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by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:53 pm

No matter what good things Kuyt does on the pitch some people will never ever see it due to blinkered tunnel vision and will constantly pick up on any negative thing they can find . Kuyt can score a hat trick and set up three more in a 6 nil romp and some people will still pick out a miss placed pass or bad first touch . quite sad really

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:32 pm

burjennio wrote:
The realms of bulls hit statements. It got censored, see?

I also answered the suggestion that because he starts regularly, Kuyt is somehow deemed a good enough player - I missed the reply to my question about Nicky Tanner...

Kuyt's touch is poor, he slows attacks down with his "running in treacle" pace, he's either a striker who often looks terrified to shoot or a right winger who doesnt have the craft or guile to beat a man.

Yes he works his off and runs all day and I admire that - I bet he can't believe his luck playing for our great club. I'd be happier if he worked slightly less hard and was slightly more technically gifted and talented as a footballer.

But he isn't, so instead of being allowed to criticise, we have to lower the bar of what's acceptable standard at LFC, and get blinkered idiots like you telling us that "working hard" is suddenly enough to justify a starting place in the team.

Oh, and despite all this, when I'm at the game, Kuyt, like the rest of the team, gets my 110% backing DESPITE all these blatant deficiencies, so telling me to get behind the team by posting on an internet messageboard seems a bit of a stupid suggestion... and par for the course apparently.

Or does he post on here too?

running in treacle. scared to shoot. can't beat a man.

every one of those statements is false. and you have the cheek to call me a blinkered idiot. You also will go to the ground and get behind the player only to come onto message boards like this and cry and whinge like a baby. That makes you two faced. And how can you possibly compare a defender from 15 odd years ago to a forward player of today? Cause he was a poor player? He was moved on because of that, as were the rest of that medicore back line. Rafa has no plans to move on Kuyt, Why? because he knows hes a good player from working with him every day, as do his team mates. So if your gonna spout opinionated garbage and drop little passive-aggressive insults why dont you at least give practical and specific examples so you at least have a shred of clout. Otherwise go back to supporting whoever it was you follwed pre May 2005

Ok, I was wrong, he's pacey, tricky and dynamite in front of goal. Remind me when he last scored in the league again?

And your criteria for somebody being good enough was that they're a regular starter. Utter nonsense.

Have you never seen Kuyt one on one with a fullback before or something? It's quite cringey, with the defender knowing full well he won't dribble past him watching him pretend he's going to cross, then actually going to cross and usually managing to win a throw-in as the ball deflects off said defender.

And "two-faced"? Make your mind up - you think Kuyt's feelings are hurt by me being "two-faced" like this? Or would you rather I actually went to the match and told him what an incredibly limited footballer I think he is? You've just said I'm not allowed to do that so what exactly is it that you want!?

You support the team on matchdays no matter who lines up. If you think different, you're clearly a retard.

I was cheering on Don "the beermat" Hutchison and Jimmy effing Carter in the past, so for some gimp on a messageboard to suggest I shouldn't cheer Kuyt because he's an average player suggests you're the one who was supporting another team before 2005. Clown.

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:33 pm

GYBS wrote:No matter what good things Kuyt does on the pitch some people will never ever see it due to blinkered tunnel vision and will constantly pick up on any negative thing they can find . Kuyt can score a hat trick and set up three more in a 6 nil romp and some people will still pick out a miss placed pass or bad first touch . quite sad really

When that happens, I'll reconsider my opinion and openly declare my love for him.

I am safe in the knowledge I will never have to do that.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:35 pm

Jimmy got it spot on.

''kuyt is limited''

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:37 pm

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
GYBS wrote:No matter what good things Kuyt does on the pitch some people will never ever see it due to blinkered tunnel vision and will constantly pick up on any negative thing they can find . Kuyt can score a hat trick and set up three more in a 6 nil romp and some people will still pick out a miss placed pass or bad first touch . quite sad really

When that happens, I'll reconsider my opinion and openly declare my love for him.

I am safe in the knowledge I will never have to do that.

the ones supporting kuyt never seem to find any fault with him. they make him seem as if he's the perfect footballer. and when faults are found against him the same old arguments come up
1) he works hard
2) if not for his goal we wouldnt be/won the ECL

quite sad really.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:37 pm

Even when kuyt sets up a winner of scores a winning goal he gets no credit . and as for being one on one with a defender seen it plenty of times and seen him put in plenty decent crosses for players to score from . I think reading from what torres has said about kuyt by saying if it wasnt for kuyt he wouldnt of scored as many goals as he did last season sort of confirms a lot about how important he is in the squad.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:40 pm

he is important but he is limited. i find it impossible that you cant find faults with him. he does get credit and im sure there was instances where even PeeWee gave him credit. put it this way, we could do better then kuyt. good squad man. not regular starter unless its games where u have to grind out results like against bolton or everscum.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:41 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
GYBS wrote:No matter what good things Kuyt does on the pitch some people will never ever see it due to blinkered tunnel vision and will constantly pick up on any negative thing they can find . Kuyt can score a hat trick and set up three more in a 6 nil romp and some people will still pick out a miss placed pass or bad first touch . quite sad really

When that happens, I'll reconsider my opinion and openly declare my love for him.

I am safe in the knowledge I will never have to do that.

the ones supporting kuyt never seem to find any fault with him. they make him seem as if he's the perfect footballer. and when faults are found against him the same old arguments come up
1) he works hard
2) if not for his goal we wouldnt be/won the ECL

quite sad really.

Thats total rubbish - people defending kuyt know his limitations and accept it and even point it out - you show me where anyone has said he is a perfect footballer ? you show me where people have said he is world class ?

People slag of kuyt no matter what he does and people feel the need to defend him cause they can see what he brings to the team just like the liverpool manager can see it , Torres Gerrard Carra can see it , the Dutch national manager can see it - are they all wrong ?

yes he does work hard and shows passion something others could learn from - but he also creates goals and scores goals and defends when needed and provides an outlet, he keeps possesion and plays it simple when required. he may not have blinding pace and ability to get past people but where has that ever got pennant ?

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:44 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:he is important but he is limited. i find it impossible that you cant find faults with him. he does get credit and im sure there was instances where even PeeWee gave him credit. put it this way, we could do better then kuyt. good squad man. not regular starter unless its games where u have to grind out results like against bolton or everscum.

people who defend Kuyt have admitted his is limited - there arent many players that arent limited .Have found faults in him many times and have posted them just prefer to concentrate on the good as opposed to constantly slagging off a Liverpool player . And as for getting credit - there is posters that would rather curl up and die than give the lad credit.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:51 pm

GYBS wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
GYBS wrote:No matter what good things Kuyt does on the pitch some people will never ever see it due to blinkered tunnel vision and will constantly pick up on any negative thing they can find . Kuyt can score a hat trick and set up three more in a 6 nil romp and some people will still pick out a miss placed pass or bad first touch . quite sad really

When that happens, I'll reconsider my opinion and openly declare my love for him.

I am safe in the knowledge I will never have to do that.

the ones supporting kuyt never seem to find any fault with him. they make him seem as if he's the perfect footballer. and when faults are found against him the same old arguments come up
1) he works hard
2) if not for his goal we wouldnt be/won the ECL

quite sad really.

Thats total rubbish - people defending kuyt know his limitations and accept it and even point it out - you show me where anyone has said he is a perfect footballer ? you show me where people have said he is world class ?

People slag of kuyt no matter what he does and people feel the need to defend him cause they can see what he brings to the team just like the liverpool manager can see it , Torres Gerrard Carra can see it , the Dutch national manager can see it - are they all wrong ?

yes he does work hard and shows passion something others could learn from - but he also creates goals and scores goals and defends when needed and provides an outlet, he keeps possesion and plays it simple when required. he may not have blinding pace and ability to get past people but where has that ever got pennant ?

typical ''if so and so can see it''
is he still the first choice in the dutch team coz if memory serves me right..he isnt.

Maarten STEKELENBURG (GK)
John HEITINGA
Andre OOIJER
Joris MATHIJSEN
Giovanni VAN BRONCKHORST ©
Mark VAN BOMMEL
Robin VAN PERSIE (-70')
Nigel DE JONG
Klaas HUNTELAAR
Rafael VAN DER VAART
Arjen ROBBEN (-82')

that was the team that played recently on 10th Sept 2008 in a WC qualifier. GYBS, for all your optimism, get your facts right.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:56 pm

GYBS wrote:
the ones supporting kuyt never seem to find any fault with him. they make him seem as if he's the perfect footballer. and when faults are found against him the same old arguments come up
1) he works hard
2) if not for his goal we wouldnt be/won the ECL

quite sad really.

Thats total rubbish - people defending kuyt know his limitations and accept it and even point it out - you show me where anyone has said he is a perfect footballer ? you show me where people have said he is world class ?

Agreed, one such quote which sums this up:

I admire Kuyt's work and defend him mainly because the sh!t aimed at him from quarters of this forum is unjustified. He should score more, do better and is as blameworthy as others in some games. But to suggest he is the worst player on the pitch every game lacks credibility, to such an extent the Kuyt bashers seriously lack any full-stop.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:58 pm

Ok he didnt start the last game but still in the squad of 22 (out of how many thousand dutch footballers )and remind me of all the games during the euros ? Did he not start every single match there scoring and setting up goals for them ?

Well the If so and so argument is quite good tbh cause these guys actually work with the player day in day out and are better placed to judge said player than both you or me arent they ?or is your opinion more correct than that of professional footballers, team mates, world class managers

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:59 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
GYBS wrote:
the ones supporting kuyt never seem to find any fault with him. they make him seem as if he's the perfect footballer. and when faults are found against him the same old arguments come up
1) he works hard
2) if not for his goal we wouldnt be/won the ECL

quite sad really.

Thats total rubbish - people defending kuyt know his limitations and accept it and even point it out - you show me where anyone has said he is a perfect footballer ? you show me where people have said he is world class ?

Agreed, one such quote which sums this up:

I admire Kuyt's work and defend him mainly because the sh!t aimed at him from quarters of this forum is unjustified. He should score more, do better and is as blameworthy as others in some games. But to suggest he is the worst player on the pitch every game lacks credibility, to such an extent the Kuyt bashers seriously lack any full-stop.

i dont deny that statement is true and i agree kuyt is a good player but would it kill to drop him to give players like pennant or gerrard a stint on the right?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:02 pm

GYBS wrote:Ok he didnt start the last game but still in the squad of 22 (out of how many thousand dutch footballers )and remind me of all the games during the euros ? Did he not start every single match there scoring and setting up goals for them ?

Well the If so and so argument is quite good tbh cause these guys actually work with the player day in day out and are better placed to judge said player than both you or me arent they ?or is your opinion more correct than that of professional footballers, team mates, world class managers

well if their opinions is so great and they are faultless why dont you and i just shut up and move on, close the forum and wear rose tinted glasses?

you always have the same silly retort about how the pros world class managers are doing it so why question them sort of thing. it seems like you're saying their decisions are as good as yours.

and if you're gonna say ''no, i just agree with them'', im gonna say ''well then, i disagree''

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:11 pm

where did i ever say they were faultless ? where did i ever say i agree with everything they do ?

Its quite simple really certain people will slag off certain players no matter what they do and fail to see the positives they bring to the team/sqaud - luckly for us our manager and players can see that positives and they are better placed to make those calls than any of us and majority of the time they are right and are proven to be so .

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