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Postby Ben1988 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:17 pm

Lee J wrote:blame him for what? playing a player that puts in a solid reliable performance, scores a goal and creates another?


jeez you people are not getting it are you?

woah woah waoh. im the one sticking up for kuyt here.... what im sayin is dont blame kuty if you dont like his performances.... he isnt a winger he is a striker and it is rafa playing him out of position.

I think kuyt does a grand job.... i9 like him, and love his commitment. read back a few posts
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Postby MASTER » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:25 pm

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:ok here is one for you guys, kuyt scored. i feel the keeper made a mistake. that any other keeper would have done better. if THAT type of goal was scored against us, would u blame the keeper, or would u think that it was a good strike?

only Stu has replied to this post. Ben1988, GYBS, and everyone else, i would love your opinion on the question ive thrown you  :;):

I made reference to it as well further up - not a direct reply though.

Great question and yes, we'd be cursing the keeper - certainly not praising the opposition player for getting a slightly iffy shot on target.

so can i say that that was a lucky goal by Kuyt?

Only if I can add the word "slightly" in before it just to give a bit of balance?

i feel most keepers would have saved it. Kuyt doesnt know how to shoot. i cant remember who it was against but in some game recently he had 2 clear chances but opted to shoot at the keeper. and just like the goal last night, he shot at the keeper.

good job for winning the ball and being hardworking but as far as im concerned his finishing s(u)c(k)s.

Yeh, I've mentioned earlier that I disagree with somebody who suggests his strength is his shooting - it's not, and he almost always looks for the pass first even when he's in a better position to shoot than anyone.

Yes it is a mistake however his defender should take some blame for not closing him down in the box.

But I have NEVER seen Kuyt purely use SKILL to score any type of goal.

And the bizarre thing is every team he play against seems to give him these type of 'LUCKY' goals and this is something I have long been puzzled by after all this is The Champions League, the 20 time Dutch Champions and yet it could be a league 2 team defending these situations.

So overall the credit must go to Kuyt, however I like Stu and Ace and possibly others would like to see how the TEAM plays without Dirk involved.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:27 pm

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Lee J wrote:blame him for what? playing a player that puts in a solid reliable performance, scores a goal and creates another?


jeez you people are not getting it are you?

Right side of a front 3 he does a job.

Right side of midfield he is terrible.

So if you think that, then who is at fault?

Your at fault mate , for finding fault ,where the is none at the minute .

You worry far to much....... :D
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Postby LFC1982 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:29 pm

Was he not our top scorer in europe last year?

Did he not score in the Champions League final defeat to Milan?

Must be :censored: then   :angry:
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Postby MASTER » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:30 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
GYBS wrote:umm isnt the basic concept of the game to get the ball into the back of the net ? Didnt kuyt do that ? There is only the top class players that do everything to high standard ie torres gerrard messi etc . No one has said kuyt is like that . And you must of watched a different game to many people last night ? Lots of gaps ? I didnt say many ? Slagging him of for chasing down the ball and players ? What next ?

You completely lack basic understanding of the game.

Yes I was slating him for chasing down players, you ever played the game?

No?

Ok, well heres an example for you. If I've got the ball and I'm in the centre of the pitch and I see the right sided player come running towards me I'd look straight away for my left back or left winger knowing for a fact one of them would be free. If I couldn't actually make the pass I'd look to realease it to a player who could get the ball into that position as thats where the space is.

That happened 5 or 6 times last night as Kuyt went mindlessly chasing the ball infield and they picked him off. Had a better player been receiving the ball then they would have used the space alot better.

Now in football, alot of circumstances lead to goals, now if you give a player like Evra that kind of space, he'll step on the accelerator and run at your team causing it to lose shape, chances are he'll play a pass... to someone like Rooney or Tevez or Ronaldo then bang, you're 1-0 down and chasing the game.

Against the best sides, its little details like that, that cost you points, goals, possession and everything else. Now, if you don't pick up on them and eradicate them against the lesser teams, then you're going to get punished when you play the better sides.

Football is about more than just running around alot. A hell of a lot more.

DIRK KUYT IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH!

Agree totally Stu, but they ARE allowed an opinion on whatever they like especially Dirk Kuyt.
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Postby Fo Dne » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:36 pm

LFC1982 wrote:Was he not our top scorer in europe last year?

Did he not score in the Champions League final defeat to Milan?

Must be :censored: then   :angry:

Didn't Cisse score 19 goals in a season playing mainly from the right?

Didn't he score in the FA cup final which we went on to win.

Must be great then.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:41 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
LFC1982 wrote:Was he not our top scorer in europe last year?

Did he not score in the Champions League final defeat to Milan?

Must be :censored: then   :angry:

Didn't Cisse score 19 goals in a season playing mainly from the right?

Didn't he score in the FA cup final which we went on to win.

Must be great then.

Hey lad cisse was class. :;):
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Postby LFC1982 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:41 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
LFC1982 wrote:Was he not our top scorer in europe last year?

Did he not score in the Champions League final defeat to Milan?

Must be :censored: then   :angry:

Didn't Cisse score 19 goals in a season playing mainly from the right?

Didn't he score in the FA cup final which we went on to win.

Must be great then.

Dont you just post :censored: after :censored:?

Then post more :censored:?






















Then post some :censored:  :rasp
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Postby Jimmy the Weasel » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:46 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Lee J wrote:blame him for what? playing a player that puts in a solid reliable performance, scores a goal and creates another?


jeez you people are not getting it are you?

Right side of a front 3 he does a job.

Right side of midfield he is terrible.

So if you think that, then who is at fault?

Your at fault mate , for finding fault ,where the is none at the minute .

You worry far to much....... :D

My at fault? What does that mean?

I said IF you think that. You clearly don't, but IF you did think that, whose fault is it that he's terrible at right midfield?

I worry about the mancs overtaking our record. Do you not?
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:53 pm

fk it, best read the other topics and leave this one here with bell ends like 'fo dne' to spout utter sh!te about a player that does not have a problem. we used to call it bullying at school - grow the fk up.
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Postby Ben1988 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:58 pm

Lee J wrote:fk it, best read the other topics and leave this one here with bell ends like 'fo dne' to spout utter sh!te about a player that does not have a problem. we used to call it bullying at school - grow the fk up.

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Postby Igor Zidane » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:03 pm

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Lee J wrote:blame him for what? playing a player that puts in a solid reliable performance, scores a goal and creates another?


jeez you people are not getting it are you?

Right side of a front 3 he does a job.

Right side of midfield he is terrible.

So if you think that, then who is at fault?

Your at fault mate , for finding fault ,where the is none at the minute .

You worry far to much....... :D

My at fault? What does that mean?

I said IF you think that. You clearly don't, but IF you did think that, whose fault is it that he's terrible at right midfield?

I worry about the mancs overtaking our record. Do you not?

It's only a debate , were winning ,playing better by the game , we look more balanced , what's the problem . What part of the season are we at , come back to me after chrimbo and we'll debate then about the mancs catching up , until then enjoy the ride and worry a little bit less ,you'll live longer i promise. :;):
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Postby Fo Dne » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:13 pm

LFC1982 wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
LFC1982 wrote:Was he not our top scorer in europe last year?

Did he not score in the Champions League final defeat to Milan?

Must be :censored: then   :angry:

Didn't Cisse score 19 goals in a season playing mainly from the right?

Didn't he score in the FA cup final which we went on to win.

Must be great then.

Dont you just post :censored: after :censored:?

Then post more :censored:?






















Then post some :censored:  :rasp

And people wonder why I insult people when I get responded to like that for posting an equally rediculous arguement.

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Postby Bad Bob » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:19 pm

First and last warning fellas...tone it down. ???
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:19 pm

Ben1988 wrote:christ Fo Dne u and peewee really Fuk me off.

If you don't think he is good enough fair enough but just leave it at that, there is nothing you can do about it. He is in the squad, a big part of Rafa's plans by the looks of things. Back your team, back your players.

Untill Kuyt starts playing well below par im backing him and the manager and I think you should do the same

is 1988 the year you was born mate? I had been going the game for 15 years by that point. I earned my stripes mate and its things like this that pretty much allows me to have an opinion and to air it. I think if you actually take time to read the forum you will see me praise kuyt when its deserved and slate him when its deserved.

I just hope you get the chance to be in the ground when the title is won and to be honest there is not many of us on this forum who have had that pleasure. Each opinion is personal and I really dont give a shiny sh'te if my opinion f'cks you off, the beauty of opinions is that people have different ones and I can tell you kuyt would never have got anywhere near our first team in the heady days.

Kuyt is a player with limitations and as the game goes on and he is getting more tired from running round to correct his mistakes then he starts to make even more mistakes. He failed as a forward (unless you think rafa is stupid enough to play a quality striker on the right, and if that the case I wonder when we will torres out there), and to be honest on the right he looks about as comfortable on the ball as a pair of speedos 5 sizes to small,

As for par, kuyt has set his very low, kuyt on par is still below others standards.

Please feel free to have your opinion but also respect the fact that others will disagree
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