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[GYBS]

but he isnt always the scapegoat, but his performances are normally stand out poor

yes he always is the scapegoat - you see it on forums all round the place and its normally always the same small minority of people who constantly critize the guy no matter what he does - seen it on at least 4 forums .

his first season he did very well for us - top scorer in the prem and played well all season long

first half of last season wasnt his best but that was prob down to the fact he lost his father .

second half of the season he played in a different role - right forward and once again played very well doing a crucial role in the cl and for holland in the euros .

start of this season he gets played right mid in a 442 - not his position and doesnt do well - but not many other players are playing better than him and some worse yet they dont get singled out

last night in second half he gets moved forward a bit more and low and behold what happens next - he starts playing well again - finding space - creating chances and pops up with a crucial goal -

evidence is right there to see.

last season the scapegoat was riise, so whats your point?  bad players can not be called bad as that makes them a scapegoat?

doesnt make sense mate, bad players are bad players full stop, thats not being a scapegoat, personally i think the failure at liverpool is rafa, its his squad, its his selections, its his tactics, and dont dare say he has had no money

can see why people think you hate kuyt as you seem to ignore all the points positive about kuyt . kuyt is not a bad player - both torres and gerrard have stated how important he is ? whats your views on that then ? are they both wrong as well ? as i have stated before in torres words " if it wasnt for kuyts running and work i wouldnt of scored as many as i did last season"

and now you change your angle of attack towards rafa ? yes he has had money but nothing like what the other 3 in the top 4 can spend and many times has had to settle for second choice .

last season scapgoat wasnt riise - people give him cause of his own goal but kuyt was still the scapegoat .

[GYBS]

some people expectations of him are way to high

how much did he cost?  Damn right expectations are high from him. the guy was signed as a forward and was moved to midfield because he is a failure up front and now he is a failure on the right.last season we had people blaming it on his dads sad death, now its blamed on him being out of position. whats wrong with just standing up and saying "the guy is not good enough"

nothing personal against the guy, but on pure footballing terms he is not good enough (along with a few other players i might add but our league positions the last few seasons make that pretty obvious)

cost between 9 mil and 10 mil .

how did he fail when he was our leagues top goalscorere first season ?

How did he fail last season when he was only behind gerrard in assists - top scorer in cl and only behind torres and gerrard in goals scored once again ?

so explain how that is a failure ?

how many did he score that season? how many did gerrard score last season? how many did torres score last season? how many did crouch score (i think overall he scored more than kuyt despite playing less games)

can you see what i am getting at, he was a forward who scored minimal goals.


ok answer me this. if we didnt have torres would you be happy with kuyt leading the line (bare in mind thats what he was signed for)

i think he scored 14 or 15 - i know it was exactly the same amount as berbatov - the same berbatov people are thinking is the greatest thing around .

oh and im pretty sure kuyt was signed as a second striker to play a bit deeper and not lead the line . and we have got torres so that point is pretty moot really .

keep clutching those straws you might and i mean just might find one that is your size.

[112-1077774096]

i think you will find on this forum that riise was the scapegoat well before the chelsea game mate, as for rafa well its no secret that i have been on his back for the last two seasons so you are wrong on that as well

as for kuyts good points, i mention them in the opening post, he gives 100%, as for gerrard and torres, do you really think they would slate a tesm mate but i am sure they both know his shortcomings

not clutching at any straws mate, i am consistent in my belief and will not alter it until i see consistent form from kuyt and the ability to hold the ball, or even trap the ball

[GYBS]

just as i thought ignoring the points being mentioned to you .

[RUSHIE#9]

Some of the criticism aimed at Kuyt is fair IMO as he does at times lack the top notch quality that Liverpool FC needs/demands of it's players.

Playing on the right of a 442 formation isn't doing the guy any favours and for that any blame has to be put at Rafa's door for using him there.
Last season in the more advanced role he did look a lot better and did provide a fair amount of ammunition for Torres whether it be putting balls in for him or simply dragging defenders away from Torres. In the current deeper role though he hasn't got the trickery or pace to make him effective and he does become a bit of a walking cul-de-sac for many of our attacks leading to the criticism.

Like everyone else I can't knock him for his work ethic and 110% commitment to the cause and as a person he comes across as a decent guy. I will knock him though for his poor ball control, on too many occasions it leads to any pace in our attacks being nullified.

Kuyt does have a place in the squad as he does come up with some crucial goals and when Plan A isn't working he can provide a different angle but as part of that Plan A in it's current guise I just don't think he fits in. Rafa needs to see this and either change the plan or change the player.
If Rafa sticks with the plan then he needs to move Gerrard or Babel to the right or give young El Zhar a go if he's not going to strengthen the squad in that area.

[Dutchsky]

but he isnt always the scapegoat, but his performances are normally stand out poor

yes he always is the scapegoat - you see it on forums all round the place and its normally always the same small minority of people who constantly critize the guy no matter what he does - seen it on at least 4 forums .

his first season he did very well for us - top scorer in the prem and played well all season long

first half of last season wasnt his best but that was prob down to the fact he lost his father .

second half of the season he played in a different role - right forward and once again played very well doing a crucial role in the cl and for holland in the euros .

start of this season he gets played right mid in a 442 - not his position and doesnt do well - but not many other players are playing better than him and some worse yet they dont get singled out

last night in second half he gets moved forward a bit more and low and behold what happens next - he starts playing well again - finding space - creating chances and pops up with a crucial goal -

evidence is right there to see.

last season the scapegoat was riise, so whats your point? 

Nope Kuyt

[112-1077774096]

just as i thought ignoring the points being mentioned to you .

not at all, read the thread and you will see they are already covered, i dont need to go  round in circles mate because you dont understand the earlier posts

we can go back and forwards all night mate, we have different opinions. live with it

[puroresu]

Kuyt was overpriced and we could of got a lot better with that kind of money.

[Rafa D]

Read that Kuyt scored in every single round of the Champions League last year until our exit and he carried that on last night.

[GOAT_2.0]

I remember when we first signed the guy, everyone expecting him to be a goal machine or something 

Good first season, 12 league goals, hey I reckon he's going to get the bulk of the goals in his second season with Torres there to supply him!

Legend that Dirk

Ah well, since been moved to the right cos he couldnt score in a brothel and hes "working hard"

I'm certainly not his biggest fan and I think we could do with a lot better player out on the right but he will do for now, Rafa obviously sees something in him, go get em kuyt

[GYBS]

just as i thought ignoring the points being mentioned to you .

not at all, read the thread and you will see they are already covered, i dont need to go  round in circles mate because you dont understand the earlier posts

we can go back and forwards all night mate, we have different opinions. live with it

so are people like torres and gerrard and rafa wrong then ?

[metalhead]

I remember rating Kuyt very highly back in the WC 2006 (ask John Craig )

Boy was I wrong. Kuyt is a good player, he is, he isn't rubbish or ''I've seen better sunday league players'' type. However, he is not good enough for any top side in any league, He won't win you the premiership or even close to be in a title winning squad. I would say he is a good backup player thats about it and he is more suited for mid table teams because he will do well with his work rate, commitment and solidity. He doesn't lose the ball as Luis Garcia or Babel, he can hold it pretty well but he doesn't know what to do with it next.

He did well in the 2nd half of last season because the team was doing well. 10m? he should be valued around 4m not more not less.

[DLS]

he's , sell him.

he's not good enough on the right wing, he's not good enough up front. let's try him in goal see if he suceeds there. if all we want is players who can run for a long time we should take a few Kenyans and Ethopians from the Olympics, they're great long distance runners. what anybody sees in Kuyt is beyond me. awful player.

[LFC2007]

Kuyt was the new Fowler, the new Mark Hughes, a player who reminded someone of Roger Hunt, absolutely fantastic, our best striker along with Bellamy, class...end of etc...

Comments in his first season, in his second season he was 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a joke, a 'clown', a disgrace, sh!t, w@nk, bo.llocks etc..

It's amazing how people can change their opinions so radically.

One extreme to the other.

[ConnO'var]

just as i thought ignoring the points being mentioned to you .

not at all, read the thread and you will see they are already covered, i dont need to go  round in circles mate because you dont understand the earlier posts

we can go back and forwards all night mate, we have different opinions. live with it

so are people like torres and gerrard and rafa wrong then ?

Torres and Gerrard's not likely to go out and slate a team mate are they?

Especially as Kuyt's done nothing wrong except put in 100% effort everytime. It's not his fault that he's not good enough.... he's grabbed his chance at a big club and gave it his all... nothing wrong with that.

Rafa was mistaken in his initial appraisal of the player's attributes and misguided in continuing to persist with him even when his limitations are sorely on display week in and week out.