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by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:27 pm

s@int wrote:Not all Benny , he has bought a fair bit of cr@p, but I am pretty sure with the right manager they will be performing above and beyond the call of duty and the cups will come rolling in.

Are the clouds pink and fluffy in that world as well

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:33 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:Not all Benny , he has bought a fair bit of cr@p, but I am pretty sure with the right manager they will be performing above and beyond the call of duty and the cups will come rolling in.

Are the clouds pink and fluffy in that world as well

You seemed to think Rafa can turn it around next season , I am sure Mourinho can

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:34 pm

s@int wrote:Not all mate , he has bought a fair bit of cr@p, but I am pretty sure with the right manager they will be performing above and beyond the call of duty and the cups will come rolling in.

Ok i'll play along saint . Say rafa gets sacked or resigns and we get whichever manager you want . Do you think with the financial restraints the new manager will still have , and the squad he will still have playing probably in the uefa cup . That said manager (whomever he is ) will have the cups coming rolling in? I'm not talking about Rafa here or his good and bad points . I'm talking about the new man in charge . How is he going to rebuild a squad to challenge for the league , a squad which is obviously not good enough at the minute (rafa's fault or not ) . He will not be able to go and get villa unless he sells torres or messi unless he sells torres and gerrard . Any manager coming in is on a loser from the off if the fans expect him to compete in all comps like we have been before this season .

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:37 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:Not all Benny , he has bought a fair bit of cr@p, but I am pretty sure with the right manager they will be performing above and beyond the call of duty and the cups will come rolling in.

Are the clouds pink and fluffy in that world as well

You seemed to think Rafa can turn it around next season , I am sure Mourinho can

its rafas players and i didnt go overboard going on about trophies rolling in

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:39 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:Not all mate , he has bought a fair bit of cr@p, but I am pretty sure with the right manager they will be performing above and beyond the call of duty and the cups will come rolling in.

Ok i'll play along saint . Say rafa gets sacked or resigns and we get whichever manager you want . Do you think with the financial restraints the new manager will still have , and the squad he will still have playing probably in the uefa cup . That said manager (whomever he is ) will have the cups coming rolling in? I'm not talking about Rafa here or his good and bad points . I'm talking about the new man in charge . How is he going to rebuild a squad to challenge for the league , a squad which is obviously not good enough at the minute (rafa's fault or not ) . He will not be able to go and get villa unless he sells torres or messi unless he sells torres and gerrard . Any manager coming in is on a loser from the off if the fans expect him to compete in all comps like we have been before this season .

saint says it will all be done through the new investment

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:41 pm

What new investment ?

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:42 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:What new investment ?

i have asked that question but got no answer yet

by **Greavesie** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:47 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What new investment ?

i have asked that question but got no answer yet

did you not hear?

Rafa mentioned that next season there's going to be significant investment at the club and that Insua has to persuade Messi to come over

Thought you would have heard by now...

by **Igor Zidane** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:49 pm

Greavesie wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What new investment ?

i have asked that question but got no answer yet

did you not hear?

Rafa mentioned that next season there's going to be significant investment at the club and that Insua has to persuade Messi to come over

Thought you would have heard by now...

Oh yeah that one ? i forgot , Happy days then .

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:49 pm

Greavesie wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:What new investment ?

i have asked that question but got no answer yet

did you not hear?

Rafa mentioned that next season there's going to be significant investment at the club and that Insua has to persuade Messi to come over

Thought you would have heard by now...

by **Scottbot** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:51 pm

Penguins wrote:Did Purslow lie to SOS about the fact that LFC would only be able to spend the money from sales during the summer?

Ok, it's from Koptalk but saw this on their forum:

Last 4 years net spend:

Villa: 82.3M
Everton: 18.2M
Tottenham: 74.0M
Liverpool: 61M
Birmingham: 18m
Fulham: 22m
Sunderland: 71m
Man City: 246M
Arsenal: -35M!
Man Utd: 9M (89M without the ronaldo sale)

just thought this was interesting for all those who are saying what a great job o'neill has done and trying to claim he hasn't spent much ...... the guy has taken a top 6 club and turned it into a top 8 club while spending more than almost everyone else around them!

anyone like to explain why the useless tit is so highly rated when he is so blatantly average at best?

Fair point on Purslow BUT your comments are STILL speculative because the summer has not arrived yet. The tight tw...a...t bas...t...a...r...ds might actually put in some of the money they have recouped from their sport franchise sales in the US (not holding my breath), or we may finally manage to bring a bit more investment into the club, we will see.

I don't know about the spending stats dude and it seems to depend where you do your reading.

Times online list "Liverpool total net spend 2004-09: £122m loss" and if you factor out 04-05 is stands at £91 million. unfortunately they do no list Villa's transfers in the same period.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol....&page=1

Personally, O'neil wouldn't be my first choice, not sure who is to be honest, but for me, he has a good track record. I think he got three promotions fro Wycombe (starting in the conference), he won a couple of trophies with Leicester and turned them into a mid-table (or a bit higher?) Premiership side, he got Celtic to a European final (where they lost to Porto), he's doing a good job at Villa where they looked to be pushing Arsenal our of 4th spot for most of last season only to run out of steam, the same seems to be happening to them this season. He's got them to an FA Cup final and is on the brink of another this time around.

We could do worse.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:53 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
s@int wrote:Not all mate , he has bought a fair bit of cr@p, but I am pretty sure with the right manager they will be performing above and beyond the call of duty and the cups will come rolling in.

Ok i'll play along saint . Say rafa gets sacked or resigns and we get whichever manager you want . Do you think with the financial restraints the new manager will still have , and the squad he will still have playing probably in the uefa cup . That said manager (whomever he is ) will have the cups coming rolling in? I'm not talking about Rafa here or his good and bad points . I'm talking about the new man in charge . How is he going to rebuild a squad to challenge for the league , a squad which is obviously not good enough at the minute (rafa's fault or not ) . He will not be able to go and get villa unless he sells torres or messi unless he sells torres and gerrard . Any manager coming in is on a loser from the off if the fans expect him to compete in all comps like we have been before this season .

This is were I disagree with the Rafa supporters Igor. I think we have a good team that is not performing anywhere near to its potential. We have 5 world class players, Englands best right back, a couple of excellent cb's a £20million pound midfield player, and a few decent squad players. A pretty good basis for ANY manager.

The problem we have is we are not getting anything like the best out of these players, and I believe that we need them all to be playing to their potential if we are going to see the cups rolling in. (Either that or a couple of £100million)

We won NOTHING the year before Dalglish took over, we won the league and cup double in his first season. He bought only one player yet still managed to turn things around.

If we had the money , maybe we could afford to wait and see if Rafa could turn things around( however unlikely), we don't have the money so we can't wait and do nothing, we need to bring in a manager that can inspire the players and get more out of them.

Its either that or just accepting that we can't compete and the inevitable slide to midtable obscurity.

I believe that when Rafa came he inspired a lot of underperforming players who no longer believed in the manager, I think we need a new manager capable of doing the very same thing now.

Your argument is like saying Crouch only scored 14 goals from the chances we created...... why should Torres score any more than that?

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:58 pm

yet in fagans first year we won the league and euro cup saint plus league cup and the year before kenny took over we were second in league and runners up in euro cup- the team wasnt much different that next season , they just had a poor season .so kenny took over a very successful team

and in your situation you say every time the team has a poor season we must change the manager and not give him time to tun it around

by **Scottbot** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:00 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Ok i'll play along saint . Say rafa gets sacked or resigns and we get whichever manager you want . Do you think with the financial restraints the new manager will still have , and the squad he will still have playing probably in the uefa cup . That said manager (whomever he is ) will have the cups coming rolling in? I'm not talking about Rafa here or his good and bad points . I'm talking about the new man in charge . How is he going to rebuild a squad to challenge for the league , a squad which is obviously not good enough at the minute (rafa's fault or not ) . He will not be able to go and get villa unless he sells torres or messi unless he sells torres and gerrard . Any manager coming in is on a loser from the off if the fans expect him to compete in all comps like we have been before this season .

All good points as usual Igor, a new manager coming in may well be hamstrung but Rafa has to operate in the same conditions an I've simply lost all faith in his abilities to turn things around. How will Rafa rebuild the squad in the current set-up? Why should it be anymore difficult for a new man? The worry is that Rafa may regard areas that many of us think are poor (eg. left back) as being just fine going into another season, he seemed to think that baout our forward line going into this current season. I've seen so may errors this past season and the football has been as bad as I can remember. I've lost all confidence, I fought it for a while but I want to see someone else in the hot seat. i'll be forever grateful for some of the truly amazing nights Rafa has given us but could things really be any worse than this with a new man at the helm?

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:03 am

Benny The Noon wrote:yet in fagans first year we won the league and euro cup saint plus league cup and the year before kenny took over we were second in league and runners up in euro cup- the team wasnt much different that next season , they just had a poor season .so kenny took over a very successful team

No mate they just lost Souness! Thats why they won nothing.

Dalglish took over a side that finished 13 points behind Everton and won the league and cup with it.

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