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by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:15 am

and all this rafas fault for this that and the other - these footballers are grown bloody men and need to take responsibilty of themselves , if they think they are being hard done by well them work extra hard to prove yourself dont sit and fecking sulk like a baby.

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:19 am

peewee wrote:can this thread now get back to the issue in hand, who should we play on the right?

babel on right all day of week.

Babel has started 3 games this season every game we have won

Kuyt has started 22 games and we have won 13 drawn 8 lost 1

babel 432 mins total 3 goals

kuyt 1918 mins 7 goals

Go figure

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:24 am

Babel hasnt performed at all this season - bar his goal against the mancs i cant remember him once having a very good game .

by **bigmick** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:24 am

GYBS wrote:and all this rafas fault for this that and the other - these footballers are grown bloody men and need to take responsibilty of themselves , if they think they are being hard done by well them work extra hard to prove yourself dont sit and fecking sulk like a baby.

In the case of Babel, I think that's fair comment to be honest. Half the time he comes on he looks like he's been smoking spliff on the bench, a quarter of the time he looks like he's never played football in his life, and the other quarter he comes on and does something which makes you think "fecking hell".

This normally involves him picking up the ball, zig zagging accross the pitch then unleashing a blistering shot from around 30 yards. Unfortunately though it's rare. Quite often the bloke coming off shows more energy in exiting the proceedings than Babel shows in joining them.

I think Keane is slightly different, and always have ever since we began the "score two goals and sit on your erse" policy. Keane's problem is precisely the opposite to Babel in that he tries too hard. He doesn't sulk, he runs around like a little terrier making a nuisance of himself. It's just unfortunate that in the main, when his confidence is down it's more to his own players than the opposition.

Continuity of selection once Keane had started a run may well have settled him down. It's worth noting that despite being absolutely awful against Everton he still has three goals in his last four league games. The trouble is that the games have been so far apart that nobody seems to remember it, unfortunately including Keane himself.

by **andy_g** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:25 am

LegBarnes wrote:babel on right all day of week.

can we just reduce that to the days of the week when we aren't playing anyone?

as far as i can recall babel has shown about as much on the right as he has on the left - i.e. very little. while we need an improvement on kuyt on the right i don't think that improvement is ryan babel.

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:26 am

yeah was mainly looking towards babel with that comment mick - keane is different and to be honest i have no idea what is happening there but hopefully the guy can start to play well so then he can just concentrate on his football . yeah he has scored and then been rested/dropped etc but surely the guy must realise he wouldnt start every game and has on occasions played really really badly . anyway digressing here .

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:28 am

I think now pennant has gone - the anit kuyts will be concentrating on wanting babel played there now andy . and yes your spot on - babel has done feck all so far this season on the right left centre bench wherever

by **bigmick** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:30 am

We've established that Babel isn't very good on the left, as we are a better team with a genuine left midfielder there. He doesn't seem to me to be much good on the right either to be perfectly honest. I think it's fairly clear he has regressed this season as a footballer.

Is there any hope for him? I think it's debateable. I suppose since his situation is looking absolutely desperate, we could possibly try playing him in the position he played in when we bought him, and the one which I imagine we bought him for. I know it's a bit out there, but we could try him as a centre forward at some point. You never know, it might just work.

That said, it probably won't and if it was me I'd listen to offers. Then after a couple of seconds consideration I'd accept one of them and sell him on.

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:40 am

the thing is mick for ajax he played in that left forward position they love over there - it enabled him to use his strengths of cutting in onto his right . he hardly ever played through the middle even thou he seems to have what is required to play there , i cant see him ever working alongside torres who will always be first choice - i think unless we see a vast improvement that he will leave during the summer which is a shame as i had high hopes for him .

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:41 am

bigmick wrote:We've established that Babel isn't very good on the left, as we are a better team with a genuine left midfielder there. He doesn't seem to me to be much good on the right either to be perfectly honest. I think it's fairly clear he has regressed this season as a footballer.

Is there any hope for him? I think it's debateable. I suppose since his situation is looking absolutely desperate, we could possibly try playing him in the position he played in when we bought him, and the one which I imagine we bought him for. I know it's a bit out there, but we could try him as a centre forward at some point. You never know, it might just work.

That said, it probably won't and if it was me I'd listen to offers. Then after a couple of seconds consideration I'd accept one of them and sell him on.

You say all this tho mick but every start babel has ends in liverpool win he must add something to team ?

He has same goal/min ratio as gerrard this season and torres so I think you being a little harsh in your judgement.

he might looks rusty out there alot fo time but can you blame him he hardly gets alot of playing time does he ?

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:44 am

he has started three games and we have won them - the stat ratio means feck all when its only three games . this is where stats lie - you only have to watch the lad during a game wether he starts or comes on to see he is well off form and has been for most of the season .

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:47 am

GYBS wrote:he has started three games and we have won them - the stat ratio means feck all when its only three games . this is where stats lie - you only have to watch the lad during a game wether he starts or comes on to see he is well off form and has been for most of the season .

You lie the lad starts games his paces wears defences down and we go on to get late goals we start with a slower player its a walk in park for them.

Lets face facts shall we name me a team who has won the prem with no pace down the wings ? just 1 and go on !

None you need pace and we don't get that from kuyt/benny or even if you mad enuff to put keane there.

Babel is our only player with speed to burn and we need to start him more often , yeah he is rusty and runs into players sometimes so fooking what at least he trys , but sometimes just sometimes it works out and he opens holes when was last time kuyt did that with a touch of pace ?

Face facts speed is the key !

by **bigmick** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:06 pm

LegBarnes wrote:Face facts speed is the key !

Well it is if you're in the Olympic sprint final, but in a game of football it is but one of many important facets. You could by the same token say "hard work is the key" and then you arrive at Kuyt, or "experience is the key" and then you arrive at Hyppia.

Ideally, you want some pace to play wide midfield (it is an important asset) but you also need a lot of workrate, a bit of game sense etc etc. Babel has pace to burn I agree, and I do think that there is a footballer in him trying to get out. Unfortunately, I don't think the footballer in him is actually busting a gut to make an appearance, more like giving it a minute or two of sustained effort and then thinking, "ah feck it I'll try again next time".

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:17 pm

bigmick wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:Face facts speed is the key !

Well it is if you're in the Olympic sprint final, but in a game of football it is but one of many important facets. You could by the same token say "hard work is the key" and then you arrive at Kuyt, or "experience is the key" and then you arrive at Hyppia.

Ideally, you want some pace to play wide midfield (it is an important asset) but you also need a lot of workrate, a bit of game sense etc etc. Babel has pace to burn I agree, and I do think that there is a footballer in him trying to get out. Unfortunately, I don't think the footballer in him is actually busting a gut to make an appearance, more like giving it a minute or two of sustained effort and then thinking, "ah feck it I'll try again next time".

Nope he just needs the manager to back him thats all he is lacking mick.

I don't get this he don't try :censored:

he does try maybe not to kuyts standards but who the fook does

Pace is far more important then work rate any how on wings , look at ronaldo ffs he does fook all when he don't have ball I don't ever see fergie droping him cos of it ? do you ?

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:26 pm

mick has answered it spot on . no point having pace to brun if you have no work ethic , game intelligence awarness , passion commitment . cant remember the last time babel scared a fullback .

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