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by **bigmick** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:54 pm

Well they probably score more often than Dirk to be fair. He hasn't scored for 26 matches in the league and hardly scored before that. In fairness though, it's not Dirks goalscoring prowess that the "stupid" people talk about really, but there you go.

by **MASTER** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:57 pm

GYBS wrote:
MASTER wrote:
GYBS wrote:Think maybe he doesnt come off as much due to his energy levels being higher than anyone else as was seen in the leige game .

So his enegy levels are good, OK thats fine.

However you have stated many times in this thread how important he is to the team in BIG matches, this weekend we have possibly the hardest match this season, when we play the derby, purely because of last seasons fixture.

So explain why he even played when we could have seen Babel, Keane, Riera and Torres on the same pitch to see how they integrate, after all we all KNEW, they were going to sit back and wait it out and we would need TRUE creativity.

The really awful thing is were going to have this situation in the league at home maybe 5 more times, where we need said quality, rather than for all his other admirable attributes, the limited technical and athletic skills of Dirk Kuyt.

PS: Well done for standing your ground against a tide of criticisim.

cause maybe kuyt will be playing this weekend , have yuu considered that - derby is perfect for kuyt and he may well win it for us like he helped us do last season . Torres and keane have played together a number of times and havent clicked yet , babel has been more effective as a sub and reira is on the opposite side of the picth so kuyt being there doesnt effect him . Keane and babel havent justified why they should get picked ahead of kuyt yet .

You missed my point in a derby he will need to be in tune physically and mentally and a rest may have done him good, and we didn't get much out of him on saturday.

Plus the issue about Riera is important because at some stage we will see Riera and Babel on the field at the same time and that could have been a dummy run plus Keane is used to playig with 2 wingers at club and international level, and I think Torres could benefit as well.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:58 pm

wasnt Kuyt our top league goalscorer before he hit his barren spell ? Anelka ,Rooney dont seem to be racking up the goals ? Van persie does but in all honesty he does play through the middle more often than not.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:02 pm

MASTER wrote:
GYBS wrote:
MASTER wrote:
GYBS wrote:Think maybe he doesnt come off as much due to his energy levels being higher than anyone else as was seen in the leige game .

So his enegy levels are good, OK thats fine.

However you have stated many times in this thread how important he is to the team in BIG matches, this weekend we have possibly the hardest match this season, when we play the derby, purely because of last seasons fixture.

So explain why he even played when we could have seen Babel, Keane, Riera and Torres on the same pitch to see how they integrate, after all we all KNEW, they were going to sit back and wait it out and we would need TRUE creativity.

The really awful thing is were going to have this situation in the league at home maybe 5 more times, where we need said quality, rather than for all his other admirable attributes, the limited technical and athletic skills of Dirk Kuyt.

PS: Well done for standing your ground against a tide of criticisim.

cause maybe kuyt will be playing this weekend , have yuu considered that - derby is perfect for kuyt and he may well win it for us like he helped us do last season . Torres and keane have played together a number of times and havent clicked yet , babel has been more effective as a sub and reira is on the opposite side of the picth so kuyt being there doesnt effect him . Keane and babel havent justified why they should get picked ahead of kuyt yet .

You missed my point in a derby he will need to be in tune physically and mentally and a rest may have done him good, and we didn't get much out of him on saturday.

Plus the issue about Riera is important because at some stage we will see Riera and Babel on the field at the same time and that could have been a dummy run plus Keane is used to playig with 2 wingers at club and international level, and I think Torres could benefit as well.

well kuyt has had a good weeks rest as he wasnt involved this week.

Babel isnt a winger mate - a forward and at the moment a impact sub . torres benfits from playing up front on his own - showed it last season and showed it through the euros . and we certainly shouldnt be changing the team to suit keane - we have already goen to play 442 to suit him and its not working - we should be putting the team out to suit players like gerrard and torres - ie torres up top on his own with gerrard supporting him . let torres have that space he loves .

by **Owzat** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:03 pm

Maybe he should be used a little more sparingly against the naff sides, let Pennant and the other show ponies roll out to strut their stuff and wipe the floor with Stoke, keeping Kuyt back for the big games and tougher encounters where work and endeavour count for more than what some offer. But that might constitute rotation and we don't want to go there.

by **GYBS** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:05 pm

I would have no probs with that Owzat .

by **pass_da_dutchie** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:47 pm

I want fans to remember this. Sammy Lee. Never the most gifted footballer, never the most prolific right winger in our history but I'll tell you something the fella would run his :censored:

off for this club and is held in high regard amongst every Liverpool fan I know. He does exactly what Dirk Kuyt does, so why the difference - maybe because Sammy is a local lad and we always seem to favour our locals more or maybe because Sammy didn't cost us £10 million. Either way Sammy Lee and Dirk Kuyt are very similar in their playing style down the right wing...one is loved the other is slaughtered?

by **Yooj Bigullz** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:52 pm

That's an interesting point PDD. Perhaps if Kuyt had cost £2-3m he wouldnt get as much stick. On the other hand, he would still look just as poor. Maybe Rafa would take the heat?

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:58 pm

GYBS wrote:wasnt Kuyt our top league goalscorer before he hit his barren spell ? Anelka ,Rooney dont seem to be racking up the goals ? Van persie does but in all honesty he does play through the middle more often than not.

Anelka league 24 goals ....... 9 assists
Rooney league 26 goals .......21 assists
Kuyt league 15 goals ........9 assists

Last three seasons (inc this one)

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:58 pm

Yooj Bigullz wrote:That's an interesting point PDD. Perhaps if Kuyt had cost £2-3m he wouldnt get as much stick. On the other hand, he would still look just as poor. Maybe Rafa would take the heat?

Not sure about that - is his price still relevant 2 years on?

I think most have got over the price and are judging him on what they see on the pitch now.

I don't tend to give that much significance to what we paid for him when I'm making my judgement, I just think whether it's good enough to be a Liverpool player.

by **pass_da_dutchie** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:03 pm

Yooj Bigullz wrote:That's an interesting point PDD. Perhaps if Kuyt had cost £2-3m he wouldnt get as much stick. On the other hand, he would still look just as poor. Maybe Rafa would take the heat?

If Kuyt cost £2-3 mill, maybe people wouldn't be expecting him to be the world beater.

For me £10 million was a fair price for a proven goalscorer on the continent (all be it holland) but now we're playing him on the right wing, the £10 million looks a waste of money and another over priced transfer. For me we should have cashed in on him in the summer but we haven't and he's still here so I for one will be cheering him on every time his name is on the team sheet. Not waiting for him to fail like some.

by **Yooj Bigullz** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:08 pm

Perhaps £2-3m would have been a more accurate valuation. I'm certainly no expert on the Dutch league, but I watched a fair few Feyenoord matches late night, I dont remember him ever scoring and he certainly never stood out to me

by **Yooj Bigullz** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:12 pm

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Yooj Bigullz wrote:That's an interesting point PDD. Perhaps if Kuyt had cost £2-3m he wouldnt get as much stick. On the other hand, he would still look just as poor. Maybe Rafa would take the heat?

Not sure about that - is his price still relevant 2 years on?

I think most have got over the price and are judging him on what they see on the pitch now.

I don't tend to give that much significance to what we paid for him when I'm making my judgement, I just think whether it's good enough to be a Liverpool player.

No I don't think its relevant now as most people have realised he simply isn't good enough. At the time of his signing it would have raised expectations I think, coupled with his record in Holland, which I suppose is just as irrelevant

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:17 pm

If Kuyt was available now for £10million how many would want to buy him for Liverpool knowing what we know now? Not many I would think.

Before Kuyt came many expressed doubts about him (because of his poor showing at the World Cup) After his first cameo appearance for us, most of us thought we had a great player on our hands, but since then, his status has steadily declined, and where initially his hard work was rewarded by many people picking him as M.O.T.M on numerous occasions, it is now used more as a club to hit him with.

Sadly we are a team that doesn't create many "easy chances", but creates many half chances. Kuyt is never likely to convert a lot of half chances, so the contrast with Torres who has, becomes ever more clear.

by **Number 9** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:20 pm

He's turning out to be the most debated LFC player in history!! :laugh:

Very strange,peoples opinions are either that they love him or hate him,theres hardly any in betweeners!
Marmite Kuyt! :nod

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