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by **aCe'** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:52 pm

dawson99 wrote:I said I'd rather have him then Ronaldo yes. I prefer him as a person, and that's just as important. Ronaldo would rip the team apart.

yep..like hes doing at manutd now.. oh wait... theyr winning all there is to win.. somthing doesnt make sense here ! :Oo:

a quality player is a quality player mate, doesnt matter if hes a sccumbag in real life.. as long as he does his job better than the next guy id take him every day of the week..

lemme ask u this... if ur computer broke down all of a sudden, would u care if the guy fixing it is an arrogant twwat ? would u give it to someone ud know would do a shttier job instead ?

by **dawson99** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:59 pm

aCe' wrote:
dawson99 wrote:I said I'd rather have him then Ronaldo yes. I prefer him as a person, and that's just as important. Ronaldo would rip the team apart.

yep..like hes doing at manutd now.. oh wait... theyr winning all there is to win.. somthing doesnt make sense here !

a quality player is a quality player mate, doesnt matter if hes a sccumbag in real life.. as long as he does his job better than the next guy id take him every day of the week..

lemme ask u this... if ur computer broke down all of a sudden, would u care if the guy fixing it is an arrogant twwat ? would u give it to someone ud know would do a shttier job instead ?

Id call downstairs to the IT team, as a group of people working together is better than overpaying one person who is likely to find your bedroom and take a dump on your pillow

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:59 pm

who over the course of 12 months has shown and proven themselves to do a better job than kuyt within our sqaud playing out right ? No one .

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:01 pm

GYBS wrote:who over the course of 12 months has shown and proven themselves to do a better job than kuyt within our sqaud playing out right ? No one .

Because it's only him who plays there.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:03 pm

el zhar , yossi, babel and pennant have all played there over the course of 12 months - not one of them has scored as many or created as much as kuyt as - nor have they helped out with defensive duties or linked well with arbeloa .

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:10 pm

GYBS wrote:el zhar , yossi, babel and pennant have all played there over the course of 12 months - not one of them has scored as many or created as much as kuyt as - nor have they helped out with defensive duties or linked well with arbeloa .

10 minute Cameos here and there hardly count. You know as well as I do Kuijt has always been first choice there. Unless there was a striker shortage.

by **aCe'** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:12 pm

GYBS wrote:who over the course of 12 months has shown and proven themselves to do a better job than kuyt within our sqaud playing out right ? No one .

jeez how did u come up with that ? no one else is played there regularly so how do u expect anyone to compare ?
last player who got anywhere near a season downn the right wing was the arrogant lazy drunk pennant in 2006/2007.. he ended the season top of our assists chart with the most appearances for the club (many sub appearances though) , oh and we got to the championslueage final that year...

and again... how u can say that kuyt is doing or did a good job down the right is beyond me..

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:16 pm

People talk about the match threads being pointless, and this one is as close to pointless as you'll get as well. Some people will never see anything Kuyt does in a positive light, that is absolutely true. Equally though, some people who defend him do so in the most odd ways.

Christiano Ronaldo? We'd rahter have Kuyt in the team because the other fella is too disruptive? Don't be silly. How do people expect to be taken seriously coming out with that. The hair gelled one has missed half the season so far and is playing at around 70% of his capacity due to the fact he is likely to feck off to Madrid in the Summer, and he's still near the top of the scoring charts from right wing, he might yet get past Anelka.

Every time he gets the ball the opposition have to devise a method of being able to at least double up on him, sometimes more. They almost always have to use their left sided midfielder as a screener in front to limit his posession. He is a huge danger from corners as he's fantastic in the air. He regularly scores free-kicks from 30 yards, and if you're in front and want to kill the game you can give him the ball as he's obviously very skillful and deceptively strong. He also runs all day and does much more defending than he's ever given credit for, and has a bag of pace as well. I don't know what the "assist" stats say but he also makes a sh!tload of goals for them too.

As a bloke, I don't like him anymore than the next man but come on lets be serious.

Then you always get the "well who else would you have infront of Kuyt" question. Somebody answers it, and then you get the "well he doesn't play for us so whats the point in talking about him"

. Or we get the "we couldn't afford him anyway". This from a club which spent 40 million quid in the Summer.

Kuyt remains our best option on the right with the obvious exception of Gerrard. If however the captain was employed out there for a few games, the contrast between what Dirk offers and what a proper right sided midfielder (an admittedly absolutely World Class one) offers would be noticeable within the first five minutes of the match. When Gerrard spent all season out there, he scored 23 goals or something ridiculous, as well as making the same number. Like I say, if that ever happens again for a game or two perhaps the people who I think are a tad over zealous in their defence of Kuyt would look at it in a different light.

I've said lots of times he is Ok out right in a 4-5-1. OK but not by any means fantastic. He showed again though on Monday night that ina 4-4-2 he isn't upto it with the best will in the World (which he has). The wide midfield areas remain the spots in which our quality in comparison to the other top teams is sadly lacking. After a bright start, I'm afraid to say the left side is looking ominously like it may be going the same way as well.

by **Zidane** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:25 pm

bigmick wrote:People talk about the match threads being pointless, and this one is as close to pointless as you'll get as well. Some people will never see anything Kuyt does in a positive light, that is absolutely true. Equally though, some people who defend him do so in the most odd ways.

Then you always get the "well who else would you have infront of Kuyt" question. Somebody answers it, and then you get the "well he doesn't play for us so whats the point in talking about him" . Or we get the "we couldn't afford him anyway". This from a club which spent 40 million quid in the Summer.

I've said lots of times he is Ok out right in a 4-5-1. OK but not by any means fantastic. He showed again though on Monday night that ina 4-4-2 he isn't upto it with the best will in the World (which he has). The wide midfield areas remain the spots in which our quality in comparison to the other top teams is sadly lacking. After a bright start, I'm afraid to say the left side is looking ominously like it may be going the same way as well.

This, I've always thought of putting together a long post on this whole Kuyt debate but never had the patience. On top of that it will still keep going on anyway. Lost cause the Dirk Kuyt discussion is.

I agree about our left side too, we are looking more and more like our old selves again as the year goes by. Less width and no consistency from either of our flanks. Neither of our wide midfielders are good enough right now, Riera has slipped off into oblivion lately and needs to find his form again. Plus I think our full backs have been horrendous ever since Insua left so that doesn't help. Hopefully Arbeloa slips right in we underappreciate the lad, he's nothing special but he makes quite a difference and is missed.

Edit: Man newkit has me typing things like I'm English now, happens to everyone that is foreign I imagine.

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:47 pm

bigmick wrote:People talk about the match threads being pointless, and this one is as close to pointless as you'll get as well. Some people will never see anything Kuyt does in a positive light, that is absolutely true. Equally though, some people who defend him do so in the most odd ways.

Christiano Ronaldo? We'd rahter have Kuyt in the team because the other fella is too disruptive? Don't be silly. How do people expect to be taken seriously coming out with that. The hair gelled one has missed half the season so far and is playing at around 70% of his capacity due to the fact he is likely to feck off to Madrid in the Summer, and he's still near the top of the scoring charts from right wing, he might yet get past Anelka.

Every time he gets the ball the opposition have to devise a method of being able to at least double up on him, sometimes more. They almost always have to use their left sided midfielder as a screener in front to limit his posession. He is a huge danger from corners as he's fantastic in the air. He regularly scores free-kicks from 30 yards, and if you're in front and want to kill the game you can give him the ball as he's obviously very skillful and deceptively strong. He also runs all day and does much more defending than he's ever given credit for, and has a bag of pace as well. I don't know what the "assist" stats say but he also makes a sh!tload of goals for them too.

As a bloke, I don't like him anymore than the next man but come on lets be serious.

Then you always get the "well who else would you have infront of Kuyt" question. Somebody answers it, and then you get the "well he doesn't play for us so whats the point in talking about him" . Or we get the "we couldn't afford him anyway". This from a club which spent 40 million quid in the Summer.

Kuyt remains our best option on the right with the obvious exception of Gerrard. If however the captain was employed out there for a few games, the contrast between what Dirk offers and what a proper right sided midfielder (an admittedly absolutely World Class one) offers would be noticeable within the first five minutes of the match. When Gerrard spent all season out there, he scored 23 goals or something ridiculous, as well as making the same number. Like I say, if that ever happens again for a game or two perhaps the people who I think are a tad over zealous in their defence of Kuyt would look at it in a different light.

I've said lots of times he is Ok out right in a 4-5-1. OK but not by any means fantastic. He showed again though on Monday night that ina 4-4-2 he isn't upto it with the best will in the World (which he has). The wide midfield areas remain the spots in which our quality in comparison to the other top teams is sadly lacking. After a bright start, I'm afraid to say the left side is looking ominously like it may be going the same way as well.

This.

by **dawson99** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:34 pm

sidebar: of course Ronaldo is a better player, but I'm sticking with my Kuyt, and I see in him a player most others don;t see, which is my opinion. Until we get better Kuyt is the best of what we got

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:41 pm

dawson99 wrote:sidebar: of course Ronaldo is a better player, but I'm sticking with my Kuyt, and I see in him a player most others don;t see, which is my opinion. Until we get better Kuyt is the best of what we got

Daws your sticking up for Kuyt is fair enough mate and I wasn't meaning to have a pop. He's definately not quite as bad as many make out, and equally definately he's not as much to blame for everything as some make out either.

The other night for example I don't think he was any worse than he normally is. You could even argue (I do in fact) that had we not moved him up front we might not have conceded the free kick as he is far better defensively than Benayoun.

Moving him up front, although obviously tempting for the manager on occasions, is never a good idea IMHO.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:51 pm

ace pennant is gone , end of pennant , no more pennant at liverpool . Im sure it will sink in soon for you . If you want to support pennant then follow him to pompey . He did nothing for the club for 18 months and in those 18 months he played for us but did nothing . 07 is a long time ago . Kuyts form and play helped us get to top of the table while he was out right and hopefully once he is moved back out there he will do it again .

by **aCe'** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:39 pm

GYBS wrote:ace pennant is gone , end of pennant , no more pennant at liverpool . Im sure it will sink in soon for you . If you want to support pennant then follow him to pompey . He did nothing for the club for 18 months and in those 18 months he played for us but did nothing . 07 is a long time ago . Kuyts form and play helped us get to top of the table while he was out right and hopefully once he is moved back out there he will do it again .

yep its the kuyt era and we'r bound for glory now that hes hitting top form and he got us to the top of the table...

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:42 pm

dawson99 wrote:but I'm sticking with my Kuyt, and I see in him a player most others don;t see, which is my opinion. Until we get better Kuyt is the best of what we got

You know I was one of Dirks biggest fans, I wanted us to sign him the year before he came but that was for his goal scoring record, he was bagging 30 goals a season in Holland.

The problem I have now is Rafa's refusal to take him off when he is offering nothing what so ever, ok he runs everywhere, but I would put on the red shirt on and run everywhere for free never mind 70 grand a week.

He was bought as a striker and he cannot play upfront on his own, he is better with someone else alongside him or on the right when we play 4-5-1.

I think the fact that he is not being dropped to give someone else a go stems from him being a Rafa untouchable. No matter how poorly he plays, he is guaranteed a place in the starting line up. Since he has been with us, he has blown hot and cold. Yet he plays even if he has a knock, looks tired, or doesnt look like scoring in a million years.

I dont dislike Kuyt atall and we missed him against Preston and he has scored some vital goals this season and last, maybe he will be better when Arby comes back but if he is to play in every single game he needs to improve but hes not alone either.

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