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by **GYBS** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:40 pm

But they did mick - they all left some years ago so whats the point in going back - where any of them better than kuyt (maybe bar crouch ) they are went good enough for us and left for a reason and that reason is they did produce the goods for us - maybe bar crocuh but he wanted first team football . yes some things havent gone right for a second striker - rafa spent 20 mil on the wrong player that didnt work out but its done now and we must move and look to the future and possile future players as opposed to going over players that left two or three season ago .

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:46 pm

GYBS wrote:where any of them better than kuyt (maybe bar crouch )

Read the earlier post, I've already given my opinion on that. Stop smothering the thread though with nonsense, it's absolutely painful.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:47 pm

GYBS wrote:But they did mick - they all left some years ago so whats the point in going back - where any of them better than kuyt (maybe bar crouch ) they are went good enough for us and left for a reason and that reason is they did produce the goods for us - maybe bar crocuh but he wanted first team football . yes some things havent gone right for a second striker - rafa spent 20 mil on the wrong player that didnt work out but its done now and we must move and look to the future and possile future players as opposed to going over players that left two or three season ago .

Fair enough, I will accept that Keane was the wrong striker, but don't you think it would have been a good idea to bring in a replacement if we were going to sell him?

Don't you think it may have been better to make an earlier decision to sell him than one hour before the window closed. Or do you think it was that vital 8 minutes he played in his final match for us that finally clinched he wasn't going to make it ?

by **GYBS** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:50 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:But they did mick - they all left some years ago so whats the point in going back - where any of them better than kuyt (maybe bar crouch ) they are went good enough for us and left for a reason and that reason is they did produce the goods for us - maybe bar crocuh but he wanted first team football . yes some things havent gone right for a second striker - rafa spent 20 mil on the wrong player that didnt work out but its done now and we must move and look to the future and possile future players as opposed to going over players that left two or three season ago .

Fair enough, I will accept that Keane was the wrong striker, but don't you think it would have been a good idea to bring in a replacement if we were going to sell him?

Don't you think it may have been better to make an earlier decision to sell him than one hour before the window closed. Or do you think it was that vital 8 minutes he played in his final match for us that finally clinched he wasn't going to make it ?

oh i agree that a replacement should of been brought in and most people do and it looks like rafa did try and replace keane with this brazillian kerrison guy - but talking about baros and cisse and bellamy being better than kuyt ? Baors ? surely everyone remembers how poor he really was and bellamy couldnt score for toffee for us and was outscored by kuyt in the one season they were together and cisse was all pace no brain . and these guys left years ago so why go back over them once again .

and as for the lateness of the deal i can only think that he was going to stay until spurs came in for a bid that liverpool knew they wouldnt get in the summer .

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:54 pm

Any sane person (or dare I say it anyone who has "a clue") would know that as of now, we could really do with one of Milan Baros, Djibril Cisse, Robbie Keane, Craig Bellamy or Peter Crouch as they are ALL better strikers than ANY of our stand ins for Torres. That to me isn't progress, it isn't the result of a well thought out plan (or if it is the plan was b0ll0cks), it's the result of the type of management which will prevent us from winning the title anytime soon.

by **GYBS** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:57 pm

well keane has already tried and it didnt work out - bellamy and baros didnt score enough goals for us as a striker . Cisse was never good enough for us adue to the fact he was all pace and no brain and proved that . Crouch is the oly one people would want back but he himself made the mvoes to leave and we replaced him with keane who in turn didnt work out . So you can say they are all this that and the other but they have all had opportunities here at liverpool and didnt take them bar crouch . Now i think most people woudl rather look to the future and who we may get in instead of being spurs and looking back at players we have sold on .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:57 pm

GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:But they did mick - they all left some years ago so whats the point in going back - where any of them better than kuyt (maybe bar crouch ) they are went good enough for us and left for a reason and that reason is they did produce the goods for us - maybe bar crocuh but he wanted first team football . yes some things havent gone right for a second striker - rafa spent 20 mil on the wrong player that didnt work out but its done now and we must move and look to the future and possile future players as opposed to going over players that left two or three season ago .

Fair enough, I will accept that Keane was the wrong striker, but don't you think it would have been a good idea to bring in a replacement if we were going to sell him?

Don't you think it may have been better to make an earlier decision to sell him than one hour before the window closed. Or do you think it was that vital 8 minutes he played in his final match for us that finally clinched he wasn't going to make it ?

oh i agree that a replacement should of been brought in and most people do and it looks like rafa did try and replace keane with this brazillian kerrison guy - but talking about baros and cisse and bellamy being better than kuyt ? Baors ? surely everyone remembers how poor he really was and bellamy couldnt score for toffee for us and was outscored by kuyt in the one season they were together and cisse was all pace no brain . and these guys left years ago so why go back over them once again .

and as for the lateness of the deal i can only think that he was going to stay until spurs came in for a bid that liverpool knew they wouldnt get in the summer .

Supposedly Keane's agent was negotiating on behalf of Liverpool and Keane with Spurs in November. When was it Lawrenson made his "mistake" about Keane leaving ?

I am pretty sure that the decision to sell Keane was taken a while ago mate. Maybe the negotiations went on a lot longer than expected, but the decision to sell him was made a while ago imo.

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:00 pm

GYBS wrote:well keane has already tried and it didnt work out - bellamy and baros didnt score enough goals for us as a striker . Cisse was never good enough for us adue to the fact he was all pace and no brain and proved that . Crouch is the oly one people would want back but he himself made the mvoes to leave and we replaced him with keane who in turn didnt work out . So you can say they are all this that and the other but they have all had opportunities here at liverpool and didnt take them bar crouch . Now i think most people woudl rather look to the future and who we may get in instead of being spurs and looking back at players we have sold on .

Well done, point and thread well and truly smothered. I give up. Time as you rightly say to move on, I'll come back to it when you're not around.

by **GYBS** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:00 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:But they did mick - they all left some years ago so whats the point in going back - where any of them better than kuyt (maybe bar crouch ) they are went good enough for us and left for a reason and that reason is they did produce the goods for us - maybe bar crocuh but he wanted first team football . yes some things havent gone right for a second striker - rafa spent 20 mil on the wrong player that didnt work out but its done now and we must move and look to the future and possile future players as opposed to going over players that left two or three season ago .

Fair enough, I will accept that Keane was the wrong striker, but don't you think it would have been a good idea to bring in a replacement if we were going to sell him?

Don't you think it may have been better to make an earlier decision to sell him than one hour before the window closed. Or do you think it was that vital 8 minutes he played in his final match for us that finally clinched he wasn't going to make it ?

oh i agree that a replacement should of been brought in and most people do and it looks like rafa did try and replace keane with this brazillian kerrison guy - but talking about baros and cisse and bellamy being better than kuyt ? Baors ? surely everyone remembers how poor he really was and bellamy couldnt score for toffee for us and was outscored by kuyt in the one season they were together and cisse was all pace no brain . and these guys left years ago so why go back over them once again .

and as for the lateness of the deal i can only think that he was going to stay until spurs came in for a bid that liverpool knew they wouldnt get in the summer .

Supposedly Keane's agent was negotiating on behalf of Liverpool and Keane with Spurs in November. When was it Lawrenson made his "mistake" about Keane leaving ?

I am pretty sure that the decision to sell Keane was taken a while ago mate. Maybe the negotiations went on a lot longer than expected, but the decision to sell him was made a while ago imo.

Who knows for sure about anything - his agent could be talking :censored:

and rafa could of been talking :censored:

and been seraching for a striker but just couldnt get the right one sorted in time and in the end they decided to take a risk and cut their ties with keane and ride out the rest of the season - yes a big risk considering the cover we have for torres but there is always the hope torres plays the rest of the season with no probs and we wont need to call on ngog much apart from the odd subs apperance . and we have already seen that keane didnt fit into our best system and was never going to displace either gerrard or torres .

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:01 pm

GYBS wrote:Who knows for sure about anything -

Nobody. Lets not bother even talking about it.

by **GYBS** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:02 pm

why continue to talk and debate about players that have been at the club - seen not good enough and left ? what is the point of going over old ground with them - lets concentrate on the team we have here right now and any team we might have in the future . Talking about this that and the other old player just shows disrespect to the players we have got now who are trying to win us the title

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:03 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:Who knows for sure about anything -

Nobody. Lets not bother even talking about it.

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:08 pm

Look I've got an idea. If you want to concentrate on the players we've got now, you don't want to look back etc, then lovely. If you think it's disrespectful to players we have now, then fantastic.

Why not simply stay out of the debate then when it goes into an area that you don't want to talk about? Any chances anybody has of discussing anything is ruined by a sea of red quesion marks and pointless interjections. If I log onto a thread and you've been in there and your "uber annoying" mode, I don't even bother reading the thread. I skip it, and I'm sure everyone else is the same. Once you've been doing your smother routine, you knwo that every post of yours will be less than two sentences long and end ina question mark. It won't be long before the people who are posting sensibly will become distracted by your buzzing around their earholes and the thing goes off the rails, a bit like here. It's like trying to eat a chinese when everyone want a taste, in the end it ain't worth it and you either jab your fork into the back of someones hand, or just get up and leave it and say "feck it, help yourself".

If you don't want to discuss someting, don't. Nothing could be simpler.

by **Madmax** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:11 pm

When we were lacking firepower up front and keane was not even scoring prior to the jan window i think we still should have considering getting a striker. It was clear we lack depth up front so it should have been a priority in the window wether we were going to keep keane or not... At that time i think we were interested in heskey but wasnt offical..

Management just sat throughout the whole month tryin to offload keane.. FFS atleast consider a striker on loan or something..

by **GYBS** » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:12 pm

Sorry should i post long long paragraphs that go over and over the sam thing again and agina and keep going on about keane or rotation etc etc ? is that better ?

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