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by **Fauxy** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:02 pm

Penguins.. I have to ask, who would you like to see managing us?

by **maguskwt** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:05 pm

how bout Gianfranco Zola then... I heard he's struggling to keep his job at West Ham... surely he will play attacking football...

by **Penguins** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:08 pm

Well, someone who hasn't got been known right now as "world class" but someone with a vision, a philosophy of a more balanced view than Rafa(less negativity, but responsible defensivly). Who that person is or where he might be right now is not the issue, it is up to the decision-makers at the club to stretch out its "feelers", scout hard and make a smart and wise decision of who will lead us forward.

I don't expect miracles, just improvment and belief for the future.

More honesty and playing it nice with the press wouldn't hurt as it isn't fun at all having the press against you and a manager that says "we controlled the game" in every interview...

I mean pass and move will never go out of fashion. It is all about making runs and about trusting your skilled players to do what they do best with their game intelligence.

In PL you need speed, skill and a positive approach, besides quality players of course. All bottom teams set up shop in front of goals and they are physical, have pace and will run all day as long as they are in the game. It's all about going for the kill vs those teams and using skill and go at them.
That is if you trust you players....

Excuse me for saying this, but Zola and also Martinez at Wigan are naive and st***d. Trying to play overly optimistic with players like Diamanti will get you in trouble.

by **Fauxy** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:29 pm

We would all love a manager like that. But be realistic, we arent gonna find one.

We have to go for a manager who has proven himself to be able to win things and someone who knows how to get a team to play good football. Frank Rijkaard is the man. And I shouldnt imagine he would cost more than Rafa? He's at Galatasaray.. they arent exactly moneybags themselves

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:33 pm

Yeah, whats the point of keeping and paying huge salaries to players like Torres, Gerrard, Masch, Reina etc, we can't win anything, no decent manager will want to manage us anyway so we may as well just sell them off and bring in cheap cr@p from the 2nd division. Get Warnock or Fat Sam in to manage them..... at least the football will be better.

FFS get a grip on yourselves. We are fecking Liverpool, and while that may not have the same impact as 20 years ago we are still one of the biggest names in world football. Managers dream of managing us, players still would love to come here FFS.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:43 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
maguskwt wrote:so what's the use if the new manager couldn't give us No.19 then? the current anti-rafa brigade's gonna turn upon the new manager after 2 seasons and become anti- 'new manager' anyway... and we'll have thise whole episode of calling the new manager things like clown, fat whatever... bringing the club down, killing the club etc etc.... what's new on here...

Don't tar everyone with the same brush mate. It might get like that on matchdays when people log in to vent there anger but there a significant number of fans on here who have come around to the idea of a new manager slowly, reluctantly and in their own time, who respect and are thankful for great nights he has given but also realistic enough to see that we need a change.

A new man might not deleiver number 19 BUT I don't think he'd have us struggling in 6th/7th position crossing our fingers for help to snatch 4th place on the last days of the season either.

I ask then would the new manager be as successful as Rafa in Europe? Bar this season, Rafa's record in the CL spoke for itself.

Rafa's record in Europe is fantastic mate, absolutely superb + has given some of the most adrenlaine fuelled night sof me life over the past 5 years. But our European successs doesn't (and shouldn't) disguise what has been a very poor effort (over 6 seasons) in our own league. For the first time in Rafa's reign we have really struggled in Europe and I think that has brought our domestic struggles further into the spotlight.

I'm happy to acknowledge Rafa has a superb record in Europe. Are you happy to acknowledge that his record in the EPL over the same period (6 years) has been poor? It seems to me that not many posters (who are still in full support of the manager) are.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:49 pm

Penguins wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Ben Patrick wrote:nail on the head for me from Saint there.

Thats my main gripe with most fans that are still behind Rafa.
It appears to me that they think we are doing all we can and that whoever was manager this season would have been the same.
To me thats ludicrous, someone else could come in and get more from these players.
Christ sake Rafa won the champions league with houlliers failing team.
Sometimes a change is needed.

Maybe the players have just lost motivation with the way the season has gone as opposed to the man in charge - if they cant give 100% for the club because of the guy in charge then they need to take a big hard look at themsleves and ask if they deserve they massive amount of money given to them

People think bringing someone new in would all of a sudden turn things around and watch us win the league etc ?

What happens when it doesnt next season with a new manager ?

Demand another new one ? then the same with the next season

So has Capello NOT improved England then. He has more or less the same players as McClaren did but from my impartial position I would have to say that England look a far far better team now.

It is ridiculous to suggest a new manager can't change the fortunes of a club, when it has happened time after time after time. Were you saying the same thing before Rafa took over?

Besides the fact that Mclaren is not even a PL class manager, managing a club compared to a national team is very different.

Penguins, I think you have completely missed his point ie. the concept that a different manager can come in and achieve better results/more success with the same/similar group of players. Just because he has used an international manager as an example does not mean he doesn't have a good point.

Rafa took a group of players that struggled to get past the like of Basle in the Chmpions League group atafes in 2003/04 and turned them into the Champions of Europe the following season. It happens ya know. It can happen again.

PS. check that mate, having read your next post it seems we ar epretty much in agreement :cool:

by **Penguins** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:30 pm

s@int wrote:Yeah, whats the point of keeping and paying huge salaries to players like Torres, Gerrard, Masch, Reina etc, we can't win anything, no decent manager will want to manage us anyway so we may as well just sell them off and bring in cheap cr@p from the 2nd division. Get Warnock or Fat Sam in to manage them..... at least the football will be better.

FFS get a grip on yourselves. We are fecking Liverpool, and while that may not have the same impact as 20 years ago we are still one of the biggest names in world football. Managers dream of managing us, players still would love to come here FFS.

Why?

Cause we need them to fight for a place in the CL and the revenues that bring and have the chance to win the league cup, FA cup or Europa league.

Did I say no decent manager doesn't want to manage us?
No, I said no top class manager will come and get half of what he wants from other clubs just cause he will be managing Liverpool, a club in turmoil and no financial stability.

If for example Mourinho or whoever wants 10 million to go to RM which has a great history and most successful club in Europa and Spain, why would any such manager go to LFC for 4-5 million?

Just nonsense.... :no

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:20 pm

Why should Torres come to Liverpool when he could have got more with other teams. While your world seems to revolve around money, most players/managers do have other priorities alongside the money. Kaka wouldn't join Citeh, Ribery has today said he wants to go to Spain rather than Chelsea because of his wife etc etc.

We will always attract top managers and players because we are a big club with a large fan base and surprisingly we still pay top wages in an area where the cost of living is relatively cheap in comparison with say London. Maybe we can't compete with the likes of Madrid, or Chelsea but neither can most other clubs.

At the moment Spain is probably the top destination for both players and managers because of the exchange rate, climate, low cost of living and low tax rate, however the lure of the premiership and the FACT that Mourinho has already said that he does not want to manage in Spain may enable us to tempt him or someone of similar standard to come. He may be tempted by the lure of the Euro, then again he may decide that he wants to be a manager rather than a coach and go where he has said he would LIKE to manage ......in the premiership.

Personally I have no worries about us attracting a top manager, my main concerns are that people are so accustomed to failure and have such low asperations that we won't change manager.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:51 pm

Im sure when torres was signed he said it was the lure of playing for liverpool but he also said that Rafa helped him make his mind up about joining us - same with when Pepe signed and Masher - all claiming that Rafa was an influence in them signing for the club .

p.s. Mowbray is available now

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:53 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:p.s. Mowbray is available now

Yeah, thats about the height of your ambition mate

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:53 pm

Is it really

:;):

by **Penguins** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:05 pm

s@int wrote:Why should Torres come to Liverpool when he could have got more with other teams. While your world seems to revolve around money, most players/managers do have other priorities alongside the money. Kaka wouldn't join Citeh, Ribery has today said he wants to go to Spain rather than Chelsea because of his wife etc etc.

We will always attract top managers and players because we are a big club with a large fan base and surprisingly we still pay top wages in an area where the cost of living is relatively cheap in comparison with say London. Maybe we can't compete with the likes of Madrid, or Chelsea but neither can most other clubs.

At the moment Spain is probably the top destination for both players and managers because of the exchange rate, climate, low cost of living and low tax rate, however the lure of the premiership and the FACT that Mourinho has already said that he does not want to manage in Spain may enable us to tempt him or someone of similar standard to come. He may be tempted by the lure of the Euro, then again he may decide that he wants to be a manager rather than a coach and go where he has said he would LIKE to manage ......in the premiership.

Personally I have no worries about us attracting a top manager, my main concerns are that people are so accustomed to failure and have such low asperations that we won't change manager.

You are mentioning exceptions to the rule instead of the normal case.

Righnt now we are abig club but what makes you say it will be like that forever? Leeds was in the semis of the CL 2003 and 2 years later making it's way in the championship. I am not saying it will happen but saying things like that as a certainty is in my eyes foolish. Newcastle has a big fan base and as you can see with them if the club is mismanaged you will suffer the consequences.

When Torres came we were a much better proposition than today. We had just been to our 2nd CL final in 3 years, had not dicovered that our owners were actually rotten to the core and would not invest in the team we still thought a stadium was on the way.

It is soon not only RM or Chelski we can't compete with but also Manure, Arsenal, City, Spurs and even more if the situation is allowed to continue.

Let me just say this about Mourinho. If he chooses us for less than what other clubs are offering cause we are Liverpool then I will stand up and tip my hat off and admit I am totally wrong.
Can you do the same if I am proved right?

I just believe money talks in the end much more than you.
For every "Ribery" there are 50 "Gareth Barry"!

by **LFC2007** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:24 pm

s@int wrote:....and the FACT that Mourinho has already said that he does not want to manage in Spain...

I'm not disputing whether he'd join us (I'd like to think he would). A small point of fact, though. Before the Chelsea game I think it was, he said in a TV interview that he had three objectives left in his career. Those were i) To win La Liga (to be the first manager to win the 'big three' as it were) ii) To manage in England again, and, iii) To manage Portugal (when he gets older).

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:27 pm

I also think that top managers would come to us because they realise our team is pretty good and with a few tweeks we could actually start competing every season. They would then become "the mamnager that brought Liverpool No 19", they would be idolised by every Kopite and it would be a huge "tick" on their CV.

I think Mourinio would love to come to Liverpool. He has seen the way the fans back the team (and the manager) even when they are failing and he has seen first hand the power that Anfield has.

It is his dream to manager a club like ours and for me he is the ideal replacement because somehow he gets all players beleiving they are the best players in the world and the confidence grows. Rafa destroys players with his criticism IMHO

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