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by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:43 pm

Yooj Bigullz wrote:Berbatov or Kuyt, who's the better player?

I cannot believe you beat me to that by one effing minute!!! :laugh:

by **GYBS** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:45 pm

swerved which questions ? Insults again ? All because i back and support a liverpool player ? Thats quite pathetic really isnt it . Giving credit to a liverpool player is being simple is it ? If only my good friends grandad was alive to hear some of the stuff on here from some people , he would be ashamed of some of the fans off our great club , and he had more to do with liverpool football club than anyone on here could dream off .

by **GYBS** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:47 pm

answered that question once before you want my answer to it read back .

by **Roger Red Hat** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:49 pm

berbatov

but what the fk that proves is beyond me

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:52 pm

Classic newkit debate, this. It's gone from discussing the player, per se, and is firmly stuck in the rut of how "the other side" sees the player. One side spends all their time criticizing those who put Kuyt "on a pedestal" (when no one actually has) while the other side spends all their time moaning about those who participate in the Kuyt "witch hunt" (when that's not really happening either). Oh, and, of course, both sides are absolutely certain that their views on the lad are completely balanced and reasonable, while their opponents' views are completely and utterly OTT. Peel back all the heated rhetoric and the two sides probably agree on virtually everything being discussed. Priceless. :laugh:

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:53 pm

Lee J wrote:berbatov

but what the fk that proves is beyond me

Read back, around pages 28-32 I reckon...

by **burjennio** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:14 pm

Bad Bob Posted on Oct. 02 2008,19:52Classic newkit debate, this. It's gone from discussing the player, per se, and is firmly stuck in the rut of how "the other side" sees the player. One side spends all their time criticizing those who put Kuyt "on a pedestal" (when no one actually has) while the other side spends all their time moaning about those who participate in the Kuyt "witch hunt" (when that's not really happening either). Oh, and, of course, both sides are absolutely certain that their views on the lad are completely balanced and reasonable, while their opponents' views are completely and utterly OTT. Peel back all the heated rhetoric and the two sides probably agree on virtually everything being discussed. Priceless.

Its only when the insults come out, then the retaliation, then the flamethrowers! Its amazing the difference a week makes and a logical approach to the subject takes hold. Looking back I think half the posts are about getting in the last word or a clever comeback, rather than a valid point that hasnt been retread about 20 times.

To be fair I can understand why certain posters dont rate him, he does have a dodgy first touch and can be guilty of losing the ball. but on the other hand he chips in with vital goals and frees some of our more creative players to do their thing. In my opinion he should be used as a rotational striker and most definately NOT a right midfielder but without adaquate cover in that position atm hes doing a better job than probably should be expected of him. But if the cash is there (you never know, maybe Tom Hicks will win the EuroMillions

) I think we need to be strengthening that area come January, though I dont have an inkling who we should go for (Ashley Young is a good player who could get even better plus he does have the plus of being dynamite whipping in crosses and setpieces) but thats a debate for another thread

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:19 pm

burjennio wrote:
Bad Bob Posted on Oct. 02 2008,19:52Classic newkit debate, this. It's gone from discussing the player, per se, and is firmly stuck in the rut of how "the other side" sees the player. One side spends all their time criticizing those who put Kuyt "on a pedestal" (when no one actually has) while the other side spends all their time moaning about those who participate in the Kuyt "witch hunt" (when that's not really happening either). Oh, and, of course, both sides are absolutely certain that their views on the lad are completely balanced and reasonable, while their opponents' views are completely and utterly OTT. Peel back all the heated rhetoric and the two sides probably agree on virtually everything being discussed. Priceless.

Its only when the insults come out, then the retaliation, then the flamethrowers! Its amazing the difference a week makes and a logical approach to the subject takes hold. Looking back I think half the posts are about getting in the last word or a clever comeback, rather than a valid point that hasnt been retread about 20 times.

To be fair I can understand why certain posters dont rate him, he does have a dodgy first touch and can be guilty of losing the ball. but on the other hand he chips in with vital goals and frees some of our more creative players to do their thing. In my opinion he should be used as a rotational striker and most definately NOT a right midfielder but without adaquate cover in that position atm hes doing a better job than probably should be expected of him. But if the cash is there (you never know, maybe Tom Hicks will win the EuroMillions ) I think we need to be strengthening that area come January, though I dont have an inkling who we should go for (Ashley Young is a good player who could get even better plus he does have the plus of being dynamite whipping in crosses and setpieces) but thats a debate for another thread

There's a certain irony in me agreeing almost word for word with that... incredible!!

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:22 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Classic newkit debate, this. It's gone from discussing the player, per se, and is firmly stuck in the rut of how "the other side" sees the player. One side spends all their time criticizing those who put Kuyt "on a pedestal" (when no one actually has) while the other side spends all their time moaning about those who participate in the Kuyt "witch hunt" (when that's not really happening either). Oh, and, of course, both sides are absolutely certain that their views on the lad are completely balanced and reasonable, while their opponents' views are completely and utterly OTT. Peel back all the heated rhetoric and the two sides probably agree on virtually everything being discussed. Priceless.

But i dont agree with nothin Bob

only stop giving Kuyt stick when he doest deserve it. an im right i know i am :;):

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:24 pm

An just to throw another line in

bITTERS ARE GETTING BEAT HA HA

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:24 pm

burjennio wrote:
Bad Bob Posted on Oct. 02 2008,19:52Classic newkit debate, this. It's gone from discussing the player, per se, and is firmly stuck in the rut of how "the other side" sees the player. One side spends all their time criticizing those who put Kuyt "on a pedestal" (when no one actually has) while the other side spends all their time moaning about those who participate in the Kuyt "witch hunt" (when that's not really happening either). Oh, and, of course, both sides are absolutely certain that their views on the lad are completely balanced and reasonable, while their opponents' views are completely and utterly OTT. Peel back all the heated rhetoric and the two sides probably agree on virtually everything being discussed. Priceless.

Its only when the insults come out, then the retaliation, then the flamethrowers! Its amazing the difference a week makes and a logical approach to the subject takes hold. Looking back I think half the posts are about getting in the last word or a clever comeback, rather than a valid point that hasnt been retread about 20 times.

To be fair I can understand why certain posters dont rate him, he does have a dodgy first touch and can be guilty of losing the ball. but on the other hand he chips in with vital goals and frees some of our more creative players to do their thing. In my opinion he should be used as a rotational striker and most definately NOT a right midfielder but without adaquate cover in that position atm hes doing a better job than probably should be expected of him. But if the cash is there (you never know, maybe Tom Hicks will win the EuroMillions ) I think we need to be strengthening that area come January, though I dont have an inkling who we should go for (Ashley Young is a good player who could get even better plus he does have the plus of being dynamite whipping in crosses and setpieces) but thats a debate for another thread

I agree...he's solid but we could do better at RM. I think most people agree with that, more or less. But does Rafa? I know I've asked it before but I still think the more interesting discussion is why Rafa plays him there. Is it simply because he doesn't feel there's anyone better? Or, does he think Kuyt's strengths outweigh his weaknesses at RM?

Let me put it another way. If Hicks and Gillett handed Rafa a wad of cash ahead of January and told him to use it on one player, do you think he'd go out and get a RM or do you think he'd use it elsewhere and persist with Kuyt as our week-in, week-out RM?

(Personally, I have a funny feeling it would be Option B)

by **GYBS** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:34 pm

nah i think rafa would go and get a right mid . He is only playing kuyt there cause he is better than what we have available . Rafa been after a decent right player for years and only playing kuyt there cause he is doing a better job than most have done over the years , not including gerrard . Rafa is utilizing the best option available to him and for the majority of the time it is working in a more positive way but could be better lots better if we had a better option available to him . At the moment its not having too negative effect on our results . If it does start effecting us then things will need to be changed .

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:35 pm

I think option "A" Bob. If Rafa had got his way we would have Barry at left mid (arguably centre mid but I doubt it now) and probably or possibly (?) a more attacking winger similar to Riera but on the right. Kuyt would have been second in line for a place on the right to our new Right winger and second in line behind Keane as a striker as well.

So I think if we get any money for Christmas his first target will be a right mid or possibly an attacking right back depending on how much he gets and who's available.

by **burjennio** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:36 pm

Bad Bob I agree...he's solid but we could do better at RM. I think most people agree with that, more or less. But does Rafa? I know I've asked it before but I still think the more interesting discussion is why Rafa plays him there. Is it simply because he doesn't feel there's anyone better? Or, does he think Kuyt's strengths outweigh his weaknesses at RM?

Let me put it another way. If Hicks and Gillett handed Rafa a wad of cash ahead of January and told him to use it on one player, do you think he'd go out and get a RM or do you think he'd use it elsewhere and persist with Kuyt as our week-in, week-out RM?

its a brave man who trys to second guess the boss! For me Bob If he was pushed he would have to admit that rm is a bigger priority than any other position. Hes just dished out £7m on a leftback and I would say hes been pleased with what Arbeloa has done since he came to the club. Kuyt has all the attributes Benitez loves in a player, but I would say if he could sign a Beckham style player who will work hard, track back and give consistant solid delivery into the box, not necessarily being blessed with blistering pace or skill, then Dirk would be benchwarming for most of the 2nd half of the season

by **Leonmc0708** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:53 pm

Effes wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
peewee wrote:is 1988 the year you was born mate? I had been going the game for 15 years by that point. I earned my stripes mate and its things like this that pretty much allows me to have an opinion and to air it.

Please !

Leon, you seem to goout of your way to have a snipe at peewee.

Mods should attain some kind of neurality on here - you don't.

It's becoming obssessional.

I will pull anyone up who talks such condescending bullsh.it mate.

Lines like I was goign the game before you where born are a joke.

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