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[dawson99]

belgians deserve to be abused, they all smell of cheese and they have 63 different words for banana, FACT

Is there a pole for anti and pro Kuyt? that might sort out if we like him or not, as now it just seems like peewee is the only one sticking up for the anti point of view

[Dutchsky]

he made us TEN MILLION POUNDS last night, that should give hima little bit of respect off you

sorry mate, this i just dont buy into as i have already explained, what about reinas saves, what about babels cross?

to make out he is personally responsible for winning last  night beggars belief

they all contributed towards a winning performance - both pepe and kuyt were the main reasons - pepe for his saves and kuyt for showing the determination to get behind the defender and pop up with the goal .

Yes, but why is Kuyt always scapegoat then when it doesnt go well?

then its not a teameffort?

[maguskwt]

you would have thought that as a LFC player Kuyt deserved abit of respect at least after scoring the goal that put LFC through to the group stages... but apparently with some fans that doesn't matter... "he scored with his knee! the ball came off his knee! he didn't know anything about it!" apparently it was all down to babel for supplying that inch perfect cross!  ... everyone with a bit of football knowledge knows that it is the attacker of the cross that makes the cross looks inch perfect...

[112-1077774096]

but he isnt always the scapegoat, but his performances are normally stand out poor

[GYBS]

he made us TEN MILLION POUNDS last night, that should give hima little bit of respect off you

sorry mate, this i just dont buy into as i have already explained, what about reinas saves, what about babels cross?

to make out he is personally responsible for winning last  night beggars belief

they all contributed towards a winning performance - both pepe and kuyt were the main reasons - pepe for his saves and kuyt for showing the determination to get behind the defender and pop up with the goal .

Yes, but why is Kuyt always scapegoat then when it doesnt go well?

then its not a teameffort?

cause people like to single out a player and label him the scapegoat no matter what that player does - always been the way and its pretty pathetic - kuyt isnt world class but his is a damn good prem player and squad memeber for us . some people expectations of him are way to high and they should realise he what he brings to the team and how vital that is .

[Rockthekop]

I find it amusing that some fans slate Kuyt and then when he nicks an important goal with his funny bone it's all sunshine and roses.

He deserved a goal more than anyone, but sadly he hasn't got the X-factor.

Benayoun, Pennant, Voronin aren't good enough either.

[GYBS]

but he isnt always the scapegoat, but his performances are normally stand out poor

yes he always is the scapegoat - you see it on forums all round the place and its normally always the same small minority of people who constantly critize the guy no matter what he does - seen it on at least 4 forums .

his first season he did very well for us - top scorer in the prem and played well all season long

first half of last season wasnt his best but that was prob down to the fact he lost his father .

second half of the season he played in a different role - right forward and once again played very well doing a crucial role in the cl and for holland in the euros .

start of this season he gets played right mid in a 442 - not his position and doesnt do well - but not many other players are playing better than him and some worse yet they dont get singled out

last night in second half he gets moved forward a bit more and low and behold what happens next - he starts playing well again - finding space - creating chances and pops up with a crucial goal -

evidence is right there to see.

[112-1077774096]

some people expectations of him are way to high

how much did he cost?  Damn right expectations are high from him. the guy was signed as a forward and was moved to midfield because he is a failure up front and now he is a failure on the right.last season we had people blaming it on his dads sad death, now its blamed on him being out of position. whats wrong with just standing up and saying "the guy is not good enough"

nothing personal against the guy, but on pure footballing terms he is not good enough (along with a few other players i might add but our league positions the last few seasons make that pretty obvious)

[Number 9]

belgians deserve to be abused, they all smell of cheese and they have 63 different words for banana, FACT

Is there a pole for anti and pro Kuyt? that might sort out if we like him or not, as now it just seems like peewee is the only one sticking up for the anti point of view

63 different words for banana??

PMSL!!

[112-1077774096]

but he isnt always the scapegoat, but his performances are normally stand out poor

yes he always is the scapegoat - you see it on forums all round the place and its normally always the same small minority of people who constantly critize the guy no matter what he does - seen it on at least 4 forums .

his first season he did very well for us - top scorer in the prem and played well all season long

first half of last season wasnt his best but that was prob down to the fact he lost his father .

second half of the season he played in a different role - right forward and once again played very well doing a crucial role in the cl and for holland in the euros .

start of this season he gets played right mid in a 442 - not his position and doesnt do well - but not many other players are playing better than him and some worse yet they dont get singled out

last night in second half he gets moved forward a bit more and low and behold what happens next - he starts playing well again - finding space - creating chances and pops up with a crucial goal -

evidence is right there to see.

last season the scapegoat was riise, so whats your point?  bad players can not be called bad as that makes them a scapegoat?

doesnt make sense mate, bad players are bad players full stop, thats not being a scapegoat, personally i think the failure at liverpool is rafa, its his squad, its his selections, its his tactics, and dont dare say he has had no money

[Igor Zidane]

kuyt is needed in the squad. hes a workhorse. he runs like anutter,. and scores some VERY important goals. Every team needs a player like this. You cant have 11 world class, you need some different class team playuers. Kuyt adds to the team.

And people WERE singling out Kuyt last night, which is getting tiresome. At the moment Rafa likes him, the squad likes him, and i like him.

As ive said, i think kuyt is better against better players, he works so hard that against class players with his running but against lesser teams he gets a bit lost playing out of position.

Some people will never like Kuyt, and some people will stick up for him. Lets just say this, he made us TEN MILLION POUNDS last night, that should give hima little bit of respect off you

Most sensible post in this thread . Kuyt is and never will be a great  player , but every team needs it's Dirk Kuyts and once we get the right hand side sorted ,hopeffully before the transfer window ends . You will see him revert to his more natural position of second striker . Where he will work his off ,help creat chances and hopefully knock a few in himself . He is not great ,but he is not as bad as some are making out.

[GYBS]

some people expectations of him are way to high

how much did he cost?  Damn right expectations are high from him. the guy was signed as a forward and was moved to midfield because he is a failure up front and now he is a failure on the right.last season we had people blaming it on his dads sad death, now its blamed on him being out of position. whats wrong with just standing up and saying "the guy is not good enough"

nothing personal against the guy, but on pure footballing terms he is not good enough (along with a few other players i might add but our league positions the last few seasons make that pretty obvious)

cost between 9 mil and 10 mil .

how did he fail when he was our leagues top goalscorere first season ?

How did he fail last season when he was only behind gerrard in assists - top scorer in cl and only behind torres and gerrard in goals scored once again ?

so explain how that is a failure ?

[Igor Zidane]

but he isnt always the scapegoat, but his performances are normally stand out poor

yes he always is the scapegoat - you see it on forums all round the place and its normally always the same small minority of people who constantly critize the guy no matter what he does - seen it on at least 4 forums .

his first season he did very well for us - top scorer in the prem and played well all season long

first half of last season wasnt his best but that was prob down to the fact he lost his father .

second half of the season he played in a different role - right forward and once again played very well doing a crucial role in the cl and for holland in the euros .

start of this season he gets played right mid in a 442 - not his position and doesnt do well - but not many other players are playing better than him and some worse yet they dont get singled out

last night in second half he gets moved forward a bit more and low and behold what happens next - he starts playing well again - finding space - creating chances and pops up with a crucial goal -

evidence is right there to see.

last season the scapegoat was riise, so whats your point?  bad players can not be called bad as that makes them a scapegoat?

doesnt make sense mate, bad players are bad players full stop, thats not being a scapegoat, personally i think the failure at liverpool is rafa, its his squad, its his selections, its his tactics, and dont dare say he has had no money

He has had no money .




























ok maybe he's had a little bit of money . Sack him .

[RedEire]

Kuyt goals was crucial in the sense that we have got through to the CL proper - fair dues to the lad for getting in the box when required.  However, his overall performance - along with the other 9 outfield players - was very poor.  The amount of times that he lost the ball in the middle of the field was ridiculous - if a kid lost so much possession in a game you would take him off.  Several times he lost possession when we were on the break and as said before, momentum was lost - and possible scores lost.
I was amused to hear Rafa comment on the goal and the benefit of having wingers !!!!!  The goal came from the only time in 120 minutes that a Liverpool player tried to beat his man on the wing, head for the corner and whip a ball into the box. 
Babel is a right footed player and persistently has to turn back in to cross when playing on the left - maybe its because of this and the lack of confidence to cross with his left that results in him cutting into the middle - try him on the right and see what he can do.
El Zhar showed that he has some skill and pace - like Kuyt he lost possession quite a bit but he also showed something and tried to get past defenders.
Gerrard is not fit enough yet - groin injury - and has looked off the pace so i would not consider him for the right just yet - him missing for the next two weeks is unfortunate considering we have the Mancs saturday week and chances are he will not be fit for this game
Keane - has yet to gel with Torres with only 1 goal from our £40 million strikeforce in four competitive games - is it because they are too similar ??  Would Keane be better playing on the right and supplying the crosses and coming into the box for crosses coming in from the left.  There is no point in the arguement that he is a £20 million striker and must play there if he is not scoring when is this position.  As has been said before - perhaps he is trying too hard and just needs to relax and enjoy his football

[112-1077774096]

some people expectations of him are way to high

how much did he cost?  Damn right expectations are high from him. the guy was signed as a forward and was moved to midfield because he is a failure up front and now he is a failure on the right.last season we had people blaming it on his dads sad death, now its blamed on him being out of position. whats wrong with just standing up and saying "the guy is not good enough"

nothing personal against the guy, but on pure footballing terms he is not good enough (along with a few other players i might add but our league positions the last few seasons make that pretty obvious)

cost between 9 mil and 10 mil .

how did he fail when he was our leagues top goalscorere first season ?

How did he fail last season when he was only behind gerrard in assists - top scorer in cl and only behind torres and gerrard in goals scored once again ?

so explain how that is a failure ?

how many did he score that season? how many did gerrard score last season? how many did torres score last season? how many did crouch score (i think overall he scored more than kuyt despite playing less games)

can you see what i am getting at, he was a forward who scored minimal goals.


ok answer me this. if we didnt have torres would you be happy with kuyt leading the line (bare in mind thats what he was signed for)