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[GYBS]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

Think it was even King Kenny who was saying Kuyt was the closest thing liverpool have ever got to himself or keegan in his first season .

[GYBS]

just as i thought ignoring the points being mentioned to you .

not at all, read the thread and you will see they are already covered, i dont need to go  round in circles mate because you dont understand the earlier posts

we can go back and forwards all night mate, we have different opinions. live with it

so are people like torres and gerrard and rafa wrong then ?

Torres and Gerrard's not likely to go out and slate a team mate are they?

Especially as Kuyt's done nothing wrong except put in 100% effort everytime. It's not his fault that he's not good enough.... he's grabbed his chance at a big club and gave it his all... nothing wrong with that.

Rafa was mistaken in his initial appraisal of the player's attributes and misguided in continuing to persist with him even when he's limitations are sorely on display week in and week out.

maybe not go out and slate him but are they going to come out and give him such praise - esp torres with what he said about kuyt ?

[Zenit]

Kuyt deserves a lot more credit then he's getting here. Obviously none of you bothered to watch the European Championship (Spain won ) and Rafa has no clue how to use him at his best, unlike Van Basten and he's not even a great coach.

[The Manhattan Project]

Unless we can get someone who is proven to be superior to Dirk, he's going nowhere.


Yes, he frustrates, but he also seems to have a habit of popping up with vital contributions and his attitude is tremendous.

[andy_g]

did anyone else notice that in the post match interview his eyes seemed even further apart than usual?

[GYBS]

Kuyt deserves a lot more credit then he's getting here. Obviously none of you bothered to watch the European Championship (Spain won ) and Rafa has no clue how to use him at his best, unlike Van Basten and he's not even a great coach.

Rafa played him in the same role second half of last season as what van basten did in the euros

[burjennio]

OMG, im pretty sure Bill Murray just blew past me walking his groundhog, but im gonna put these points in bullet form so even the most simple minded and biased of you can understand them. These are not even opinions, they are fact, and i will base them on the 2 matches with Standard Liege so everyones memory is nice and fresh

" DIRK KUYT WAS THE WORST PLAYER ON THE PITCH
Over 3 hours of football played, not 1 outfield LFC player can claim to have had a good game. The defence was shaky, the midfield lacked ideas and the strikeforce was static and displayed no kind of flair or ingenuity. Kuyt was not even CLOSE to being LFCs worst player over the 2 legs, despite playing a RIGHT MIDFIELD role, not his right attacking position of last season. Im not a fan of singling out players for abuse (unlike some) but in defense of our protagonist I give you examples Alonso, Benayoun, Torres(yes thats Fernando Torres), Keane (bedding in time excepted) and arguably even Gerrard. Every one performed nowhere near the level they are capable of.

"HIS GOAL WAS LUCKY AND DOESNT MEAN HE MADE THE DIFFERENCE"

Pepe Reina made a couple of fantastic saves, BUT that means a few guys on the other side squanderd their chances Dirk Kuyt had 1 chance, which wasnt easy considering he had a defender 2 inches away from him, and he took it. In over 3 HOURS of football he was the only player could raise to the task, despite Liege having a penalty and us having the best striker in Europe.

EVERY TIME WE ATTACKED HE CUT INSIDE/ HELD THE BALL UP AND SLOWED US DOWN

This actually made me laugh when I counted 3 different posters use this in damnation of Kuyt. If he was the only player you saw doing this then you either have tunnel vision or spent most of ther match on the toilet. For Kuyt see Keane, Benayoun, Babel and Gerrard for consistently doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Yet you single out Kuyt again?

DIRK KUYT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR LIVERPOOL FC

Without turning over 100 different statistics to crush your petty "he cant do this, he doesnt do that" stropps, based soley on 2 CL Qualifiers I give you a player that ran his a$s off in a 3 and a half hour war of attrition, never let the head go down, outshone more gifted teammates and scored the winning goal in the game where no other player on the pitch had the cahones to stand up and be counted. I give you Dirk f'uckin Kuyt. Matchwinner.

Your witness heathens

[GYBS]

OMG, im pretty sure Bill Murray just blew past me walking his groundhog, but im gonna put these points in bullet form so even the most simple minded and biased of you can understand them. These are not even opinions, they are fact, and i will base them on the 2 matches with Standard Liege so everyones memory is nice and fresh

" DIRK KUYT WAS THE WORST PLAYER ON THE PITCH
Over 3 hours of football played, not 1 outfield LFC player can claim to have had a good game. The defence was shaky, the midfield lacked ideas and the strikeforce was static and displayed no kind of flair or ingenuity. Kuyt was not even CLOSE to being LFCs worst player over the 2 legs, despite playing a RIGHT MIDFIELD role, not his right attacking position of last season. Im not a fan of singling out players for abuse (unlike some) but in defense of our protagonist I give you examples Alonso, Benayoun, Torres(yes thats Fernando Torres), Keane (bedding in time excepted) and arguably even Gerrard. Every one performed nowhere near the level they are capable of.

"HIS GOAL WAS LUCKY AND DOESNT MEAN HE MADE THE DIFFERENCE"

Pepe Reina made a couple of fantastic saves, BUT that means a few guys on the other side squanderd their chances Dirk Kuyt had 1 chance, which wasnt easy considering he had a defender 2 inches away from him, and he took it. In over 3 HOURS of football he was the only player could raise to the task, despite Liege having a penalty and us having the best striker in Europe.

EVERY TIME WE ATTACKED HE CUT INSIDE/ HELD THE BALL UP AND SLOWED US DOWN

This actually made me laugh when I counted 3 different posters use this in damnation of Kuyt. If he was the only player you saw doing this then you either have tunnel vision or spent most of ther match on the toilet. For Kuyt see Keane, Benayoun, Babel and Gerrard for consistently doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Yet you single out Kuyt again?

DIRK KUYT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR LIVERPOOL FC

Without turning over 100 different statistics to crush your petty "he cant do this, he doesnt do that" stropps, based soley on 2 CL Qualifiers I give you a player that ran his a$s off in a 3 and a half hour war of attrition, never let the head go down, outshone more gifted teammates and scored the winning goal in the game where no other player on the pitch had the cahones to stand up and be counted. I give you Dirk f'uckin Kuyt. Matchwinner.

Your witness heathens

my hero 

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[DLS]

I give you Sammy Wanjiru, 2008 Olympic gold medalist for the men's marathon. He defeated the heat and himidity. Lets splash 10 million quid on him because he can run non stop in circles.

[metalhead]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

so its wrong for some people to change their opinion about a player?

[Toffeehater]

i need to 'get a get', whats all that about.

at least get your abuse right and get a sense of humour sweetheart


try and keep the abuse out and lets try and have a decent discussion for once

the whole point of the thread is that kuyt is not a winger so at least we agree on that.

now if you have nothing constructive to add in the way of intelligent conversation then read another thread


theres a good girl

Fuck off

you blame the fella for everything, its getting beyond a joke every post you make Kuyts included in it.

Ill tell you something about Kuyt he gives most of his wages to charity every month.

Not like the other greedy feckin bastids in the prem.

Get off his feckin back.

Mate lets put this in simple terms , kuyt may not be a world beater but he got the job done , whether he played sh!te or not its another thing , end of the day the "sh!te player" for you won the game . We did not lose so get a grip , if we did than you will have an argument but at the moment , i don't think you do . Kuyt's a model pro , never whined about being shifted from a striker to a right midfielder , got a decent share of goals last season and assists , was our top scorer in the Cl with 7 goals , put in some big performances as well last season , and yesterday he played for that shirt , ran for every ball , tried to create openings for himself and he finally got rewarded and scored .

[Toffeehater]

If Kuyt had confidence in his abilities as a striker, he'd have picked a fight with Rafa by now for playing him on the right.

, what a ridiculous comment that is , kuyt has sacrificed for the team playing in a position that he is not natural in and trying to adapt to that role is not easy especially has he has no experience there what so ever .

[Sabre]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

so its wrong for some people to change their opinion about a player?

It is wrong when you cross the frontier of insult IMHO mate.

Insults must be kept for either opposition players or LFC players that show that they're more interested on money rather than the club.

Ciggy, shocking the bit about MOST of his wages for charity. If that's true, hats off, it would be great even if he gave PART of it.

Also, for the "our strikers don't thrive with crosses" -- I cannot remember the exact words. Even if that's true, having that option will make us more difficult to defend, will allow Gerrard have more space, and will allow more Alonso shots from range. It's always handy to have a player than can reach.

And related to this topic, how many crosses to the second post that are finished have we seen in the last two seasons? Babel made a good cross but he had to do it with his right foot, something that won't be able to do so often there.

Riera IMHO could give that to the team, both more attacking options and a few more chances for Kuyt appearing in the box and finishing.

[account deleted by request]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

I think Kuyt is as good as Roger Hunt ..... But then again Roger's a pensioner now

There is nothing wrong in changing your opinion on someone, once you get to see them more often.

[puroresu]

why is there even a debate about kuyt.  Other than run all day can those that think his a good player actually name the other attributes he has which make him a good enough player for LFC?