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by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:28 pm

GYBS wrote:mick has answered it spot on . no point having pace to brun if you have no work ethic , game intelligence awarness , passion commitment . cant remember the last time babel scared a fullback .

I do was in last game he played you don't watch every game ?

by **aCe'** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:34 pm

gotta agree with legbarnes on this one.. we'r too one dimensional i mentioned this a million times... Atleast with players like Babel, Gerrard, Torres and Pennant you have people running at defenders or bursting through the middle... we just dont seem to do enough of that... Look at Manutd.. for all their sexy football and sht you always have one or two people busting a lung to get the ball from their own half to the opposition box playing as few passes as they can... player-for-player chelsea are the best side in the league by a mile, but they lack some very important factors that lead to them becoming not so strong a unit or a team.. u look at manutd and they have different options when going forward... they have people who can dribble, pass the ball, hit it from distance, run the channels..etc etc..we dont, chelsea dont !

we lack a decent, pacey winger and have done for a while now... if only for his pace and dribbling id have babel in there ahead of Kuyt for a few games to see what hes atleast capable of doing... he offers something different and while hes frustrating and a total joke of a footballer at times he'd still do a better job than Kuyt does in beating a man and putting a cross or shot in every once in a while... beats passing it back to the fullback doesnt it !

by **aCe'** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:36 pm

GYBS wrote:mick has answered it spot on . no point having pace to brun if you have no work ethic , game intelligence awarness , passion commitment . cant remember the last time babel scared a fullback .

kuyt has work ethic and passion... he cant play for sht though.. get over it ! and talking bout scaring fullbacks... Kuyt or Babel if u were a fulllback ? id rather play Kuyt every day of the week if i was one !

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:40 pm

the difference is when ronaldo gets the ball he is dangerous with it and does something with it - babel doesnt , he eithers runs up his own :censored:

and wastes it or gets tackled easily.

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:41 pm

yeah would rather play against babel as the guy is just going to give you the ball then give up .

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:43 pm

And simply put kuyt has contributed more to the team this season than babel has .

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:53 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
bigmick wrote:We've established that Babel isn't very good on the left, as we are a better team with a genuine left midfielder there. He doesn't seem to me to be much good on the right either to be perfectly honest. I think it's fairly clear he has regressed this season as a footballer.

Is there any hope for him? I think it's debateable. I suppose since his situation is looking absolutely desperate, we could possibly try playing him in the position he played in when we bought him, and the one which I imagine we bought him for. I know it's a bit out there, but we could try him as a centre forward at some point. You never know, it might just work.

That said, it probably won't and if it was me I'd listen to offers. Then after a couple of seconds consideration I'd accept one of them and sell him on.

You say all this tho mick but every start babel has ends in liverpool win he must add something to team ?

He has same goal/min ratio as gerrard this season and torres so I think you being a little harsh in your judgement.

he might looks rusty out there alot fo time but can you blame him he hardly gets alot of playing time does he ?

Your creative use of stats never fails to amuse, LB (paralleled only by your vehement rejection of stats when they counter your argument, of course

). In this case, though, you're underselling your man: he's actually started four times and we've won all four.

Of course, some might argue that we probably would have been able to see off Crewe Alexandria, Marseille, PSV Eindhoven and Newcastle without "MC Rio" (interesting choice of stage name, doncha think?

) but we'll never know.

Not surprisingly, I'm with those that either think he can't be ar.sed or that he's so sh!t scared of doing something wrong that he goes missing virtually the second he crosses the white line. In either case, as I've contended for months, he completely, utterly, absolutely and fundamentally lacks the character required to be a success at Liverpool Football Club and we would do well to flog him off this summer when we might still get some decent money for him (I'd start by seeing if the new fat cats over in blue Manchester want to take a punt).

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:56 pm

100% spot on Bob - i wasnt going to trawl through finding out which games he started but i suspected they were the weaker of the team we have played . the guy this season has done nothing to justify playing every week instead of kuyt or in fact instead of anyone - until he goes out and shoves his ability and knuckles down and tries to prove he is good enough then he will si ton his :censored:

on the bench . saying that i expect both him and yossi to start in the cup game against the BS

by **112-1077774096** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:22 pm

i suppose we can discount kuyts goal against PSV since they are one of the 'weaker' teams :laugh:

next you will be telling us babels goal against the mancs was lucky as was his goal against arsenal in the champions league.

Babel has yet to be given a fair crack of the whip and i think anyone who questions his commitment and desire should look at his reaction to scoring at newcastle.

lets just take the comparisons between kuyt and babel out of the equation because the only comparison I can see is they were both forwards moved to wide positions, lets just take kuyt and your opinions on him, to be honest your continued ignorance of his sh1teness just makes you look silly. you have a habit of just agreeing with certain posters as can be seen by your quoting of them and the first few words of your post, i am sure if one of those posters changed tack and admitted kuyt is :censored:

you would be so confused

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:28 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
bigmick wrote:We've established that Babel isn't very good on the left, as we are a better team with a genuine left midfielder there. He doesn't seem to me to be much good on the right either to be perfectly honest. I think it's fairly clear he has regressed this season as a footballer.

Is there any hope for him? I think it's debateable. I suppose since his situation is looking absolutely desperate, we could possibly try playing him in the position he played in when we bought him, and the one which I imagine we bought him for. I know it's a bit out there, but we could try him as a centre forward at some point. You never know, it might just work.

That said, it probably won't and if it was me I'd listen to offers. Then after a couple of seconds consideration I'd accept one of them and sell him on.

You say all this tho mick but every start babel has ends in liverpool win he must add something to team ?

He has same goal/min ratio as gerrard this season and torres so I think you being a little harsh in your judgement.

he might looks rusty out there alot fo time but can you blame him he hardly gets alot of playing time does he ?

Your creative use of stats never fails to amuse, LB (paralleled only by your vehement rejection of stats when they counter your argument, of course ). In this case, though, you're underselling your man: he's actually started four times and we've won all four.

Of course, some might argue that we probably would have been able to see off Crewe Alexandria, Marseille, PSV Eindhoven and Newcastle without "MC Rio" (interesting choice of stage name, doncha think? ) but we'll never know.

Not surprisingly, I'm with those that either think he can't be ar.sed or that he's so sh!t scared of doing something wrong that he goes missing virtually the second he crosses the white line. In either case, as I've contended for months, he completely, utterly, absolutely and fundamentally lacks the character required to be a success at Liverpool Football Club and we would do well to flog him off this summer when we might still get some decent money for him (I'd start by seeing if the new fat cats over in blue Manchester want to take a punt).

I was talking in the league but i did get stats little wrong.

Babel was 2 goals in league and kuyt 5 but still you can see babel goals for games played is on par if not better.

I just feel there is alot more to come from him if he is given a good run in team , for christ sakes he was hitting some form late last season and I was impressed with him yet this year rafa just has him keeping seat warm for keane.

Bob I know you got problem with me due to every post I make you pop up to blow some hot air on it , is it because like the player babel or is it just I know a little more about football. :blush:

Also last note you total mucked up ya point on ya last sentence bob you say babel is bad player yet you think we make good money out of him ?

Very stange indeed you either rate him or you don't ?

Or deep down do you know like i hope you do (which would show you having some knowlage) that players need first team practice/fitness/confidence to be effective.

I seen all sorts of players not getting runs in games looking shocking.

Torres ? missed sitter and most of game did fook all yet I don't see any one questioning his passion you would of course says its down to him needing first team games ? full 90 mins ? yes ?

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm

peewee wrote:i suppose we can discount kuyts goal against PSV since they are one of the 'weaker' teams

next you will be telling us babels goal against the mancs was lucky as was his goal against arsenal in the champions league.

Babel has yet to be given a fair crack of the whip and i think anyone who questions his commitment and desire should look at his reaction to scoring at newcastle.

lets just take the comparisons between kuyt and babel out of the equation because the only comparison I can see is they were both forwards moved to wide positions, lets just take kuyt and your opinions on him, to be honest your continued ignorance of his sh1teness just makes you look silly. you have a habit of just agreeing with certain posters as can be seen by your quoting of them and the first few words of your post, i am sure if one of those posters changed tack and admitted kuyt is you would be so confused

i would rather stick to my own opinions thanks and not be a sheep and follow the crowd . and you can carry on your continued ignorance of his importance to the team . away you go enjoy yourself - so good to have you back here . :sleep

Babel has done nothing to suggest or even justify being given a fair crack at the whip - kuyt was one of the main reasons we hit the top spot last year .

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:34 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
bigmick wrote:We've established that Babel isn't very good on the left, as we are a better team with a genuine left midfielder there. He doesn't seem to me to be much good on the right either to be perfectly honest. I think it's fairly clear he has regressed this season as a footballer.

Is there any hope for him? I think it's debateable. I suppose since his situation is looking absolutely desperate, we could possibly try playing him in the position he played in when we bought him, and the one which I imagine we bought him for. I know it's a bit out there, but we could try him as a centre forward at some point. You never know, it might just work.

That said, it probably won't and if it was me I'd listen to offers. Then after a couple of seconds consideration I'd accept one of them and sell him on.

You say all this tho mick but every start babel has ends in liverpool win he must add something to team ?

He has same goal/min ratio as gerrard this season and torres so I think you being a little harsh in your judgement.

he might looks rusty out there alot fo time but can you blame him he hardly gets alot of playing time does he ?

Your creative use of stats never fails to amuse, LB (paralleled only by your vehement rejection of stats when they counter your argument, of course ). In this case, though, you're underselling your man: he's actually started four times and we've won all four.

Of course, some might argue that we probably would have been able to see off Crewe Alexandria, Marseille, PSV Eindhoven and Newcastle without "MC Rio" (interesting choice of stage name, doncha think? ) but we'll never know.

Not surprisingly, I'm with those that either think he can't be ar.sed or that he's so sh!t scared of doing something wrong that he goes missing virtually the second he crosses the white line. In either case, as I've contended for months, he completely, utterly, absolutely and fundamentally lacks the character required to be a success at Liverpool Football Club and we would do well to flog him off this summer when we might still get some decent money for him (I'd start by seeing if the new fat cats over in blue Manchester want to take a punt).

I was talking in the league but i did get stats little wrong.

Babel was 2 goals in league and kuyt 5 but still you can see babel goals for games played is on par if not better.

I just feel there is alot more to come from him if he is given a good run in team , for christ sakes he was hitting some form late last season and I was impressed with him yet this year rafa just has him keeping seat warm for keane.

Bob I know you got problem with me due to every post I make you pop up to blow some hot air on it , is it because like the player babel or is it just I know a little more about football.

who cares about stats - babel has done nothing - i mean nothing to suggest he shoudl be given a run in the team - until he shows something he will continue to have splinters in his :censored:

.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:35 pm

I do not dislike our Duck but he has no competition for his place on the right due to others being in poor form when they have replaced him babel (who is not a winger anyway) and the 6 stone weakling bennynoon.

If we are taken over in the summer and Rafa is given a decent wedge its going to be interesting to see if he actually brings in a world class winger or sticks with Duck Kite.

because I cannot see him being made permenant fixture upfront either.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:36 pm

LegBarnes wrote:I know a little more about football.

In yer dreams pal.

by **GYBS** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:36 pm

Ciggy wrote:I do not dislike our Duck but he has no competition for his place on the right due to others being in poor form when they have replaced him babel (who is not a winger anyway) and the 6 stone weakling bennynoon.

If we are taken over in the summer and Rafa is given a decent wedge its going to be interesting to see if he actually brings in a world class winger or sticks with Duck Kite.

because I cannot see him being made permenant fixture upfront either.

If he is given lost of money ciggy he will bring in someone for the right - he has looked every single season but ended up with pennant. unless a decent bid comes in for kuyt he will still be part of the squad and rafa will still play but maybe not as much if we had a high quality wide player and i expect kuyt would play his heart out even if he was just a back up player .

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