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[GYBS]

why is there even a debate about kuyt.  Other than run all day can those that think his a good player actually name the other attributes he has which make him a good enough player for LFC?

scores important goals - helps out defensively - plays his heart out for the club - creates chances and assists goals.

[LFC2007]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

so its wrong for some people to change their opinion about a player?

No.

I've changed my opinion about Kuyt, however, in light of what some people 'saw' in Kuyt which led to the 'he's top quality' comments (and 95% of people were guilty), I find it difficult to accept the radical volte-face in opinion. What on earth made someone say he was absolutely categorically 'top quality' and then a season later say he is Rafa's Sean Dundee? Sean Dundee never had a good game for us let alone a good season - which Kuyt had.

A year to 18 months ago I thought he was a cracking player, but I haven't called him a disgrace, a joke, a clown, Sean Dundee etc.... I just don't think he's good enough to be a first team player, simple as.

Not only this but during the Euro's there was a more 'tolerant' feeling toward Kuyt (He was no longer the Sean Dundee, but actually a useful player and worth £7m), but now it's back to the usual.

It's more an observation than anything else.

[RUSHIE#9]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

I think Kuyt is as good as Roger Hunt ..... But then again Roger's a pensioner now

There is nothing wrong in changing your opinion on someone, once you get to see them more often.

Now there's an idea, quick someone get Rafa on the phone and tell him to get Sir Roger in before the transfer window closes!!! 

[Reg]

Kuyt finished off last season scoring big goals, he´s strated this season with a big goal.  What the fuss about?

What IS sad is some péople went the whole closed season tied to their computer screen and didnt go out and get some fresh air.

[puroresu]

why is there even a debate about kuyt.  Other than run all day can those that think his a good player actually name the other attributes he has which make him a good enough player for LFC?

scores important goals - helps out defensively - plays his heart out for the club - creates chances and assists goals.

important goals?  I would say he scores a lack of goals.  Creates chances? it's not like he plays defensive splitoushting passes or does a bit of tricky footwork to beat a player.

I think the 1st thing any player needs is a good 1st touch and the ability to pass the ball accurately to a teammate.  Kuyt fails in both this things time and time again.

[GYBS]

why is there even a debate about kuyt.  Other than run all day can those that think his a good player actually name the other attributes he has which make him a good enough player for LFC?

scores important goals - helps out defensively - plays his heart out for the club - creates chances and assists goals.

important goals?  I would say he scores a lack of goals.  Creates chances? it's not like he plays defensive splitoushting passes or does a bit of tricky footwork to beat a player.

I think the 1st thing any player needs is a good 1st touch and the ability to pass the ball accurately to a teammate.  Kuyt fails in both this things time and time again.

yes important goals - ie last night - last year against arsenal,chelsea inter and as for creating chances he was second behind gerrard in assists last season

[Sabre]

Kuyt finished off last season scoring big goals, he´s strated this season with a big goal.  What the fuss about?

What IS sad is some péople went the whole closed season tied to their computer screen and didnt go out and get some fresh air.

At some point, his participation in the Euro was a doubt but he convinced Van Basten thanks to a good performance in our right wing, which most of the forum agreed.

He's lost that credit soon enough I'd say. The thing that winds me up is that he's even insulted with things like he súcks the cóck of Rafa to get a place. No one has given anything for free to this lad. Every bit of respect he has, he had to fight it.

So, you can think he's not good enough to play regularly week in week out in a top club, there's not an insult there, but an opinion. But insult him? No, no. 

[Effes]

If you told Kuyt to stay in the box he'd get you goals - like his first season.
Im not comparing him (skill-wise) to Nistelrooy, but he's a striker who hangs in the box most the time
and gets 90+% of his goals from inside the box.

[puroresu]

If you told Kuyt to stay in the box he'd get you goals - like his first season.
Im not comparing him (skill-wise) to Nistelrooy, but he's a striker who hangs in the box most the time
and gets 90+% of his goals from inside the box.

how many of those 12 league goals were v top sides?  I knew after the 1st season kuyt was not the answer yet many believed he would kick on and get better.  He aint improving as his already playing at a level to high for him.

[Sabre]

If you told Kuyt to stay in the box he'd get you goals - like his first season.
Im not comparing him (skill-wise) to Nistelrooy, but he's a striker who hangs in the box most the time
and gets 90+% of his goals from inside the box.

how many of those 12 league goals were v top sides?  I knew after the 1st season kuyt was not the answer yet many believed he would kick on and get better.  He aint improving as his already playing at a level to high for him.

Points against lower teams count less or something? If we had converted some draws against lower teams in victories, we would have been closer to challenge.

I don't understand that point, but if it's truly important against who he scores, he scored against AC Milan in a CL final. Does that mean something?

[puroresu]

If you told Kuyt to stay in the box he'd get you goals - like his first season.
Im not comparing him (skill-wise) to Nistelrooy, but he's a striker who hangs in the box most the time
and gets 90+% of his goals from inside the box.

how many of those 12 league goals were v top sides?  I knew after the 1st season kuyt was not the answer yet many believed he would kick on and get better.  He aint improving as his already playing at a level to high for him.

Points against lower teams count less or something? If we had converted some draws against lower teams in victories, we would have been closer to challenge.

I don't understand that point, but if it's truly important against who he scores, he scored against AC Milan in a CL final. Does that mean something?

The point is that Kuyt is not good enough to be effective against the top class defenders.  Its not just about goals its also about his lack of basic skillset to succeed.  Technically his average and he loses the ball to often. If you watched Kuyt for another side playing like he does for us  would you honestly say "we should buy him". He may be a great person and real nice lad in the dressing room but it doesnt change the fact that his an ordinary player who shouldnt be in a side with aspirations to win the Premier League and CL.

[Zenit]

Kuyt showed in Holland what Huntelaar is showing now in Amsterdam: An incredible strikerinstinct. What natural striker would accept a position in midfield? Kuyt just wants to play and earn his wages en give something back to Liverpool FC, and if that means he has to play in an somewhat akward position for him, he will. He's got tremendous spirit and I remember all the praisal he got at Euro 2008 for all the miles he ran. For me Kuyt resembles a true footballer, with a passion for the game who will never give up and won't settle for a space on the bench earning an outrageous amount of cash and not contributing. He might not be 'wordclass' but he's not the reason Liverpool played horrible yesterday, Standard had a great coach and a great side and can give any topteam a scare. Incredible stuff, their captain is 21 years old, and none of them had ever played a match in Europe.

[metalhead]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

so its wrong for some people to change their opinion about a player?

No.

I've changed my opinion about Kuyt, however, in light of what some people 'saw' in Kuyt which led to the 'he's top quality' comments (and 95% of people were guilty), I find it difficult to accept the radical volte-face in opinion. What on earth made someone say he was absolutely categorically 'top quality' and then a season later say he is Rafa's Sean Dundee? Sean Dundee never had a good game for us let alone a good season - which Kuyt had.

A year to 18 months ago I thought he was a cracking player, but I haven't called him a disgrace, a joke, a clown, Sean Dundee etc.... I just don't think he's good enough to be a first team player, simple as.

Not only this but during the Euro's there was a more 'tolerant' feeling toward Kuyt (He was no longer the Sean Dundee, but actually a useful player and worth £7m), but now it's back to the usual.

It's more an observation than anything else.

Fair enough mate

I have a similar opinion to yours, I thought he was our 20+ goal player, but he turned out to be not.

He is a good player, but not good enough for top club its as simple as that.

[DLS]

Dirk Kuyt isn't good enough for Liverpool Football Club. Fair enough the lad runs his heart, socks and off but there's more to football than hard work. If he put half that energy into basic skills like touch, simple five yard passes and tackling he'd be a top drawer player. Unfortunately his basic skills aren't up to the standard of a top four club in England. A couple of goals now and then don't make a good season. 3 goals in over 30 Premiership games last year. Top class that.

One of the excuses I love most is "he played right wing for all of last year" no he didn't. He was put on the right wing for the Inter game, that was mid Feburary, the season ends in May so for just over three months he played right wing, the season is ten months long. What about the other seven months? He isn't a good enough right winger and he isn't a good enough forward. Simple as that. He should be sold, the sooner the better.

[Sabre]

Kuyt showed in Holland what Huntelaar is showing now in Amsterdam: An incredible strikerinstinct. What natural striker would accept a position in midfield? Kuyt just wants to play and earn his wages en give something back to Liverpool FC, and if that means he has to play in an somewhat akward position for him, he will. He's got tremendous spirit and I remember all the praisal he got at Euro 2008 for all the miles he ran. For me Kuyt resembles a true footballer, with a passion for the game who will never give up and won't settle for a space on the bench earning an outrageous amount of cash and not contributing. He might not be 'wordclass' but he's not the reason Liverpool played horrible yesterday, Standard had a great coach and a great side and can give any topteam a scare. Incredible stuff, their captain is 21 years old, and none of them had ever played a match in Europe.

Good post. And welcome to newkit.