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[tubby]

Glad you asked that Igor im rubbish with betting odds too although I know 2/1 is good right?

[Igor Zidane]

Glad you asked that Igor im rubbish with betting odds too although I know 2/1 is good right?

I don't no bav , is it as good as 1/2 though 

[dawson99]

ew prices that have come up since:

Masher to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 6/4
No 1/2

Torres to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 4/6
No 11/10

Gerrard to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 8/11
No evens


Masher wanted to go before all this anyways, but money does normally talk

Daws can you explain those prices for those of us who are not ODDS savvy mate . I 'm a biff i know , what bit say's they are more likely to stay or go . Laymans terms please daws and go slowly mate . Cheers 

lol sorry

a 6/4 shot means for £4 pounds, you'd get £6 back.


The 1/2 means for £2 you would only get £1 profit

Basically what the prices indicate are that Masher will be gnoe, Torres will stay, and Gerrard is more likely to stay.

for a £1 stake here are the returns:

Masher to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 6/4 - £2.50
No 1/2 - £1.50

Torres to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 4/6 - £1.66
No 11/10 - £2.10

Gerrard to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 8/11 - £1.73
No evens - £2.00

the prices are not that different, but you can tell that where you would make less money, that is what is favourite to happen. I'll keep an eye see if the prices change, as this is the ebst way to see iof something will happen, as people in the know always lay the cash.

Hope that explains!!!

[tubby]

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[lakes10]

more links to Kevin being our manager today, Talksht stated he has said " i would love it just love it if i was the manager at Liverpool"

ok poor joke, but they have once again linked him to the job........he bloody better not get it.

kevin?

Kevin keegan

[Sir Roger]

Can't get over the absolute assumption by so many posters in here that if Rafa had stayed on that:

A/ all our top players would have stayed. Apparently it was a given they would have?

B/ He was gonna turn around a seemingly baffled dressing room that had lost all confidence in his and their own ability to perform at the highest level?

please stop posting as if these were facts.

Bottom line for me: If we had a normal ownership scenario (ie. not complete c....u....n...t...s) and it was purely down to footballing/transfer reasons. Rafa deserved to go. Simple as.

I'm nervous as fook he's gone because I don't trust the owners and the fire sale they may be planning but speaking PURELY from a football perspective. We needed a new manager.

Sums up my thoughts too mate.

Agree with what Scott says and more that he doesn't, like how Rafa has no money yet spends near £40m a season or more on players, how "net spend" gets dragged into debates even when money isn't mentioned when it is about football and what players we have to use, not whether the club is making a profit or loss, and various other arguments that have little foundation but are standardly offered as arguments without the "proof" as it were or "backing evidence" itself having any "backing evidence" like the use of the word "fact" without any to justify its use.

Another is that an incoming manager couldn't possibly do better with the same resources. Look at this XI and tell me that with the sale of players not listed that the club couldn't compete at the same level it has in the past

GK Reina
RB Johnson
LB Insua
CB Carragher
CB Agger
RM Rodriguez
LM Benayoun
CM Lucas
CM Aquilani
CF Kuyt
CF Torres

With the sales of players not included, players like Gerrard, Babel, Mascherano, Riera and Skrtel, sold so that a substantial transfer fund could improve that XI (and the squad) to a competitive level. That is with a manager who doesn't waste money and with some tactical ability that could get the best out of what is already a decent enough XI. Sure you'd want to sign a LB, CM and CF but with the sales money you could well buy more than just that. I sometimes wonder if our scouting network exists, or if Rafa doesn't ignore them.


Rafa is excused way too much on these boards, it was a poor display and the squad we have should have done a lot better. Only SEVEN points off finishing fourth, yet dropping points at home to villa, Fulham, brum and citeh, away to Wolves, relegated pompey and Hull, Stoke, Sunderland (the beachball scored, we didn't in 85+ minutes thereafter), Wigan and Blackburn. Surely our squad/team is better than those kind of results would suggest? We missed Torres fair enough, but Rafa should have spent some or most of his £37.5m he spent on Johnson and Aquailani on replacing Keane.


Rafa had way too many weaknesses to be excused blame which is passed over to everyone's hate - the owners. Is it their fault Rafa plays zonal marking, two DMs, is negative in mindset, didn't spend wisely what money he had, makes substitutions after the 66th minute and generally either ineffective or inexplicable etc? I'm sure we could all write a dissertation on Rafa's flaws, even in the season we finished second or when we won the Champions League - don't forget that was thanks to a disputed goal, three goals in a short spell having been 0-3 down and of course to the lottery that is penalties. Did Rafa mastermind the whole thing or did he rely on player inspiration from the likes of Gerrard when the chips were down? As indeed he did in the FA Cup final.

Only ONCE in six seasons did we win more than five league games in a row, you'll never win a league title that way. My hope for the new manager is man marking, 4-4-2 or at least not two DMs, sensible selection when choosing who to stay and who to go and most importantly a more attacking approach looking to win games and not to avoid losing them. I don't even believe we need wholesale changes, I think an improvement in managerial approach will make up some ground and a handful of changes could do the rest.

Rafa came in and saw Owen depart, don't believe that the same mightn't happen again with a big name player. We survived and didn't even make a big profit out of that sale. Personally I think Rafa should have kept Owen, maybe the CL win and a better league position thanks to his retention would have persuaded him to sign a new contract. One more season out of our top scorer and key striker, or £8m - no contest in my book. His contract should never have been allowed to run that short, then again Houllier was retained one season too long.

Spot on
That XI you listed are good enough (if managed properly and play as a team) to compete in the top four easily.
One day, when the dust has settled, we will talk like adults about Rafa and be able to discuss his strengths and weaknesses openly and honestly

[dawson99]

more links to Kevin being our manager today, Talksht stated he has said " i would love it just love it if i was the manager at Liverpool"

ok poor joke, but they have once again linked him to the job........he bloody better not get it.

kevin?

Kevin keegan

I know I'm an idiot but I'd like KK, he is passionate and plays exciting football, of course he's an absolute fruitloop, but I think he's a Liverpool Legend that Newcastle took as there own, and hed make things interesting.. we'd definately play more exciting football

[SeaofRed]

I wonder if Mike Bassett will apply for the position of Liverpool manager?

[shabelle50]

Hodgson is a stable character but he wouldn't deliver the title and he's not of the calibre required would United or Chelski appoint Hodgson?

My point is untill we get new owners we arent going to win the title, we need stability untill then.

I don't disagree with that all I'm saying is he wouldn't be a long term appointment his age doesn't help. Then again that would also go against Redknapp but I rather feel that Redknapp would be better at being given £20 million to spend on one player who could make the difference in the next 2/3 years than Roy Hodgson would.

Can't see it being O'Neill didn't he replace Dalglish at Celtic in 2000. I just can't see Kenny letting him loose on Anfield.

[Sir Roger]

more links to Kevin being our manager today, Talksht stated he has said " i would love it just love it if i was the manager at Liverpool"

ok poor joke, but they have once again linked him to the job........he bloody better not get it.

kevin?

Kevin keegan

I know I'm an idiot but I'd like KK, he is passionate and plays exciting football, of course he's an absolute fruitloop, but I think he's a Liverpool Legend that Newcastle took as there own, and hed make things interesting.. we'd definately play more exciting football

I stopped reading after your first five words
I admire your honesty...

[lakes10]

I know I'm an idiot[/quote]
well we are still working that one out 

no but you are right, he would love the job and would give it his all, but not sure his all would cut it here, for a start Kenny would be his boss sort of, dont know how he would feel about that.

this might sound mad but someone i would love to be at our club is Ian Holloway pmsl

ok its sort of a joke but would love to see him do very well at any club, meet him a few years ago and he is such a gret guy, but i think this job would be a bit much for him, think he mightr blow his top too much, we need a manager that dont get sent off all the time lol

[Sir Roger]

I know I'm an idiot

well we are still working that one out 

no but you are right, he would love the job and would give it his all, but not sure his all would cut it here, for a start Kenny would be his boss sort of, dont know how he would feel about that.

this might sound mad but someone i would love to be at our club is Ian Holloway pmsl

ok its sort of a joke but would love to see him do very well at any club, meet him a few years ago and he is such a gret guy, but i think this job would be a bit much for him, think he mightr blow his top too much, we need a manager that dont get sent off all the time lol[/quote]
Translation:
"I know I'm an idiot"

[dawson99]

King Kev and King Kenny = awesomeness


Holloway? And I call myself an idiot LOL (although it would kinda rock)

[Sir Roger]

King Kev and King Kenny = awesomeness


Holloway? And I call myself an idiot LOL (although it would kinda rock)

Keegan!
Holloway!
Nurse!!!

[dawson99]

King Kev and King Kenny = awesomeness


Holloway? And I call myself an idiot LOL (although it would kinda rock)

Keegan!
Holloway!
Nurse!!!

Come on then, who do you want?

I'm saying KK, I want attacking football lol

you?