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[Ciggy]

He didnt actually do anything wrong yesterday believe it not 

[tonyeh]

Ah, hang on Ciggy...I dislike a lot of the Kuyt bashing (even if he deserves the criticism sometimes) but his shots on goal yesterday were absolutely terrible and from too far out. I think he fired at goal three times and three times the ball went 3 or 4 yards to the left of the post. It was ridiculous.

And his forth attempt was just embarassing.

[metalhead]

Had enough of him playing on the right.

drop him, or play him as a striker till keane hit top form.

He's filling the gap. As I said, who's going to fill that role and do a solid job? Pennant is weak as when it comes to helping out the midfield and the full back. I'd rather Kuyt played there until we get someone in January. If people think Rafa is content on constantly playing him as a winger, then they must be mad. If someone is available who can do a job as a winger like Riera is, then no doubt we'll have a new face in January. Wait and see. It's no good just jumping all over a fellas back for trying. That's just a w@nkers trick.

Emerald, there are better players than kuyt in our team that can play on the right, Gerrard is twice the player on the right than kuyt. Why not play Gerrard temporarily on the right till january, we get a quality right midfield and shift him back to the center?

[Effes]

Surely Babel is worth trying out on the right, especially at Everton where
they were cack at defending down their left side against Liege.

[MASTER]

It is at Goodison though so there will be more heavy tackles unpunished so we should probably start with Kuyt as he can take it more then aroud 60 send on Babel for him, and they will just retreat or get dismantled.

Also the ref may want to level the score after last season when the bitters think they were cheated and that will be all Moyes talks about before the game.

[Judge]

He didnt actually do anything wrong yesterday believe it not 

your lying of course

[triggerred38]

I have a guy who works under me in my sales area.

He has never been sick
Always worked his butt off
Attitude is first class
110% loyal to me

Yet..... his sales performance is below average and some of his peers do nearly double his commission

My point is this..........

I have found it very, very, hard take him to task over the sales matter and he was quite upset as he quite rightly pointed out all the above.

My reply to all of this was....

No matter, your here to sell and if cannot hit targets you will be looking for a new job next year.

Rafa - your here to manage the team and to get results so if Dirk is as bad as you all say he is on a consistent basis then its time you did what I had to and tell him to shape up or f... off.

Stoke - what a humiliation

[Judge]

I have a guy who works under me in my sales area.

He has never been sick
Always worked his butt off
Attitude is first class
110% loyal to me

Yet..... his sales performance is below average and some of his peers do nearly double his commission

My point is this..........

I have found it very, very, hard take him to task over the sales matter and he was quite upset as he quite rightly pointed out all the above.

My reply to all of this was....

No matter, your here to sell and if cannot hit targets you will be looking for a new job next year.

Rafa - your here to manage the team and to get results so if Dirk is as bad as you all say he is on a consistent basis then its time you did what I had to and tell him to shape up or f... off.

Stoke - what a humiliation

his performance is below average, but you didnt say if he was hitting his targets? he may be hitting target but thats less than all the others

at least his commitment is better. but i dont feel its the same as with dirk.
sales managers are cu'nts and show no loyalty to hard work and time keeping, but rafa isnt

[Bad Bob]

Surely Babel is worth trying out on the right, especially at Everton where
they were cack at defending down their left side against Liege.

A lot of people are asking this question, mate, and I think it's worth a look too (perhaps tomorrow night).  The thing is, I can't remember Rafa ever playing him over there since he's been with us.  I can't understand why a naturally right-footed player has only played down the left (with a few cameos up top) for us.  The only explanation I can think of is that he's so pants at crossing the ball, even with his strong foot, that Rafa prefers him to line up left so that he can cut infield and shoot with his right more effectively.

[Johnny Boy]

Kuyt, I like his attitude, he is a real team player and always gives 100%.
Only problem is to succeed in a top side and help us to achieve more success he needs to have more to his game.

I believe he is more effective in a central role, and feel part of the criticism of him is mainly due to the fact
Rafa hasn't really solved the problem position on the right hand side.

Whilst Pennant in my opinion is inconsistent and not quite good enough he still represents a better option that Kuyt in
that position.
If Rafa must pick him give him a chance and let him play up front now and again.

Johnny

[account deleted by request]

Surely Babel is worth trying out on the right, especially at Everton where
they were cack at defending down their left side against Liege.

A lot of people are asking this question, mate, and I think it's worth a look too (perhaps tomorrow night).  The thing is, I can't remember Rafa ever playing him over there since he's been with us.  I can't understand why a naturally right-footed player has only played down the left (with a few cameos up top) for us.  The only explanation I can think of is that he's so pants at crossing the ball, even with his strong foot, that Rafa prefers him to line up left so that he can cut infield and shoot with his right more effectively.

Its not that unusual Bob, Peter Thompson was right footed and played all his career on the left wing. Emlyn Hughes also right footed but played left back both for us and England. Steve Heighway played both left and right wing for us.

I think Babel has played all his career up to now on the left, so he must prefer it ?

[Johnny Boy]

Surely Babel is worth trying out on the right, especially at Everton where
they were cack at defending down their left side against Liege.

A lot of people are asking this question, mate, and I think it's worth a look too (perhaps tomorrow night).  The thing is, I can't remember Rafa ever playing him over there since he's been with us.  I can't understand why a naturally right-footed player has only played down the left (with a few cameos up top) for us.  The only explanation I can think of is that he's so pants at crossing the ball, even with his strong foot, that Rafa prefers him to line up left so that he can cut infield and shoot with his right more effectively.

Its not that unusual Bob, Peter Thompson was right footed and played all his career on the left wing. Emlyn Hughes also right footed but played left back both for us and England. Steve Heighway played both left and right wing for us.

I think Babel has played all his career up to now on the left, so he must prefer it ?

Babel often cuts inside when he plays on the left, and is I would have thought more than capable of playing right side.

He is actually stronger with his right foot also.

It's worth a go and with Pennant out of favour I am surprised Rafa has not tried him there.

Johnny

[burjennio]

tell you what if you single out kuyt for his performance against stoke you are totally scapegoating him, considering the 2 front men where absolutely shocking, xabi alonso will never get more time on the ball and couldnt make one chance creating pass and S gerrard hit every single row of the kop end with his shooting. for god sake hes doin a job on the right of midfield and FWIW, he would have buried both of keanes chances if hed been in the strikers position cause hed have blasted them, not tried to be cute with a side foot finish. some of you lot get right on my t1ts with your unashamed hatred of the dutchman

[Owzat]

tell you what if you single out kuyt for his performance against stoke you are totally scapegoating him, considering the 2 front men where absolutely shocking, xabi alonso will never get more time on the ball and couldnt make one chance creating pass and S gerrard hit every single row of the kop end with his shooting. for god sake hes doin a job on the right of midfield and FWIW, he would have buried both of keanes chances if hed been in the strikers position cause hed have blasted them, not tried to be cute with a side foot finish. some of you lot get right on my t1ts with your unashamed hatred of the dutchman

Well said. This witch hunt of Kuyt is past a joke, Keane does next to nothing and doesn't get half the flak. In fact he ran around chasing the ball "WORKING HARD" against the mancs, like Kuyt does, and gets more praise for that than Kuyt does for getting an assist or goal.

[tonyeh]

Surely Babel is worth trying out on the right, especially at Everton where
they were cack at defending down their left side against Liege.

A lot of people are asking this question, mate, and I think it's worth a look too (perhaps tomorrow night).  The thing is, I can't remember Rafa ever playing him over there since he's been with us.  I can't understand why a naturally right-footed player has only played down the left (with a few cameos up top) for us.  The only explanation I can think of is that he's so pants at crossing the ball, even with his strong foot, that Rafa prefers him to line up left so that he can cut infield and shoot with his right more effectively.

I've been thinking this too. Rafa must surely have tried him (and others) out on that weak right spot during training.

Perhaps he just didn't shine, or maybe you're correct and Rafa believes that the odd run and a crack at goal is what he wants Babel for.

The signing of Riera has left Babel in a bit of a 5th wheel situation though. I think taking Riera off and putting Babel on last weekend was absolute madness and I don't want that repeated.

I still believe Rafa should play Pennant on the right for a few games. He is a RWM after all and I think it's odd, to say the least that he never gets a game.

In my book there's not much to chose between Pennant and Kuyt (Kuyt puts more work in an dI reckon he's a better personality all round), but at least that area is Pennant's ground. There has to be something said for that.

The best mid we have to offer, I think, is

Riera Masch Gerrard Pennant/Babel