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[NANNY RED]

Well it's all opinions mate at the end of the day, but what surprises me a little bit is how people aren't even prepared to give the new manager a chance. We'll find out soon enough if Hodgson is the manager, and pretty soon after that we'll find out if he is up to it. Surely though in the meantime, we can at least give him our best wishes can't we?. Many people it seems to me are almost hoping he fails so that they can launch a "bring Rafa back" campaign.

Hang on a minute this has got nothing to do with Rafa and i wish people would stop throwing this up all the  time ,

I dont want Roy because I dont think he is good enough to be the manager of this club, Its not about giving him a chance or lets wait and see , I just dont think he is the right man for the job,
On the other hand if he does become our manager just because i dont think he is good enough dosnt mean i will slate him and abuse him with all the names under the sun like we have had with a previous manager , You see thats the difference with some of us who support this club, just because you dont like the manager you dont have to abuse him, Shame it wasnt like this last season for some,

And on a side note Yes i would be fuc.king made up if a certain Spanish fella came back, but who ever is our manager until that happens NO i wouldnt want them to fail

[metalhead]

Well it's all opinions mate at the end of the day, but what surprises me a little bit is how people aren't even prepared to give the new manager a chance. We'll find out soon enough if Hodgson is the manager, and pretty soon after that we'll find out if he is up to it. Surely though in the meantime, we can at least give him our best wishes can't we?. Many people it seems to me are almost hoping he fails so that they can launch a "bring Rafa back" campaign.

Hang on a minute this has got nothing to do with Rafa and i wish people would stop throwing this up all the  time ,

I dont want Roy because I dont think he is good enough to be the manager of this club, Its not about giving him a chance or lets wait and see , I just dont think he is the right man for the job,
On the other hand if he does become our manager just because i dont think he is good enough dosnt mean i will slate him and abuse him with all the names under the sun like we have had with a previous manager , You see thats the difference with some of us who support this club, just because you dont like the manager you dont have to abuse him, Shame it wasnt like this last season for some,

And on a side note Yes i would be fuc.king made up if a certain Spanish fella came back, but who ever is our manager until that happens NO i wouldnt want them to fail

Good post Nanny

[Molby's bellybutton fluff]

I didn't specifically mean YOU want him to fail, I have no idea what you want to happen. Sorry meant no offence. It's good that Bavlondon is willing to give him until Christmas I suppose, but for me any new manager deserves at least three years or so to make his mark. Like I say though, everyone is entitled to their own view, and nobody has the right to tell other people how to go about expressing it, I definately agree with you there.

I also agree that anybody who abused the previous manager was out of order. There's no need for it, particularly when if you didn't like him there were plenty of pure football things to pick him up on without having to resort to abuse. Totally unnecessary I agree.

[tubby]

I doubt he will be here that long. The owners plan to have sold the club by xmas and I doubt any new owner would want him top of their list for someone in charge.

Anyway I don't support any individual. I support the club and that's the way it always have been.

[Molby's bellybutton fluff]

I hope you are wrong mate. The last thing we want to turn into is one of those clubs who sack their managers every five minutes. Every manager should be given the absolute maximum chance to succeed, and only when he has categorically proven the task is beyond him should you move him on. That's what happened with Benitez and Houllier, and that's what should happen with the new manager, whoever he is.

[tubby]

That last point is debatable and to be honest it's been done to death over here so im not going to get into it again..... another night though.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Well it's all opinions mate at the end of the day, but what surprises me a little bit is how people aren't even prepared to give the new manager a chance. We'll find out soon enough if Hodgson is the manager, and pretty soon after that we'll find out if he is up to it. Surely though in the meantime, we can at least give him our best wishes can't we?. Many people it seems to me are almost hoping he fails so that they can launch a "bring Rafa back" campaign.

On the question of Torres and Gerrard leaving, I think there is every chance they will. To be honest though, I think a much more significant factor in their decision than the identity of any new manager would be the fact that we finished 7th last season and out of the Champions League spots. They are probably looking at a 24 game season in the Europa League and thinking they don'r really fancy it too much, and in many respects who can blame them. hat's not the fault of any new manager, he's not responsible for what went on previously surely?

What I find most bemusing in your post is your ability to totally ignore the fact this manager is the choice of our beloved owners ,I mean surely its not being churlish  to expect Liverpool fans to react in a similar vein as when they  tried to install Klinsman in a series of clandestine talks .... or am I being ridiculous in expecting the same form of fan backlash when our very standing in the world game is threatened in such a manner 

[Molby's bellybutton fluff]

Well I'm not sure I know of any football clubs who let the fans choose the new manager mate. It's not a bad shout I suppose, we could have kind of a referendum. The problem would be that the fans would vote for a Mourinho, or a Hiddink, or even a Benitez and of course the issue is availability. Now I know the counter argument to the last one was that we already had him, but two trophies in six seasons, one title challenge and fourth to seventh is hardly a glittering record. My feeling is that while many fans obviously would like to have kept Benitez, many wouldn't as well. What would happen if Benitez was voted out in this referendum, would those that fully believed in him accept it?

No, I think it's high time people got their heads around the fact that we are about to get a new manager. None of us know for sure either who it is, or how well he will do. We have a rich tradition of supporting our managers just about come what may (the fact that some still support Benitez despite our calamitous efforts last season proves that) and my hope is that whoever is the new manager will be given a fair crack of the whip. Fair isn't slagging him off before he's even had a go.

[Scottbot]

Thequestion is - how long until we see the Woy out brigade a

I think we've seen that brigade voice their contempt even before the bloke has signed.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say those people will still support him even if they don't rate him - I'm also going to be confident in sayin IMO the first people who want the new manager out will be the same people who were calling for the previous manager to go

We'll see, do you think Hodgeson will be allowed six years?

Lucky if he gets 6 weeks on here.

So people where allowed to criticise the Rafa, but dont critise Roy the Fulham manager, in case he ever becomes the Liverpool manager?

Lynds I don't particularly want Hodgson in the hot seat myself (although i don't think he'll do a bad job tbh) but what I can see (read) is a lot of fans, many of whom (yourself included) who were VERY patient and supportive when Rafa was in charge, right till the end, and even more so now. But it seems that should Hodgson get the nod (and the press seem to think it's nailed on), he will not get anywhere near the patience or support dished out so freely to Rafa by many despite his obvious mistakes. It seems very imbalanced to me. In NORMAL circumstances at a normal club of our stature, based on football reasons alone, Rafa deserved to go. It's as simple as that to me. But because he's a stubborn little bugger (and I love him for it) who would have remained a thorn in the owners side had he stayed it has massively influenced the way he is regarded (seems to be nearing martyr-like status) and it renders Hodgson (or whoever's) job nigh on impossible should he be offered the position. The guy doesn't stand much of a chance if he's given the job does he? Already ridiculed as 'Woy' by the majority, and yet this could be the very man managing our great club in a couple of weeks time.

It seems to be regarded as indisputable (by some) that Rafa would do a better job than Hodsgon (given the same personnel) next season and I don't necessarily buy that.

Take away the ownership situation for one minute, and by that I mean the fact we're all scared it's so much easier for them to sell our best players now Rafa is gone. Take that away for one moment, and I know that's difficult, but purely from a football perspective, I think we're better off with another manager. And if Hodgson comes in and he can keep Torres (and fingers crossed Stevie although I think we'll lose him) and spend a decent chunk of monies generated then I'd be very surprised if he doesn't better our last season tally by some margin.

I think the thing that most fans are MOST scared of right now is losing Torres and losing Gerrard. We're scared because if we lose them we are on a downward spiral to nowhere, I know that's how I feel, i'm petrified Fernando will be sold. We want a big name manager to come in because if he does, the chances of them staying seems far higher because a big name may (and should) demand they stay if he comes in. And I think THAT, more than Hodgson's managerial record, is why so many are ridiculing the prospect of him becoming our manager.

[Scottbot]

With respect to Hodsgen. He isn't the calibre of manager this club deserves. But we are skint and are not exactly expecting a title challange next season so we have to aim lower in the managment dept now too. I just pray that this is a temporary thing until the club is sold then we can get a real manager in, not one who plays ugly football and has won all.

Mate, Hodgson's teams do not play ugly football. I know it sounds like i'm beating his drum here but I don't know where this misconception comes from? Is it because he has successfully parked the bus at Anfield the past two years? That's what smaller teams do in the Premiership away at the big 4. It's the only way to do it. Hodsgon sides (if i'm any judge) play decent football, they get it down and play it. We haven't exactly played the beautiful game the past ten years under Houliier and Rafa have we? At times it's been scintillating, when our pressing game was working and we moved the ball quickly it was very impressive but on the whole, we've played pragmatic football under Rafa. It's been functional for much of the time, much like Chelsea the past 5 years.

[LFC2007]

Unfortunalty Zara Amanda stavely was on BBC radio 4 yesterday and said that any interest from the middle east into premier league clubs has all but died a death they are no longer interested and thats a big blow for us considering she worked with the Abu Dhabi group and barclays 

LFC 2007 where does it say Roys back in SA and why did he come back to the UK for 24 hours? thats if he did like?

It was in the Guardian yesterday...incidentally (and not that you were saying this), but I was only commenting on the report, not making a claim (doing a lakes) about Roy's whereabouts.

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Liverpool set to announce Roy Hodgson as manager

Liverpool expect to finalise the appointment of Roy Hodgson as the club's new manager following his return from South Africa today. The Fulham manager, who has been commenting at the World Cup for the BBC, has been the frontrunner for the Liverpool job since Rafael Benítez left Anfield this month and could be confirmed as the Spaniard's successor within days.

Liverpool have considered several candidates for the position, including the former Real Madrid and Villarreal coach Manuel Pellegrini, but Kenny Dalglish, the club legend asked to conduct the managerial search alongside the managing director, Christian Purslow, is not in the running.

Anfield officials are confident of securing a deal with Hodgson now that he has returned from South Africa and with his prospects of being offered the chance to succeed Fabio Capello as England manager diminished by the national team's World Cup victory over Slovenia.

It is understood the make-up of Hodgson's backroom staff is one of the issues to be resolved prior to his appointment, with the 62-year-old keen to bring the Fulham assistant manager, Mike Kelly, with him to Merseyside.

While Liverpool await the arrival of their next manager, Yossi Benayoun is close to leaving Anfield for Chelsea after the two clubs agreed a £5m fee for the Israel international.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal....manager

[JC_81]

Pretty much in agreement with you Scott.

I'm not excited by Hodgson's appointment as I think he has less chance of convincing the big names to stay as say a Hiddink or someone like that would.  But let's face it, what top manager in their right mind would want to come to us at this point with these t1ts in charge?  They'll look at what happened to Benitez and say thanks but no thanks.

But Hodgson as a manager won't disgrace himself.  His teams don't play bad football, I seem to remember Fulham playing very open stuff at home and even at Blackburn they played open football with two out and out wingers and two strikers.  Before things fell apart there he had a really good season with them.  He's experienced and his time abroad was very successful, especially with Malmo and Switzerland.

We can't get hung up on keeping hold of our players.  The owners, or rather the administrators (which is essentially what Purslow and Broughton are) will look at finances first and football second, and if the right offers come in players will be sold.  If Gerrard goes there is no way Torres will stay.  Keeping Gerrard is the key to keeping Torres I reckon.  But fu.ck it, if they want to go they'll go, I'm sick of worrying about it so I'm just accepting it might happen.  The club is bigger than any player and we'll just have to rebuild and come again when the ownership issue is resolved. 

We won't have financial backing and we might lose some important players, so essentially we need a manager in that might allow us to punch above our weight for a season or two while the club gets sorted from the top down.  Hodgson is a reasonable candidate to achieve that, so he'll get my full backing if appointed.

[Scottbot]

But Hodgson as a manager won't disgrace himself. 

If Gerrard goes there is no way Torres will stay.  Keeping Gerrard is the key to keeping Torres I reckon. 

I think that is especially true mate, I can handle (or atleast I wouldn't begrudge him) Gerrard going, he's done his time and no matter what he does from here on in, we've had his best years, much like we did Owen but there's no doubt that Torres will look elsewhere if he loses his best mate on a football pitch. The mutual respect (and as...s kissing!) between those two is unreal and if one goes the other will follow. That's why it's all the more important for both players to continue as far as possible in this World Cup. I'm desperate for England to make it as far as the semi-final (don't think they will) because our Captain won't have the time to think club football over the summer.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Well I'm not sure I know of any football clubs who let the fans choose the new manager mate. It's not a bad shout I suppose, we could have kind of a referendum. The problem would be that the fans would vote for a Mourinho, or a Hiddink, or even a Benitez and of course the issue is availability. Now I know the counter argument to the last one was that we already had him, but two trophies in six seasons, one title challenge and fourth to seventh is hardly a glittering record. My feeling is that while many fans obviously would like to have kept Benitez, many wouldn't as well. What would happen if Benitez was voted out in this referendum, would those that fully believed in him accept it?

No, I think it's high time people got their heads around the fact that we are about to get a new manager. None of us know for sure either who it is, or how well he will do. We have a rich tradition of supporting our managers just about come what may (the fact that some still support Benitez despite our calamitous efforts last season proves that) and my hope is that whoever is the new manager will be given a fair crack of the whip. Fair isn't slagging him off before he's even had a go.

Nobody mentioned Benitez mate  and  I think my original question was how the fans reacted ( you yourself included )when they realised the owners had different agendas as  in regards to who the manager of Liverpool football Club  should be ....... ie the Klinsman fiasco and the amateurish way they went about it .....  and I am also fully aware that no club lets the fans decide who should govern their team ,but I am also sure  that you are indeed painfully aware that no club has the same level of deceit and delights in such covert actions as the two tw@ts that currently preside over us ...
So speaking on a personal level I will reiterate my earlier question "how did you feel when the whole Klinsman debacle came to light and what was your reaction " was your response one of anger... or was it one of complacency because if its the latter then with all due respect I am already embarking on an exercise in futility

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Some commonsensical posts from Scottbot, John Craig and Mr Molby's fluffy bellybutton.

It's refreshing to see.