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[JC_81]

Can't get over the absolute assumption by so many posters in here that if Rafa had stayed on that:

A/ all our top players would have stayed. Apparently it was a given they would have?

B/ He was gonna turn around a seemingly baffled dressing room that had lost all confidence in his and their own ability to perform at the highest level?

please stop posting as if these were facts.

Bottom line for me: If we had a normal ownership scenario (ie. not complete c....u....n...t...s) and it was purely down to footballing/transfer reasons. Rafa deserved to go. Simple as.

I'm nervous as fook he's gone because I don't trust the owners and the fire sale they may be planning but speaking PURELY from a football perspective. We needed a new manager.

Sums up my thoughts too mate.

[Effes]

Lets be real fellas, more than likely we won't be getting a top drawer manager so with that already practically a given.. What managers do you feel would be a good fit?

I tipped Hodgson at the start of the season

There's your other example you were looking for.

I couldn't be arsd looking through your old posts; but it is a trait of yours.

Your name should be Harry Hindsight.

[Waldo]

Having taken a few days to take this all I have come to the following conclusion - a lot of which ae based on hopes and prayers...

My hope is that the Rafa situation has been forced by potential new buyers who are aware that the likes of Gerrard, Torres and Co have grown frustrated by Rafa and would leave if he was to remain in place when the sale of the club goes through. In sacking Rafa they have bought themselves some time to secure a top manager who would step in when the ownership of the club changes hands.

My fear is that the removal of Rafa is a plan by the current board/owners to clear the way for the exit of Gerrard, Torres and Co and that, in getting rid of him, it will be easier to cash in on our prized assets.

In terms of the potential new managers then it is all up in the air but I believe that even in the mess we are in we will be looking to appoint/able to attract a top top manager. I am delighted that Kenny has been given the role to assist with the recruitment of a new manager. I do not see Kenny taking the role permanently but instead may babysit the club until such time as a new man is found. I think Kenny will play a key part in keeping Gerrard and Torres at the club and may well play the emotional line with these guys and invite them into his "gang that will see the club clean up it's act and revitalise Anfield once more" - that is my hope anyway!! Kenny's role as ambasssdor cannot be underestimated and he will play a key role in attracting a new permanent manager.

Guus Hiddink would get my vote. I think he is ideal for the situation we are in and would manage to keep the top stars.

MON is a massive NO NO for me. As has already been pointed out he won the league in Scotland but has done feck all apart from that. Crucial for me is that Gerrard and Co would bolt if MON was brought in I reckon

[Sir Roger]

Svenis Penis!!!!

Get to absolute fu'ck!
Yes-yes:
Huddink
Van gaal
Hodgson
In that order

No-no:
Hughes
O'neill
Klinsman
Dowie

[Waldo]

Svenis Penis!!!!

Get to absolute fu'ck!
Yes-yes:
Huddink
Van gaal
Hodgson
In that order

No-no:
Hughes
O'neill
Klinsman
Dowie

DOWIE 

LOL

[Waldo]

Sounds like Kenny is to consult Gerrard, Torres, Carra and Pepe on what is happening and will personally update them as things progress.

That gives me some warmth/comfort

[SeaofRed]

I don't know what to make of Sven declaring his interest in the club? I feel he is a good manager, but I don't think he is the calibre we need and is appointing a manager on a long term contract the right thing to do considering Hicks and Gillett are selling the club? The last thing we need is an appointed manager being sacked after six or twelve months when the new owners come in.

[lakes10]

more links to Kevin being our manager today, Talksht stated he has said " i would love it just love it if i was the manager at Liverpool"

ok poor joke, but they have once again linked him to the job........he bloody better not get it.

[dawson99]

more links to Kevin being our manager today, Talksht stated he has said " i would love it just love it if i was the manager at Liverpool"

ok poor joke, but they have once again linked him to the job........he bloody better not get it.

kevin?

[Sir Roger]

I don't know what to make of Sven declaring his interest in the club? I feel he is a good manager, but I don't think he is the calibre we need and is appointing a manager on a long term contract the right thing to do considering Hicks and Gillett are selling the club? The last thing we need is an appointed manager being sacked after six or twelve months when the new owners come in.

Sven
Fu'ckin laughing stock of football
Best getting one of the Chuckle Brothers!
"To me..."

[Owzat]

Can't get over the absolute assumption by so many posters in here that if Rafa had stayed on that:

A/ all our top players would have stayed. Apparently it was a given they would have?

B/ He was gonna turn around a seemingly baffled dressing room that had lost all confidence in his and their own ability to perform at the highest level?

please stop posting as if these were facts.

Bottom line for me: If we had a normal ownership scenario (ie. not complete c....u....n...t...s) and it was purely down to footballing/transfer reasons. Rafa deserved to go. Simple as.

I'm nervous as fook he's gone because I don't trust the owners and the fire sale they may be planning but speaking PURELY from a football perspective. We needed a new manager.

Sums up my thoughts too mate.

Agree with what Scott says and more that he doesn't, like how Rafa has no money yet spends near £40m a season or more on players, how "net spend" gets dragged into debates even when money isn't mentioned when it is about football and what players we have to use, not whether the club is making a profit or loss, and various other arguments that have little foundation but are standardly offered as arguments without the "proof" as it were or "backing evidence" itself having any "backing evidence" like the use of the word "fact" without any to justify its use.

Another is that an incoming manager couldn't possibly do better with the same resources. Look at this XI and tell me that with the sale of players not listed that the club couldn't compete at the same level it has in the past

GK Reina
RB Johnson
LB Insua
CB Carragher
CB Agger
RM Rodriguez
LM Benayoun
CM Lucas
CM Aquilani
CF Kuyt
CF Torres

With the sales of players not included, players like Gerrard, Babel, Mascherano, Riera and Skrtel, sold so that a substantial transfer fund could improve that XI (and the squad) to a competitive level. That is with a manager who doesn't waste money and with some tactical ability that could get the best out of what is already a decent enough XI. Sure you'd want to sign a LB, CM and CF but with the sales money you could well buy more than just that. I sometimes wonder if our scouting network exists, or if Rafa doesn't ignore them.


Rafa is excused way too much on these boards, it was a poor display and the squad we have should have done a lot better. Only SEVEN points off finishing fourth, yet dropping points at home to villa, Fulham, brum and citeh, away to Wolves, relegated pompey and Hull, Stoke, Sunderland (the beachball scored, we didn't in 85+ minutes thereafter), Wigan and Blackburn. Surely our squad/team is better than those kind of results would suggest? We missed Torres fair enough, but Rafa should have spent some or most of his £37.5m he spent on Johnson and Aquailani on replacing Keane.


Rafa had way too many weaknesses to be excused blame which is passed over to everyone's hate - the owners. Is it their fault Rafa plays zonal marking, two DMs, is negative in mindset, didn't spend wisely what money he had, makes substitutions after the 66th minute and generally either ineffective or inexplicable etc? I'm sure we could all write a dissertation on Rafa's flaws, even in the season we finished second or when we won the Champions League - don't forget that was thanks to a disputed goal, three goals in a short spell having been 0-3 down and of course to the lottery that is penalties. Did Rafa mastermind the whole thing or did he rely on player inspiration from the likes of Gerrard when the chips were down? As indeed he did in the FA Cup final.

Only ONCE in six seasons did we win more than five league games in a row, you'll never win a league title that way. My hope for the new manager is man marking, 4-4-2 or at least not two DMs, sensible selection when choosing who to stay and who to go and most importantly a more attacking approach looking to win games and not to avoid losing them. I don't even believe we need wholesale changes, I think an improvement in managerial approach will make up some ground and a handful of changes could do the rest.

Rafa came in and saw Owen depart, don't believe that the same mightn't happen again with a big name player. We survived and didn't even make a big profit out of that sale. Personally I think Rafa should have kept Owen, maybe the CL win and a better league position thanks to his retention would have persuaded him to sign a new contract. One more season out of our top scorer and key striker, or £8m - no contest in my book. His contract should never have been allowed to run that short, then again Houllier was retained one season too long.

[SeaofRed]

If you think that our next manager will see half of the money he raises in player sales then you are delusional.

[tubby]

Especailly if either Torres or Gerrard go there isn't really any point in putting much towards a kitty as it won't be enough anyway so I would imagine 70% of it would go to pay off the debt.

[dawson99]

ew prices that have come up since:

Masher to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 6/4
No 1/2

Torres to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 4/6
No 11/10

Gerrard to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 8/11
No evens


Masher wanted to go before all this anyways, but money does normally talk

[Igor Zidane]

ew prices that have come up since:

Masher to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 6/4
No 1/2

Torres to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 4/6
No 11/10

Gerrard to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 8/11
No evens


Masher wanted to go before all this anyways, but money does normally talk

Daws can you explain those prices for those of us who are not ODDS savvy mate . I 'm a biff i know , what bit say's they are more likely to stay or go . Laymans terms please daws and go slowly mate . Cheers