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by **red_guy** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:21 pm

He should play as a striker with aqua or pacheco behind him. Using him as 2nd striker/RW behind Ngog won't do us any good...(during Torres absence of course..)

by **Owzat** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:41 am

That bloody Kuyt, he's cost us fourth place with that ONE pass last night. Terminate his contract, better still put out a contract on his life. Worst player ever to wear the red shirt from Holland to be playing last night :angry:

If it hadn't been for the phenomenal performances of Torres, Gerrard, Mascherano, Reina, Carra and every other player we would have lost 0-20, as it was that result was in spite of Kuyt and not because of him.

:blues:

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:57 am

red_guy wrote:He should play as a striker with aqua or pacheco behind him. Using him as 2nd striker/RW behind Ngog won't do us any good...(during Torres absence of course..)

Drop him altogether in favour of Pacheco. Kuyt can't pass a bleedin' ball to his own teammate. Let him sit and watch while Pacheco does his stuff, the right way.
I've seen enuff muck from Kuyt this season....

by **Penguins** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:25 pm

Finally more and more see the light even if you still defend him Ozwat...

In your world a player is ok if they score once every 4th/5th game and do jack **** the rest of the game and during all the other games. Cause he did poke in a goal in the 6 yard box in his 5th game which erases his total uselessness the rest of the time he is on the field :no

by **Sir Roger** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:25 pm

Kuyts performance last night must rank as one of his worst ever in a red shirt
Sh'ite from first minute til the last
Most games he can get away with it because others can cover. Because they were all woeful last night he couldnt be saved
Shame

by **stmichael** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:18 pm

If there is one thing i'll never understand, it's why any manager, let alone Rafa, would ever think that it's a good idea to play Kuyt in "the hole". If there's ever one position that you can't play if you have no technical ability whatsoever, it's there.

by **Owzat** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:19 pm

Penguins wrote:Finally more and more see the light even if you still defend him Ozwat...

In your world a player is ok if they score once every 4th/5th game and do jack **** the rest of the game and during all the other games. Cause he did poke in a goal in the 6 yard box in his 5th game which erases his total uselessness the rest of the time he is on the field

But he doesn't do jack **** the rest of the game, that's merely comments taylored to support your stance.

And knocking a goal in might not be the be all and end all, but it's a lot more constructive than what the other supposedly superior players do, except you try to dress it up as if everything is his fault

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't

by **Owzat** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:25 pm

Sir Roger wrote:Kuyts performance last night must rank as one of his worst ever in a red shirt
Sh'ite from first minute til the last
Most games he can get away with it because others can cover. Because they were all woeful last night he couldnt be saved
Shame

Bit harsh, he's not nearly as bad as march of the penguins and his gang of merry chocolate biscuits like to 'think'. He is only one player among NINE outfield players, yet when they give the ball away or make a mistake, commit a needless foul, blast over or get caught in possession it isn't highlighted by members on here all the time - even when it isn't true of Kuyt.

I find so much irony in the last line

by **Owzat** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:30 pm

stmichael wrote:If there is one thing i'll never understand, it's why any manager, let alone Rafa, would ever think that it's a good idea to play Kuyt in "the hole". If there's ever one position that you can't play if you have no technical ability whatsoever, it's there.

He's actually done quite well in that role before, but he's found a role on the right and Rafa shuffles. Then again plenty on here wanted Gerrard dropped into DM, admittedly most to get rid of Lucas, but can you demand a move and complain about the consequences? (Mascherano to RB, Kuyt in the hole etc) Benayoun would be the best replacement for Gerrard in the hole, but with Torres back surely the best person to fill the hole is Gerrard??!

It reeks even more of Rafa overcomplicating a simple exercise, is it any wonder players struggled to be a cohesive unit when Torres and Gerrard come back and then to compensate a near full-strength line-up Rafa plays several players out of the positions they have grown into!?!?!? We should have put out our best XI in their best positions, Johnson was either fit or not so should have started at RB or not been in the squad, and if our best XI in their best positions can't beat Wigan then there's something seriously wrong. Yes Kuyt had a stinker, yes it isn't his best position, but that was down to Rafa overcomplicating things because he thinks he is a tactical genius when in fact the side often wins in spite of his formation and tactics not because of them

by **Sir Roger** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:35 am

Owzat wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:Kuyts performance last night must rank as one of his worst ever in a red shirt
Sh'ite from first minute til the last
Most games he can get away with it because others can cover. Because they were all woeful last night he couldnt be saved
Shame

Bit harsh, he's not nearly as bad as march of the penguins and his gang of merry chocolate biscuits like to 'think'. He is only one player among NINE outfield players, yet when they give the ball away or make a mistake, commit a needless foul, blast over or get caught in possession it isn't highlighted by members on here all the time - even when it isn't true of Kuyt.

I find so much irony in the last line

Yes it was harsh
But true
Kuyt annoys me constantly with his lack of technical ability and penchant for giving the ball away. But I tolerate it (just) because he sometimes scores goals. When he doesnt and fu'cks up like he did last night I am reminded why I spend most of my time watching Liverpool shaking my head with frustration and disbelief and screaming like a loon.

by **PabloAimar** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:40 pm

I'm sick of listening to Kuyt-lovers using his goal/assist stats to back him up as being valuable to the team. You could probably make a compilation of the positive things he’s done this season for YouTube – but I bet a compilation of everything negative he’s added to our play this season would be 10 times longer!

People use his goals/assist stats as justification for his place in the team – but you forget he plays practically EVERY minute of EVERY game so you would expect his stats to be much better than players not getting a regular chance in the first team (ie. Babel) – it’s the law of averages. Tell me I know nothing about football but I get a sense of expectation every time Ryan Babel gets the ball running at the opposition as opposed to a sense of panic whenever the ball is played towards Dirk Kuyt. WTF is up with that HIDEOUS first touch?! – EVERY F*CKING TIME!!!! Why does he always try that ‘scoop’ with the outside of his boot in tight situations – I’ve yet to see him complete a pass doing that. He may work hard running around like a headless chicken (ironic this was a huge criticism of Gerrard by Benitez when he first arrived) but what is the point in all this running around when he can’t actually control a football? Arda Turan recently put out another ‘come-and-get-me’ plea but he wont be signed as Benitez see’s Kuyt as invaluable.

Lucas and Insua shouldn’t be automatic starters (but time is on their side so they have hope) and Benitez’s tactics and micro-management has become predictable but that’s for another thread.

It’d be interesting to see how his goals/assists per minutes on the pitch compare to our other players during this embarrassing season….

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:26 pm

Is Kuyt just taking the p!ss ?

Liverpool's big-game Kuyt out to hammer Manchester United's Premier League title tilt EXCLUSIVE By Chris Wheeler
Last updated at 12:59 AM on 20th March 2010
Dirk Kuyt is used to a little pain. After all, he pays a big Dutchman to come over from Holland twice a year and hit him very hard with a mallet.

Kuyt flies 'Jan-Jan the hammer man' over to England to pummel his beleaguered body 'to find out which bones and joints are out of place because of all the kicks I get during the season'.

However, nothing the orthomanual therapist can inflict on him could surely be as painful as having to watch bitter rivals Manchester United win a 19th League title that will take them one ahead of Liverpool in the all-time honours list.

Liverpool have been here before. They won 4-1 at Old Trafford last season, but United still won the Barclays Premier League crown.

There is a rivalry between the two teams that is realised in the dressing room.
'It's a very big game,' he said. 'We definitely want to finish fourth and we'll be very happy to see them not win the League. They're our rivals and we don't want to see them win it.
Fighter: Kuyt in action for Liverpool
'We can do ourselves a favour in this kind of game and if we win we'll do everyone a favour. But we have to focus on our game.'

Liverpool have made steps in the right direction in games against United during Kuyt's time at Anfield: four straight defeats without a goal to their name in his first two seasons have been followed by three healthy victories.

'I couldn't have been more happy to beat them three times in a row and hopefully we can beat them again this time,' he said.

Liverpool's win at this stage a year ago was their biggest at Old Trafford since 1936.
'That was one of the best games and best results since I've been here,' said the 29-year-old. 'Unfortunately it wasn't quite good enough to win the title, but to beat them twice in the season gave us a very positive feeling.'

Playing for Feyenoord against Ajax, when the journey from Rotterdam to Amsterdam was routinely under escort by armed guards and helicopters, soon taught Kuyt how to handle a volatile fixture like this one.

He said: 'Liverpool versus United is one of the great fixtures in world football. I used to follow as many games as I could when I was younger and you could always see the intensity.

'England is a bigger country and more intense even than Holland but the atmosphere in these games has the same feeling. The supporters live for this game and everyone knows it's massive.'

Kuyt's reputation as a big-game player is well deserved.

He scored in the Champions League final defeat by AC Milan at the end of his first season at Anfield, was on target against Arsenal and Chelsea in the latter stages of the competition the following year and then snatched an extra-time winner that saw Benitez's side qualify at the expense of Standard Liege last season. Only Steven Gerrard and Ian Rush have scored more times in Europe for the club.

Then there are the four Merseyside derby goals against Everton, and the late strikes last season that helped Liverpool to challenge for the title for so long, even though more often than not he was operating wide on the right to accommodate striker Fernando Torres.

Yet Kuyt is still waiting for that elusive first goal against United.

The nearest he came was in Liverpool's 2-0 win at Anfield earlier this season when former Holland team-mate Edwin van der Sar denied him from close range.

'It was almost impossible to save it but Van der Sar made a great stop,' he said. 'I've scored against him before but he was not in a Manchester United shirt. It's a gap in my CV.'

To help his body cope with the rigours of English football, Kuyt flies over a team of alternative medical experts from his homeland. As well as the hammer man, he employs a faith healer and a haptonomy specialist, who helps with his psychological wellbeing.

'You have to be the boss over your own body,' added Kuyt, who hates missing games so much that he once made 179 consecutive appearances in Holland.

'My motto is that everybody who works on my body has to be a professional and I have to trust each one.'

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:30 pm

ha ha why pay someone im sure theres plenty of our fans who would hammer him with a mallett for nothin

by **Penguins** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:00 am

Didn't you know this is Kuyt's practice. When he is playing totally **** which happens very often he comes out with these interviews saying how great Torres is or Gerrard or how great it would be to win vs Manure or blue**** just satying all the right words licking major ***. Never cease to amaze me our "hard worker"

by **metalhead** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:10 am

I hope he doesn't play today, but I doubt it

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