like everyone else, was pleased with his performance last season.  But this season I reckon he's back to where he is, this is the real Kuyt, which is .

[Scottbot]

Look at the clips of the goals he scored last season. Bar one, he was in the middle, chasing down a pass. Not out on the wing trying to put a decent cross in or thread a pass through a crowded defence. Kuyt is a player who should be on the end of things - not asked to create them

I wonder how Torres would do if Rafa put him on the right wing, then the left or asked to grind out chances and chase down defenders for someone else?

To be fair to the manager, I think part of his thinking for playing Kuyt as a right-sided forward is to take a little bit of pressure off the lad as you're not nessessarily expected to score from the flanks.

For me Kuyt is:

- A decent player who has been found out somewhat at this level

- A much better player than he has been showing this season

- Will be at a new club next summer where i expect him to find his level again.

But credit too him on Tuesday night. He had a good game yet depsite this I was one of the many calling for Babel (instead of Kuyt) to stay on the pitch when Rafa brought on Pennant. But he scored the winner 10 minutes later so fairplay to the guy. Hope he can kick on from here.