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bigmick wrote:

maguskwt wrote:last season was bad business with Robbie Keane... however Riera was a good buy and if I'm not wrong was 8 millions. One of the reasons we did well was becasue Riera brought much needed balance to the team. As for Dossena he had looked promising but who would've thought he would turn out to be such a dross.

I think Riera was 8 million Magus, I was giving credit to Rafa for him being a good buy by estimating his current value at 11 million or so. He did bring balance, and despite deep reservations from people like me is a good player and a good buy.

As for Dossena, and your "who would have thought it" line, well hopefully the manager, before he shelled out 7 million quid for him is the answer. That's kind of what he gets paid for. Lets not forget either, that's seven million quid in transfer terms as well, then theres his contract, signing on fee and the rest. IMHO he is an absolutely terrible buy, truly awful and probably Rafa's worst. As a 7 million pound player, he'll be 60-70 grand a week over four years (minimum 12 million quid) plus he'll have got a big signing on fee. When you put those numbers together it's an eye watering amount of money, and when you see him play it's not cutting onions eye watering, it's enough to make you blub.

Even Degen, who I read somewhere we have left out of the 28 man Champions League squad. He'll be on 30-40 grand a week for a 3 or 4 year contract (best case scenario about 5 million quid) and he's perpetually injured, and when he's not, useless. He probably got a signing on fee as well, so in all probability we've spent/spunked 7 million quid in his direction as well. He's another that whatever the duration of his contract is, nobody will buy him and he won't leave, simply because his contract is so lucrative.   

As for Keane, well. Best I not get started there.


Whichever way you look at it, we laid out in transfer fees alone around 40 million quid, and probably committed to 15 million pounds per season in wages over four seasons (another 60 million) and out of it, got a decent left midfielder.

This is where the discrepancy is with the old "but we haven't even spent money we've brought in" comes in with this Purslow fella. His argument it seems to me is that if you give Gerrard a 20K a week rise, that's a million quid per season x 4 so you've just spent 4 million. Ditto Torres and the new goalkeeper coach (and I'm on about the vehicle to carry them all around in, not the trainer), the money has to come from somewhere.


The trick is, signing players who you can move on if it goes pearshaped or they don't get in the team. Sissoko, Morientes and players of that ilk are no problem, but the truly terrible aquisitions are the ones that kill you. The Dossena's, the Babels, the Pennants, the Deggens and the like just suck blood out of the club with little or no return. Even the Keane's  of this world could have proven very expensive, had we not found somebody willing to give us 12 million back of the 20 million we had pledged, and then a calculator which told us that 20-12 was 1, we'd have been well fecked.

fair enough that you're implying rafa is reaping the bad seeds that he sowed in babel, dossena, degen, etc. But we also agree that no manager gets it spot on. I feel that Rafa has managed to clear the mistakes that he made as quick and as much as he can. For example Keane again, even though we lost alot of money we didn't stick with him and waste the 20 millions + wages and I'm sure that with budget and squad strength permitting he would have done the same with Babel and Dossena. I'm not sure if there is anyone that is willing to take up Degen though  . Whatever the case is as a club with title ambitions the monetary support Rafa is getting from these owners is just not good enough...

bigmick wrote:Lando, when I buried the hatchet with you  a few weeks back and agreed to stop in your words "belittling you" on football threads, I meant it. I still mean it, life's too short and I'm not going to get drawn into an insult war with you, besides which I'm not sure I know how to post pictures up and stuff anyway.

If you are going to insist on making yourself look foolish though as you are here, there is really very little I can do about it. I know the mods will come along and "clean up the thread" which broadly it seems to me translates into removing your silliness AND any of my posts which you are responding to, but there must come a point surely where you think enough is enough?

Why not go at it from a football point of view. Which bit of the post don't you agree with? Is it Dossena who you think is a good player? Deggen? Keane? Don't you agree that they'll be earning the wages I've guessed at perhaps? Why not simply argue your point without having to resort to siliness?



This idea that because I don't agree with you then it naturally follows that I must be an Everton supporter is one of your weaker ones over the years. You're capable of better, and the moderators not for the first time will be doing you a favour when they delete it. You are making yourself look silly.

bigmick wrote:Ah well, I recieved the PM . Suffice to say negotiations have reached a bit of an impasse it seems .


I'll respond here Lando NOT via PM thanks. Let it go fella, let it go.

Whatever you say, big man... 

bigmick wrote:Look Lando, in response to one of the things you said in the PM, I'm going to prove you wrong. I'm going to do something for YOU here and now. I'll feck off for a wee while, certainly a few weeks but maybe a bit longer, and in the meantime you can chill out a bit.

I was planning on having a break anyway, and now's as good a time as any.

I meant what I said about moving on though, you should and lifes too short. You take it easy big fella, till next time, Mick.


NB I will still stick me team in the last man standing though, I do like that.

Don't be gone too long - sh*t like this livens the place up.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:Look Lando, in response to one of the things you said in the PM, I'm going to prove you wrong. I'm going to do something for YOU here and now. I'll feck off for a wee while, certainly a few weeks but maybe a bit longer, and in the meantime you can chill out a bit.

I was planning on having a break anyway, and now's as good a time as any.

I meant what I said about moving on though, you should and lifes too short. You take it easy big fella, till next time, Mick.


NB I will still stick me team in the last man standing though, I do like that.

Don't be gone too long - sh*t like this livens the place up.

bigmick wrote:

maguskwt wrote:last season was bad business with Robbie Keane... however Riera was a good buy and if I'm not wrong was 8 millions. One of the reasons we did well was becasue Riera brought much needed balance to the team. As for Dossena he had looked promising but who would've thought he would turn out to be such a dross.

I think Riera was 8 million Magus, I was giving credit to Rafa for him being a good buy by estimating his current value at 11 million or so. He did bring balance, and despite deep reservations from people like me is a good player and a good buy.

As for Dossena, and your "who would have thought it" line, well hopefully the manager, before he shelled out 7 million quid for him is the answer. That's kind of what he gets paid for. Lets not forget either, that's seven million quid in transfer terms as well, then theres his contract, signing on fee and the rest. IMHO he is an absolutely terrible buy, truly awful and probably Rafa's worst. As a 7 million pound player, he'll be 60-70 grand a week over four years (minimum 12 million quid) plus he'll have got a big signing on fee. When you put those numbers together it's an eye watering amount of money, and when you see him play it's not cutting onions eye watering, it's enough to make you blub.

Even Degen, who I read somewhere we have left out of the 28 man Champions League squad. He'll be on 30-40 grand a week for a 3 or 4 year contract (best case scenario about 5 million quid) and he's perpetually injured, and when he's not, useless. He probably got a signing on fee as well, so in all probability we've spent/spunked 7 million quid in his direction as well. He's another that whatever the duration of his contract is, nobody will buy him and he won't leave, simply because his contract is so lucrative.   

As for Keane, well. Best I not get started there.


Whichever way you look at it, we laid out in transfer fees alone around 40 million quid, and probably committed to 15 million pounds per season in wages over four seasons (another 60 million) and out of it, got a decent left midfielder.

This is where the discrepancy is with the old "but we haven't even spent money we've brought in" comes in with this Purslow fella. His argument it seems to me is that if you give Gerrard a 20K a week rise, that's a million quid per season x 4 so you've just spent 4 million. Ditto Torres and the new goalkeeper coach (and I'm on about the vehicle to carry them all around in, not the trainer), the money has to come from somewhere.


The trick is, signing players who you can move on if it goes pearshaped or they don't get in the team. Sissoko, Morientes and players of that ilk are no problem, but the truly terrible aquisitions are the ones that kill you. The Dossena's, the Babels, the Pennants, the Deggens and the like just suck blood out of the club with little or no return. Even the Keane's  of this world could have proven very expensive, had we not found somebody willing to give us 12 million back of the 20 million we had pledged, and then a calculator which told us that 20-12 was 1, we'd have been well fecked.

bigmick wrote:I'm going to do something for YOU here and now. I'll feck off for a wee while, certainly a few weeks but maybe a bit longer, and in the meantime you can chill out a bit.

But if we go on a winning run again and start playing well until you come back (like last year), you should do the honorable thing and fall on your sword. Think of the team.