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by **account deleted by request** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:13 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:I think if Rafa is to stay we should bring in a director of football (Dalglish or equivolent). Let Rafa get on with doing what he does best, coaching, and leave the signing of players to someone who is good at it. Rafa has surrounded himself with "yes men" since the two Paco's left. We need someone that he WILL LISTEN TO. No matter how good or bad you are as a manager there are always times when someone needs to stand up and say I think you are wrong...... something I don't think happens anymore at Liverpool, at least not without being moved on rather quickly.

Maybe I really am getting to old for this sh'it, cliches I understand even though they don't actually enlighten me .

Maybe you could add a bit more substance ?

we should bring in a director of football (Dalglish or equivolent)

What does a director of football actually do ? does he vet/oversee all the managers decisions ? (Can you see any self respecting manager living with that ?) and why Dalglish ? if Dalglish fails to fit the template who are the (sic)
"... equivolent"
alternatives ?

A director of football deals with all transfers, and is there to offer support, assistance and advice when required. Obviously the role varies from club to club, but most clubs are slowly moving to appointing them now.

No, as far as I am aware , their job is not to oversee the managers decisions, but to offer advice and support (when asked), with their main role being part of the old C.E.O role to deal with all transfers. The difference being they have a football background rather than a mainly financial one.

Frank Arnesen off Chelsea was probably the most famous and successful in this country.

Avram Grant was another at Portsmouth before becomiing Manager I believe.

Juve have just appointed Beppe Marotta

Try google for more.

I think Dalglish would be good at the job which is a pretty good reason. He has always had an interest in kids (not the perv kind), good in the transfer market at spotting young talent. Knows the pressures of being a manager, and has already done the job both at Blackburn and Celtic.

by **woof woof !** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:22 pm

Googled it already , all I got was

"Check with Saint, we are unable to verify his claim that

most clubs are slowly moving to appointing them now.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:23 pm

woof woof ! wrote:Googled it already , all I got was

"Check with Saint, we are unable to verify his claim that
most clubs are slowly moving to appointing them now.

You will just have to take my word for it then. Or maybe this might help :-

Frank Arnesen: Was promoted to the role at Chelsea in 2009 following his four year spell as Chief Scout
Uli Hoeneß: Performs the Sporting Director responsibilities in his role as General Manager of Bayern Munich where he has been since 1979
Gianluca Nani: Joined West Ham United in March 2008 as Technical Director. He carries out several responsibilities of a Sporting Director
Gerry Murphy: Was promoted to the position at Huddersfield Town in January 2007 after serving 19 years as Academy Director
Txiki Beguiristáin: Currently serving in the position at Barcelona
Umberto Gandini: Currently performing the role at AC Milan
Costinha: The former player is currently in the role at his beloved club, Sporting Clube de Portugal
David Pleat: Having formerly performed the role at Tottenham Hotspur and Nottingham Forest, he is now in the position at UD Marbella
Ramon Rodriguez: Currently serving in the position at Sevilla FC
Nick Hammond: Performed the role at Reading since 2003
Earnie Stewart: The former US star, has fulfilled the responsibilities of a Sporting Director at his former club NAC Breda since May 2006 where he is the Technical Director
John Rudge: Currently in the role at Stoke City
Willie Miller: Director of Footballing Operations at Aberdeen
Lennie Lawrence: The former Middlesbrough and Charlton Athletic manager has been working in the position at Bristol Rovers since 2005
Barry Fry: Currently serving at Peterborough
Ron Atkinson: The former Manchester United, Sheffield Wednesday and Nottingham Forest manager, had previously performed the role at Coventry City and Kettering Town. He is now in the position at Halesowen Town
Pierpaolo Marino: Currently serving in the position at Napoli
Pantaleo Corvino: Currently serving in the position at Fiorentina, he gained a reputation for scouting new talents at Lecce
Alessio Secco: Currently serving in the position at Juventus
Jim Leishman: Currently serving in the position at Dunfermline Athletic
Rui Costa: Is currently serving at Benfica where he finished his playing career in 2008
Avram Grant: Was appointed to the role at Chelsea in July 2007. His appointment was met with disapproval from then Head Coach Jose Mourinho and subsequently Mourinho left the club in September 2007 and was replaced by Grant. Announced as Director of Football at Portsmouth on 7 October 2009
Mo Johnston

Sven-Göran Eriksson: Was handed the role at English League Two side Notts County in July 2009, but the role was short lived when he departed the club in February 2010
Craig Levein Was both Director of Football and Manager at Dundee United, until he departed to take charge of Scotland in early 2010
Avram Grant: Was appointed to the role at Chelsea in July 2007. His appointment was met with disapproval from then Head Coach Jose Mourinho and subsequently Mourinho left the club in September 2007 and was replaced by Grant. Announced as Director of Football at Portsmouth on 7 October 2009, but relinquished the role in favour of becoming the clubs manager following the departure of Paul Hart on 24 November
Alexi Lalas: Former general manager at MLS club LA Galaxy
Franco Baldini: The incumbent General Manager of England, served in the position at Roma from 1999-2005
Brian Kerr: Took the role at St Patrick's Athletic FC from 2007-2008
David Dein: Served as Vice-Chairman of Arsenal between 1983-2007, during which time, he performed the roles of a Director of Football
Predrag Mijatović: Appointed Director of Football at Real Madrid in July 2006 by Ramón Calderón, the then newly elected Club President. In May 2009, the club announced Mijatović's departure shortly after the disgraced Calderón resigned in the midst of electoral fraud allegations
Dennis Wise: Became Executive Director of Football at Newcastle United in January 2008, at the same time as Kevin Keegan's appointment as Manager. He left the club in April 2009 following the appointment of Alan Shearer as Manager
Damien Comolli: Took over at Tottenham Hotspur in 2005. He served until 2008 when he was sacked along with Head Coach Juande Ramos and the rest of the coaching staff
Joe Kinnear: After leaving the post at Oxford United, Kinnear briefly performed the role at Luton Town. In 2001, he went on to install himself as manager and demoted his predecessor Lil Fuccillo to First-Team Coach. In doing this he relinquished his Director of Football responsibilities
Lawrie McMenemy: Took the role at Southampton in 1993-1997. During this time he worked alongside managers, Alan Ball, Dave Merrington and Graeme Souness
Kenny Dalglish: Held the position at Blackburn Rovers from 1995-1996 and then at Celtic from 1999-2000
Ricardo Sá Pinto: The former player occupied this role at his beloved club, Sporting Clube de Portugal
David Pleat: Performed the role at Tottenham from 1998 to 2004, as well as performing three separate periods as caretaker manager
Steve Coppell: Took the role at Crystal Palace in 1995-1996 and then in 1998-1999 after two separate stints as manager
Harry Redknapp: Became Director of Football at Portsmouth in 2001. Following the clubs poor performance towards the end of the 2001-02 season, Redknapp replaced Graham Rix as Manager
Sir Clive Woodward: Accepted the role at Southampton in 2005 when George Burley was appointed Head Coach. He left in 2006
Murdo Mackay: Held the position at Derby County from 2003-2006. He played huge part in the appointment and removal of George Burley
Dave Bassett: Took the role at Leicester City in 2002 after serving as manager the previous season. He left the job in 2004
Bob Dowie: Held the position at Crystal Palace from 2004-2006 working alongside his brother Iain
Eduard Malofeyev: Held the position for four months at Hearts in 2006. He had a brief spell as interim Head Coach, before leaving in November to join MTZ-RIPO
Dick Advocaat: Held this position at Rangers for 3 months, after leaving his job as manager, but quickly resigned
Valdas Ivanauskas: After serving as Head Coach at Hearts for eight months, Ivanauskas was rumoured to be moving into the position in February 2007. This was never made official and he left the club in March 2007
John Deehan: Former Norwich manager, previously performed the role at Northampton and then at Lincoln City from 2006-2007 alongside Head Coach John Schofield
Keith Alexander: After to previously managing Lincoln City and Peterborough United accepted the role at Bury in May 2007. He was sacked at the same time as Head Coach Chris Casper in 2008
Giovanni Trapattoni: Was appointed to the position as Red Bull Salzburg in May 2006 to work alongside Head Coach, Lothar Matthäus. He served as Manager and Director of Football. Trapattoni left in May 2008 to take over the Irish national team
Craig Brown: Formerly performed the role at Fulham, went on to serve in the role at Derby County, but left at the same time as Manager Billy Davies in 2008
Mick Wadsworth: Has served as Director of Football and Assistant Manager at Gretna since July 2007. He left the club before they fell into liquidation and ceased to exist in 2008
Anatoly Korobochka: Served as Director of Football at Hearts from November 2006 until 22 July 2009 after stepping down to continue other footballing interests

Google's your friend :laugh:

by **woof woof !** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:28 pm

s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Googled it already , all I got was

"Check with Saint, we are unable to verify his claim that
most clubs are slowly moving to appointing them now.

You will just have to take my word for it then.

Mate, that may have worked for you with the people down at the job center but my office doesn't have wheelchair access.

by **lakes10** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:29 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
lakes10 wrote:Rafa can not be the manager here next year, he is two faced and slags the club off to the press all the time.

Whether you want Rafa here next season or not is worthy of debate BUT "Slags the club off blah blah blah" has lost me

Explain

ok so the word slags might be a bit strong, but talking negative about the clubs set up and the way he spoke about his contract did not go down well with me, there are some thing i think is the manager responsibility to keep out of the press.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:30 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Googled it already , all I got was

"Check with Saint, we are unable to verify his claim that
most clubs are slowly moving to appointing them now.

You will just have to take my word for it then.

Mate, that may have worked for you with the people down at the job center but my office doesn't have wheelchair access.

Job centre ? I am not applying for the position of director of football..... so what the feck are you on about?

by **tubby** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:32 pm

lakes10 wrote:theres another report from Rafas agent saying that the talk have gone well with liverpool.

come on, Rafa can not be the manager here next year, he is two faced and slags the club off to the press all the time.

I for one will be glad if he stays. He's a top manager and deserves the respect of the fans. Ok so he made some mistakes but I don't think we would be able to get as good a manager if he went.

We look to be signing some promising homegrown youngsters now all he needs is to be able to spend whatever he brings in, maybe give him 25mil on top of that and we can try and get 4th place next season.

by **woof woof !** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:39 pm

lakes10 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
lakes10 wrote:Rafa can not be the manager here next year, he is two faced and slags the club off to the press all the time.

Whether you want Rafa here next season or not is worthy of debate BUT "Slags the club off blah blah blah" has lost me

Explain

ok so the word slags might be a bit strong, but talking negative about the clubs set up and the way he spoke about his contract did not go down well with me, there are some thing i think is the manager responsibility to keep out of the press.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you Lakes BUT so I (and others) fully understand where you're coming from, can you supply some examples that add substance to your comment

talking negative about the clubs set up and the way he spoke about his contract did not go down well with me, there are some thing i think is the manager responsibility to keep out of the press.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:39 pm

bavlondon wrote:try and get 4th place next season.

Fine ambition for our club Bav

by **tubby** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:42 pm

s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:try and get 4th place next season.

Fine ambition for our club Bav

I know and it gets under my skin too but we don't have that sort of money to be able to compete on that level now.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:44 pm

bavlondon wrote:
s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:try and get 4th place next season.

Fine ambition for our club Bav

I know and it gets under my skin too but we don't have that sort of money to be able to compete on that level now.

We managed it last season .....even with Rafa , just think what we could do with a better manager.

by **woof woof !** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:46 pm

s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:Googled it already , all I got was

"Check with Saint, we are unable to verify his claim that
most clubs are slowly moving to appointing them now.

You will just have to take my word for it then.

Mate, that may have worked for you with the people down at the job center but my office doesn't have wheelchair access.

Job centre ? I am not applying for the position of director of football..... so what the feck are you on about?

Calm down Saint , didn't realise that the phrase "job center" touched a nerve.

ps what positions have you been applying for ?

by **account deleted by request** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:51 pm

woof woof ! wrote:Calm down Saint , didn't realise that the phrase "job center" touched a nerve.

ps what positions have you been applying for ?

You didn't touch a nerve , I am not out of work and I have no idea where you may have got that idea from.

Maybe its the alzheimer's confusing you. Just keep taking your medication.

by **tubby** » Sat May 08, 2010 4:52 pm

s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:try and get 4th place next season.

Fine ambition for our club Bav

I know and it gets under my skin too but we don't have that sort of money to be able to compete on that level now.

We managed it last season .....even with Rafa , just think what we could do with a better manager.

I don't think we did manage it last season. Last season we were luckier than this season with injuries so our strength in depth was never tested. This season it was exposed and there for all to see.

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