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[Penguins]

Even if you have serious disagreements with his management this year you can't not see that him leaving under the current circumstances would be a disaster surely? The manager is the only thing fighting for us as a football club within the club. He's the only person in a senior position who's primary goal is the same as ours.

With the instability we see around us, the manager staying and keeping his squad together is the best footballing option we have.

Why would it be a disaster ? It is constantly repeated by a few here and i still dont understand how it would be a disaster if he left ?

Is he helping reduce the loans ? NO
Is he making our financial situation worse ? YES
Under any owners, Rafa's dealings in the market would be regarded a waste.. His release of key AND less important staff members has cost the club a ton of money and signing replacements has no doubt done the same. Were they all necessary changes that had to be done ? Not to me.. He wanted things done his way because he thought it would ultimately lead to better performances on and off the pitch.. So far, its fair to say they have made things worse at both ends. As a fan, this is NOT what i want.. Rafa's primary goal IS NOT the same as mine.. His goal is to have things done his way.. if that doesnt work then he wants more money to give it another go and try something new.. doesnt work like that, never did and never should.

Another thing.. when you say fighting for us inside the club... what do you mean ?

As far as i can tell, the owners want out and Rafa, the players and the fans want the same.. Until a bid is made and accepted, none of the above mentioned people can do anything but try to make the best out of the situation.

Has Rafa done that ? NO

What Rafa fights for mate is what Rafa wants.. What he wants right now is more money... When the reports about Torres being sold came out his main concern was about whether he'd be given the money to spend or whether it would be used up by the owners to reduce debts... Sound like someone concerned about the club's financial stability or the players in his squad ? not to me...

The only person in a primary position with the same goals as ours ?

So you think the owners dont want THEIR club to succeed ? You think they enjoy the fact that we ended the season 7th with no CL and no CL money for next season ?
Enough with the nonsense already, they want us to succeed just as bad and we do.. They have different reasons for wanting it but make no mistake about it they want it all the same..

For as long as i remember i've been saying that the owners just want to sell the club at a profit.. They HAVe backed the manager up and have done so every season... The accounts from this season are out today if im not mistaken and it comes as no shock to me that our losses have increased and mainly due to player signings and staff contract terminations/signings...

As things stand, the owners have backed the manager up, they've provided the resources and he's fcked it up...

By all the means criticize the owners for all the wrong they've .. want them out all you will and protest against them and all that...

But FFS stop using them as an excuse for the manager whenever things start going wrong on the pitch.. 
Its 2 separate matters and wanting the owners out shouldnt mean that you want Rafa to stay as manager simply because he wants them out too..

What is this about the owners wanting to succeed?
Are you kidding me?

If you invest 0 money how the f*** do you as an owner excpet to succeed?

That is a one way ticket to failure no matter how you slice and dice it and it should come as no surprise as you'll end up with a club going from 4th to 7th to 10th etc.
Just hollow words to want to win but not put in a penny to make it happen.

The owners have backed Rafa?
Ffs, which closet have you been in these past 2 years Ace?
He is bringing in more money from selling players than paying out to buy players. That the owners backed Rafa 2006 and 2007 means jack all.
And where is all that tv money, CL money that the club has recieved every year Rafa has been here?
That is like 30-40 million a year at least.
Our losses increases because the owners plainly refuse to invest any money so the interest payments go up every year.

[NANNY RED]

Hiya everyone . not been near a commputer for 2 weeks good init ,but see our Rafa is still here   

[tubby]

most probably be a load of sh!t, I should of known not to be so hasty, Andy Townsend said they have been inundated with emails saying that something about to happen on merseyside regarding Rafael Benitez

Where's Lakes when we need him 

Inundating Andy Townsend with emails presumably. 

Here is an explanation to all the emails that Townsend is going on about:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=257694.0

Why is the Register function disabled on RAWK ?

Its been off for about a year!

It was on for a bit mate I managed to register last year sometime but I recall it being disabled before then too so I must caught it at the right time.

[roberto green]

Hiya everyone . not been near a commputer for 2 weeks good init ,but see our Rafa is still here   

Hello nan good to see you back

[andy_g]

Hiya everyone . not been near a commputer for 2 weeks good init ,but see our Rafa is still here   

a commuter or a computer? or a commuting computer?

hi anyway, nan. i'm sure the club will feel comfortable announcing his resignation now you're back on line.

[account deleted by request]

Hiya everyone . not been near a commputer for 2 weeks good init ,but see our Rafa is still here   

He was just waiting till you got back before saying goodbye Nan 

[teamleader1]

Like it or not Rafa Benitez is the only thing holding this Club together. Him going now would only make things significantly worse.

It also does my head in when fans come out with such sh#te cliches as "he's taken the club as far as he can" and "he's lost the dressing room".

On the pitch, i dont think things can get any worse than they were this season.. With the quality of players at the club and the financial ability i think he's massively underperformed this season..

Off the pitch (which i assume is what you meant), i think his contributions are negligible if not negative.. Changing the whole staff, signing a massive contract and not using the money hes been given wisely have all contributed to a) our financial situation not improving and b) us needing money we dont seem to have to get things back on track...

I appreciate that many seem to support him and still believe that he can turn things around on the pitch, but just for the life of me cant seem to understand what it is that hes doing thats so great in terms of trying to push the owners out... Asking for more money ? or maybe running to the media at every chance to complain about the owners ? blaming the board for our performances on the pitch ? wasting big money on players who fail to make an impact and then blaming the playing staff for being inadequate ? The club is already up for sale ffs... the owners want out almost as much as fans want to see them out.. If anything, his media outbursts do the chances of the club being sold more harm than good.. same with his performances on the pitch and his transfer dealings..

PS: It also does MY head in when fans come out with such sh#te cliches as "Benitez is the only thing holding this Club together" and "Him going now would only make things significantly worse.".

It does my head in that some cant (or wont) admit that Rafa has done anything wrong.
Then again Rafa himself thinks hes done a great job.

Sadly hes proving to be more of a con man than any kind of great manager.

[NANNY RED]

Hiya everyone . not been near a commputer for 2 weeks good init ,but see our Rafa is still here   

He was just waiting till you got back before saying goodbye Nan 

Seen him meself the other night at Anfield .him an Montse , never said a word about leaving . him an Montse were just raising money with the buy a brick appeal. they both looked fine to me,  An Montse is deffo a scouser

I dont know if this has been posted but ill stick it up an if it has already let us know an ill delete it,

Purslow you sh.ithouse, that is all

From Anfieldroad.com (thanks to Don Vito Corleone)

By Tom Wilson and Jim Boardman

On Saturday a senior Liverpool official made it perfectly clear that there was absolutely nothing to read from the fact that Reds boss Rafa Benítez was yet to meet new chairman Martin Broughton. He claimed it was all part of some plot to paint a false picture of disharmony at Anfield. He got on great with Rafa and Rafa was happy.

Even now it’s difficult to work out how he thought anyone would fall for that. Or why he seems to tell different stories to different people. People compare notes, compare what he’s told them, then shake their heads.

On Saturday the senior official said that there had been one meeting planned. It would have been ahead of the first-leg of the Europa League semi against Atlético Madrid, but volcanic ash put paid to that idea. When the call came out for the squad to meet up at Runcorn station, the meeting was unsurprisingly called off.

Obviously the new chairman is quite different to the last man to have the job all to himself. David Moores used to travel on the team bus with the squad; Martin Broughton doesn’t come across as someone who would feel comfortable slumming it across Europe in first class with the players.

According to the senior Liverpool on Saturday, no other meeting had been scheduled so far. The first opportunity following the journey to Madrid would probably have been tied in with the return leg a week later, but with Rafa unavailable until after midnight it was decided, the senior official said, that there was no time for the chairman to meet the manager. Presumably the chairman – who of course has other responsibilities away from Liverpool FC – was unable to pop round to Melwood the following morning.

That following morning, the Friday, had been the day before the senior official was explaining why there hadn’t yet been a meeting. And at almost the exact time as the senior Liverpool official was explaining why there hadn’t been a meeting so far, the club’s official site was making it clear that the next opportunity for a meeting was also going to be missed.

Liverpool’s last home game of the season was the following day, the Sunday, against the team Martin Broughton has supported all his life, Chelsea. Broughton had presumably set off home early on Friday morning after watching the Atlético game, and he told the official site he wouldn’t be coming back up for that Chelsea match. He wasn’t even going to be in the city for the game, he didn’t want to be seen to celebrate any Chelsea goals. “The only sensible thing is for me to stay at home and watch it on the television,” he said.

So he wasn’t exactly making himself available for a meeting with Rafa, which in itself isn’t really a major issue. He’d cleared off before Rafa was available on the Thursday night, he didn’t stick around on Friday to meet then and he didn’t come back up on Saturday in preparation for the Sunday match, so no chance of squeezing a meeting in there.

Rafa did want to talk to him, but there clearly hadn’t been time. It was frustrating but understandable. Surely a meeting would be held before the week was out, with no game for Liverpool Rafa would have more room in his own diary to match up with Broughton’s no-doubt hectic schedule.

But then came the story on the BBC website, and other BBC outlets, soon to spread like wildfire around the rest of the media.

“Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has cancelled two scheduled face-to-face meetings with the club’s new chairman, Martin Broughton,” wrote David Bond, the BBC’s replacement for Mihir Bose as Sports Editor.

Bond had the same title at the Telegraph before joining the BBC, but will be best remembered by Liverpool fans from his time as the paper’s Chief Sports Reporter. From knowing full details of Gillett and Hick’s refinancing deal with RBS before it was announced, to publishing emails DIC and Amanda Staveley had been sent by Hicks, Bond was clearly getting information from people inside and outside the club during that very turbulent period.

So who would be talking to him now? Whoever it was wanted to add more weight to the campaign to see Rafa hounded out of the club. “It is understood that he [Benítez] pulled out of talks with Broughton last week and another the week before,” wrote Bond.

As has just been explained, Rafa did not cancel any meetings with Broughton, and whatever any fan thinks of Benítez, or where his future should be, the fact that someone from Liverpool is trying to smear the manager should set alarm bells ringing loud and clear.

This is about far more than Rafael Benítez. This is just the latest in a long line of examples of the press being briefed about Rafa in a way that certainly wasn’t designed to be supportive of the manager. What other lies are being peddled?

Even Bond seemed to be unsure of exactly what the story was, writing: “It is not clear why Benitez cancelled the meetings with Broughton, although the last two weeks have been affected by preparations for Liverpool’s Europa League semi-final meetings with Atletico Madrid. The first week in particular was heavily disrupted as Benitez’s team were forced to make the long journey to the Spanish capital by road and rail after flights were grounded by ash from the Icelandic volcano.”

Benítez didn’t cancel the meetings, but if he had it was probably slightly more important he got on that train at Runcorn than staying back to meet Broughton. Even Rafa can’t be blamed for the volcanic ash. So why would someone at Anfield feed the BBC this “story”?

There aren’t too many candidates for the source of this latest leak. Bond said it came from a Liverpool board member: “There is some surprise inside the Anfield boardroom at the timing of Benitez’s call on Tuesday for an urgent meeting with Broughton to discuss the future.”

Bond was one of the first reporters to interview Martin Broughton after his appointment, so perhaps he is a candidate for this story being fed to the press. But Broughton wasn’t at the club when the earliest briefings against Rafa began, to other members of the press. Of course it’s always possible that somebody else told Broughton that Rafa had cancelled the meetings. Someone wary of Rafa actually getting to meet the chairman, and telling the chairman exactly what has been going on.

One subtle hint that somebody was talking out of turn came in one of the infamous Henry Winter columns. In November he wrote: “The impressive managing director, Christian Purslow, is not the type for knee-jerk reactions. But it is known around Anfield that Purslow has talked to Benítez about his style of management, notably his cold detachment from the players.”

So back in November someone from the club was telling Henry Winter that Benítez had been given a dressing-down by Purslow, that Benítez was being told how to manage his players, essentially being told how to do his job. And it’s as obvious as it looks exactly who it was that impressed this information on Winter.

That wasn’t all that Winter learned from his new source: “Liverpool can afford to sack Benítez,” wrote Winter. “Compensation would be less than £5 million under the ‘mitigating the loss’ principle if he found employment.” Which perhaps should now have Winter scratching his head as to why impressive people would be on the phone to him angrily criticising the manager instead of just sacking him.

And it’s not as if Winter wasn’t afforded the opportunity to ask that question. No prizes for guessing which senior Liverpool official spent a good part of the bank holiday weekend frantically phoning around trying to get his side, or one of his sides, of the story over. It was almost as if he was frightened that the truth might come out. And Winter had a chance to challenge this particular Liverpool board member on where his stories didn’t really add up. But some reporters would rather just take the information they’re fed and repeat it, hoping there’s plenty more where that came from, than question what they are being told.

Having managed to get so many column inches out of the politicking of a certain LFC board member, Winter completely missed the irony of his opening paragraph: “If Rafael Benítez truly respects Liverpool Football Club he’ll leave Anfield today. The players have lost the faith, the boardroom is unimpressed with the politicking and the supporters are suffering, albeit in silence.”

When the truth does come out about a certain LFC board member and his efforts to keep the truth from the supporters, perhaps that silence will be broken. And maybe that silence needs to be broken. Maybe the efforts to keep the attention on Benítez to take it away from the failings of the Managing Director and the owners he worked for need to be emphasised a little more. And that might just be a bit messy – but what’s new? That’s how it’s been at Anfield for some time. “If he stays, the inevitable long goodbye becomes indescribably messy, distressing for all concerned and demeaning to a club of Liverpool’s great history. This is not a warning for Benítez, this is a fact,” wrote Winter. The same fact applies, but much more strongly, to the club’s temporary MD.

Bill Shankly was the man who made Liverpool great, the man who brought so much of that “great history” to the club. Nobody knows what he would have made of Benitez; chances are he would have seen good and bad in him and he could well have been saying Rafa’s time was up by now. But it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to work out what he would have thought of the club’s owners. And it takes even less imagination to work out what he would have thought of Christian Purslow. And less still what he would have thought of the tactics employed by the club’s current custodian to force Rafa out.

Shanks would also have torn a strip off Henry Winter had he ever been unfortunate enough to cross his path. Winter wrote of Rafa: “He’s got a centre-back at left-back and a holding midfielder at right-back.” With the only two left-backs at the club injured, what else was Rafa meant to do? One thing Rafa tried was putting the right-back at left-back, which was why the holding midfielder played at right-back on the Thursday. By the Sunday the right-back was injured too, which is why the centre-back went to left-back, and the holding midfielder stayed at right-back. This isn’t a string of excuses; it’s just some simple facts. Liverpool have to make do and mend.

Christian Purlsow’s arrival coincided with spending on transfers that, going off the fees available in public, went from being “net spend” to “net profit”. Liverpool brought more in than went out last year. That’s the calendar year 2009.

When Winter used the phrase “How embarrassing,” in his article it surely should have been to describe his own willingness to stick up so transparently for his source in the Liverpool boardroom. And really his article didn’t deserve much more time than that, as went into some kind of rant out of sympathy to his new friend on the board at Anfield.

That new friend should have the balls to stand up in public and say what he’s saying privately to the press, if he truly believes it and feels it would stand up to scrutiny. But he knows that, despite claims to the contrary, most Liverpool fans either want Benítez to stay or only want him to leave because they feel he’s been worn down by the unnecessary pressures of the past few years. The vast majority of fans will always consider Benítez a hero, whatever happens.

And that is what frightens the board member. He knows that sooner or later the manager will blow him up for what he’s done. He knows that more and more people are starting to see through him. And he knows that if he sacks the manager he’ll never be forgiven.

Liverpool’s new chairman was appointed in a non-executive role. The senior Liverpool official constantly points out that the new chairman was appointed in that way, and that he has no control over the actual running of the club, that he’s merely there to sell the club.

But the senior Liverpool official fails to mention something very important about the role of a non-executive director. According to the government-commissioned Higgs report, non-executive directors “are responsible for… where necessary removing, senior management.”

Surely a senior Liverpool official briefing the press against the club’s manager, over such a sustained period, is grounds for his removal. His decision to bad-mouth the club’s owners, however accurate it might be, is hardly the best way to attract £100m of investment. And that was his major objective when appointed. Perhaps he wanted to delay the partial sale to prolong his own career as Mr Liverpool, to help build up that empire. Is this not also grounds for removal? To discuss transfer targets – even if they are his own, not the manager’s – with the press is also grounds for removal. The list goes on.

And that, Martin Broughton, is where you come in. You need to get to the bottom of this mess and you need to get to the bottom of it fast.

It’s not just your reputation that depends on it.

[account deleted by request]

Shockingly poor article.

You see it's articles like this which sum up why or fans dislike the "media" in this country.

Half of it is completely inaccurate. I mean if you're going to spout a load of nonsense at least get your facts right.

Unlike the people who said that about the article I posted, I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE   

Shanks would also have torn a strip off Henry Winter had he ever been unfortunate enough to cross his path. Winter wrote of Rafa: “He’s got a centre-back at left-back and a holding midfielder at right-back.” With the only two left-backs at the club injured, what else was Rafa meant to do? One thing Rafa tried was putting the right-back at left-back, which was why the holding midfielder played at right-back on the Thursday. By the Sunday the right-back was injured too, which is why the centre-back went to left-back, and the holding midfielder stayed at right-back. This isn’t a string of excuses; it’s just some simple facts. Liverpool have to make do and mend.

We had a right back available ..... Degan ...... don't laugh its true.

As for leaking things to the press, at least Purslow hasn't resorted to quotes being attributed to "friends " when in fact it was actually Rafa himself as happened last year.

[account deleted by request]

Sorry Nan, I didn't mean to spoil your article, but it had already been posted. Bitter....... me ....... never !

[NANNY RED]

Sorry Nan, I didn't mean to spoil your article, but it had already been posted. Bitter....... me ....... never !

I havnt heard any news Saint well only from bitter bluenose taxi drivers an ive only just read that article on another site.

[red37]

Thanks for the read Nan. Depressing stuff.

I don't know about hung parliaments. How about a hung boardroom - and while we're at it each and every one of 'em themselves deserves stringing up!

[Igor Zidane]

Sorry but did anyone see the accounts today , do we not think that RAFAEL BENITEZ is a bit of a side issue now ? 

[account deleted by request]

Sorry but did anyone see the accounts today , do we not think that RAFAEL BENITEZ is a bit of a side issue now ? 

I do mate, I was just getting a few last kicks in 

[maguskwt]

Hiya everyone . not been near a commputer for 2 weeks good init ,but see our Rafa is still here   

He was just waiting till you got back before saying goodbye Nan 

Seen him meself the other night at Anfield .him an Montse , never said a word about leaving . him an Montse were just raising money with the buy a brick appeal. they both looked fine to me,  An Montse is deffo a scouser

I dont know if this has been posted but ill stick it up an if it has already let us know an ill delete it,

Purslow you sh.ithouse, that is all

From Anfieldroad.com (thanks to Don Vito Corleone)

By Tom Wilson and Jim Boardman

On Saturday a senior Liverpool official made it perfectly clear that there was absolutely nothing to read from the fact that Reds boss Rafa Benítez was yet to meet new chairman Martin Broughton. He claimed it was all part of some plot to paint a false picture of disharmony at Anfield. He got on great with Rafa and Rafa was happy.

...

And that, Martin Broughton, is where you come in. You need to get to the bottom of this mess and you need to get to the bottom of it fast.

It’s not just your reputation that depends on it.

Thanks for that article Nan... And pls don't delete it, there has been too many of the bad taste articles like winter's being posted on here and taken/ refered to as gospel...