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maypaxvobiscum wrote:

GYBS wrote:I thought the inital question that max wanted to post was wether people thought that the post that the guy wrote reflected the majority of the opinions on the forum ??

yes GYBS that was it. i was being questioned so to verify my statement, i set up a poll.

GYBS wrote:I thought the inital question that max wanted to post was wether people thought that the post that the guy wrote reflected the majority of the opinions on the forum ??

Judge wrote:

maypaxvobiscum wrote:

GYBS wrote:I thought the inital question that max wanted to post was wether people thought that the post that the guy wrote reflected the majority of the opinions on the forum ??

yes GYBS that was it. i was being questioned so to verify my statement, i set up a poll.

tbh starbuzz, lol. it wasnt a true poll, it was poll which allowed comments, which is what bob has just said.

you can make poll only threads you know starbuzz boy

how do i make a poll which doesnt allow comments?
oh neverrmind. doesnt matter. small thing. im not fussed. and i shouldve editted the front bit to be honest.

i shall take shelter in my riddles and music threads 

GYBS wrote:

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:

GYBS wrote:You cant compare Gerrard with Kuyt- everytime Gerrard goes onto the field in  a Liverpool shirt you know the guy is going to give everything - sometimes it may not come off and he may not play well but for the majority of the time the guy is there every single time creatiing or scoring.


AS for blaming Kuyt for loosing two points against stoke cause he was WRONGLY called offside is pretty pathetic really and just looking for a reason to critisize him . The prob with Kuyt is he isnt the most spectacular player in the world - he isnt the quickest of trickiest player nor does he hit 30 yard blasters or go on lung busting runs round all 11 players to score magical goals BUT as Rafa says he does the dirty work to enable the players like Torres and Gerrard to do that stuff as well as popping up with important goals and creating chances and goals - Its important work (very important ) and that is recognised by the manager the players and some fans , ex players etc etc . He reminds me of people like sammy lee who was pretty much the same - unspectatular work but did it every game week in week out (even sammy has stated so) . As long as he keeps doing that work that allows others to flourish then he will earn his place in the team. While he continues to do the work noticed or unnoticed (by the fans) but not be spectatcular he will be critized cause he isnt doing what people like torres or gerrard are doing.

I think it's a little short-sighted to suggest that the reason he gets criticised is simply because he doesn't do what Torres and Gerrard do.

Not many players do - to dismiss that as the reason for criticism is to basically ignore 60-odd pages of arguments and reasons why he is actually deemed not good enough.

(oh and for the record, I thought Kuyt was actually offside against Stoke and the decision was proven to be correct - not that I agree it's a reason to blame Kuyt for 2 points lost)

I think thats where half the problems come from mate - because the guy isnt spectactular and doesnt measure up to the world class players we have in the team yet these world class players constantly state how important he is - the dirty work as rafa puts it needs to be done and kuyt does a hell of a lot of it to enable there more talented and skilful players to concentrate on what they do best - i think keane is a mix of both which is good and if if kuyt contiunes to do the work that enables torres to do what he does best then all godd for me .

maypaxvobiscum wrote:there are some who will slam him no matter what but from what i see, most people are willing to accept his contribution but they find he has too many weaknesses.

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:

GYBS wrote:You cant compare Gerrard with Kuyt- everytime Gerrard goes onto the field in  a Liverpool shirt you know the guy is going to give everything - sometimes it may not come off and he may not play well but for the majority of the time the guy is there every single time creatiing or scoring.


AS for blaming Kuyt for loosing two points against stoke cause he was WRONGLY called offside is pretty pathetic really and just looking for a reason to critisize him . The prob with Kuyt is he isnt the most spectacular player in the world - he isnt the quickest of trickiest player nor does he hit 30 yard blasters or go on lung busting runs round all 11 players to score magical goals BUT as Rafa says he does the dirty work to enable the players like Torres and Gerrard to do that stuff as well as popping up with important goals and creating chances and goals - Its important work (very important ) and that is recognised by the manager the players and some fans , ex players etc etc . He reminds me of people like sammy lee who was pretty much the same - unspectatular work but did it every game week in week out (even sammy has stated so) . As long as he keeps doing that work that allows others to flourish then he will earn his place in the team. While he continues to do the work noticed or unnoticed (by the fans) but not be spectatcular he will be critized cause he isnt doing what people like torres or gerrard are doing.

I think it's a little short-sighted to suggest that the reason he gets criticised is simply because he doesn't do what Torres and Gerrard do.

Not many players do - to dismiss that as the reason for criticism is to basically ignore 60-odd pages of arguments and reasons why he is actually deemed not good enough.

(oh and for the record, I thought Kuyt was actually offside against Stoke and the decision was proven to be correct - not that I agree it's a reason to blame Kuyt for 2 points lost)

I think thats where half the problems come from mate - because the guy isnt spectactular and doesnt measure up to the world class players we have in the team yet these world class players constantly state how important he is - the dirty work as rafa puts it needs to be done and kuyt does a hell of a lot of it to enable there more talented and skilful players to concentrate on what they do best - i think keane is a mix of both which is good and if if kuyt contiunes to do the work that enables torres to do what he does best then all godd for me .

So why didn't Steve Finnan recieve the same critisism then? One thing he could never be described as was spectacular, yet he never come under half the critisism Kuyt does.

He's the perfect example to disprove that point of view.

You also harp on about Kuyt doing dirty work which allows Torres and Gerrard to do what they do. Well I'm sorry, but I don't buy that either. Not for a second, Steven's best season came when Kuyt wasn't at the club. It almosts sounds like you're saying Torres and Gerrard wouldn't be as effective without Dirk Kuyt, If thats what you are saying, then am afraid to tell you thats even more rubbish coming from your trap.

GYBS wrote:Lando is right it wont matter what Kuyt does certain people will still slag him off or say he is

Do you honestly believe that?

No matter what he does we'd slag him off?

So by pointing out a player is clearly not good enough thats slagging him off...

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:Lando is right it wont matter what Kuyt does certain people will still slag him off or say he is

Do you honestly believe that?

No matter what he does we'd slag him off?

So by pointing out a player is clearly not good enough thats slagging him off...

GYBS wrote:Really ? that not what Torres himself has stated plus rafa and gerrard ? I think it was torres who said if it wasnt for kuyt he wouldnt of scored the amount of goals he did last year ? so is are star striker talking rubbish as well ?

So you expect the likes of Torres and Gerrard to come out and say Kuyt's in the media?

GYBS wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:Lando is right it wont matter what Kuyt does certain people will still slag him off or say he is

Do you honestly believe that?

No matter what he does we'd slag him off?

So by pointing out a player is clearly not good enough thats slagging him off...

In your opinion he isnt good enough - our manager thinks he is .

Our manager also thinks Lucas, Babel and Arbeloa are good enough.

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:Really ? that not what Torres himself has stated plus rafa and gerrard ? I think it was torres who said if it wasnt for kuyt he wouldnt of scored the amount of goals he did last year ? so is are star striker talking rubbish as well ?

So you expect the likes of Torres and Gerrard to come out and say Kuyt's in the media?

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:Lando is right it wont matter what Kuyt does certain people will still slag him off or say he is

Do you honestly believe that?

No matter what he does we'd slag him off?

So by pointing out a player is clearly not good enough thats slagging him off...

In your opinion he isnt good enough - our manager thinks he is .

Our manager also thinks Lucas, Babel and Arbeloa are good enough.

GYBS wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

GYBS wrote:Lando is right it wont matter what Kuyt does certain people will still slag him off or say he is

Do you honestly believe that?

No matter what he does we'd slag him off?

So by pointing out a player is clearly not good enough thats slagging him off...

In your opinion he isnt good enough - our manager thinks he is .

Our manager also thinks Lucas, Babel and Arbeloa are good enough.

The same manager who got players like agger,pepe,skittles,masher,torres,xabi, as well .

and its not just our manager who rates those players you mention plus others - spanish manager new and old , brazilian manager , dutch manager . thats a lot of people in the game rating these players thinking they are good enough for both club and country .

Deary, deary me.

You're getting blocked lad. All you do is repeat the same feeble opinions of others and chat complete and utter rubbish. You have absoloutely no football knowledge what so ever and prove it in just about every post you make.
I've never once heard you justifty anything properly or even try to understand anything at all.

Had I not been carded I'd tell you what I really think. I'll just leave the rest to your imagination!