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by **beninspain** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:56 pm

i can not believe that we played with such negative ambition against a team that was 3 rd from bottom before play.. what is going on...

by **Kojot** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:59 pm

Madmax wrote:
eonerf wrote:
slickrick wrote:take it you didn't watch the game last week, keane missed 4 sittters, benitez was right to leave him on the bench!

That's a valid point. I like Keane but last week he was abysmal and I'm losing faith in him. If he missed sitters against Preston how can you expect him to score against Stoke? We should have definitly started with Torres though.

Well if rafa didnt start with him then he knows best, his the manager... ...
But yeah i agree with for. Sometimes rafas decisions are strange.

How can you know better than Rafa? He is watching these players every day and we are top of the league,FFS. We are broke,Keane was on free actually as I can remember. Refferee wasn`t that good either. So many excuse,can you understand that it was hard to beat stoke? They parked the bus also. We created a lot of chances... And Benayoun is deffo our response to Joe Cole.

by **Madmax** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:01 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Kojot wrote:Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.

Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I know you're trying to be positive and all, but f*ck me that was some shlte you just wrote there. Carra the new Cafu.

cracking way to start a first ever post.

by **Tophatman** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:01 pm

Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.

Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I think Kojot is trying to wind us up,wheres number 9 when you need him, to give his positive slant on things and also a bit of f..k..s..t w..k etc!!

by **Kojot** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:02 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Kojot wrote:Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.

Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I know you're trying to be positive and all, but f*ck me that was some shlte you just wrote there. Carra the new Cafu.

Mate,we are top of the league. And you are saying that it was mistake to play carra on the right back. You would play Jermaine?
I hate these negative posters. we are top of the league,stoke are bottom. We will show them next season. Even if we don`t win premierleague we did enough this year. How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

by **Madmax** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:03 pm

just checked we have a 8 day gap until the next game. feck sakes

by **Kojot** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:03 pm

Tophatman wrote:Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.

Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I think Kojot is trying to wind us up,wheres number 9 when you need him, to give his positive slant on things and also a bit of f..k..s..t w..k etc!!

how can you say this?

by **Madmax** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:05 pm

Kojot wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Kojot wrote:Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.

Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I know you're trying to be positive and all, but f*ck me that was some shlte you just wrote there. Carra the new Cafu.

Mate,we are top of the league. And you are saying that it was mistake to play carra on the right back. You would play Jermaine?
I hate these negative posters. we are top of the league,stoke are bottom. We will show them next season. Even if we don`t win premierleague we did enough this year. How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

yeah we are top and we should be happy but the annoying thing is mate the points that we are dropping against the dire sides. Atleast though as you said this season we are making some sort of effort to try and win the league. But what a chance we have this season and we are making it hard for ourselves.

by **beninspain** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:09 pm

if we are going to seriously challenge the top and win this league you can not find excuses for performances like tonight.. lets face it Lucas couldnt teach school boys to play at the moment.. if your going to gve him a run out as a play maker lets get benayoune ou of the same team and give babel a chance up front with a genuine front player like torres or keane.. dont play lucas , maschrono and benayoune al on the same team sheet.. thats asking for a disaster. We were lucky to come away with a 00 draw

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:12 pm

beninspain wrote:i can not believe that we played with such negative ambition against a team that was 3 rd from bottom before play.. what is going on...

What's going on is our players are feeling the pressure, like Ferguson predicted. I can't stand the guy, but he certainly knows his football. We have a talented team, but some of them do not posses the mentality of winners, that's why we have :censored:

up so many times this season.

by **Tophatman** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:12 pm

Hey maybe i come from a bygone age when i stood in the Boys pen and went to the match for a £1 and got the 27 bus there and back and had enough for a bag of chips, but bloody hell are some of us watching a different game sometimes here!!!We have had a very good chance to be like the old days,out of sight by Christmas,but i have a funny feeling we will rue the day come May,when may have missed the opportunity to win our 19th championship and stop the mancs equalling our record.I just hope we are still at the top of the tree come May. :oh:

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:13 pm

Kojot wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Kojot wrote:Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.

Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I know you're trying to be positive and all, but f*ck me that was some shlte you just wrote there. Carra the new Cafu.

Mate,we are top of the league. And you are saying that it was mistake to play carra on the right back. You would play Jermaine?
I hate these negative posters. we are top of the league,stoke are bottom. We will show them next season. Even if we don`t win premierleague we did enough this year. How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

No, I'm not saying it was a mistake to play anyone anywhere. If I am to be critical, I'd say it was probably a mistake to start Kuyt up front on his own. I am not a Kuyt basher, but today Kuyt would only really have been truly effective had the wide players provided good support and decent crosses. Only twice did Riera put in a ball that caused their defence any danger, one of which Kuyt met with his head and spurned the chance. Anyway, I think you'll find I'm one of the least negative posters on here, but in either case, I also think that you are on some kind of a wind up. Just a hunch. I could be wrong.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:15 pm

Kojot wrote:How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

I'm a big Rafa fan, but that's just wrong. Five yrs is definitely enough time to make a challenge, especially with the money he's been given.

by **Kojot** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:16 pm

Madmax wrote:
Kojot wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Kojot wrote:Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.

Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I know you're trying to be positive and all, but f*ck me that was some shlte you just wrote there. Carra the new Cafu.

Mate,we are top of the league. And you are saying that it was mistake to play carra on the right back. You would play Jermaine?
I hate these negative posters. we are top of the league,stoke are bottom. We will show them next season. Even if we don`t win premierleague we did enough this year. How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

yeah we are top and we should be happy but the annoying thing is mate the points that we are dropping against the dire sides. Atleast though as you said this season we are making some sort of effort to try and win the league. But what a chance we have this season and we are making it hard for ourselves.

ohhhh,you are mistaking. Shut up,you are not our manager. He makes the best subs,he is buying the best players,we are playing some of the finest positive football,without the shitee persons like babel,penannt... Only thing that Rafa is constantly mistaking about is our defence. Skrtel,Agger,carra are not good CBs,they can`t defend properly. But I suppose Rafa wants to sort our attacking game first and then other areas. Give him time,he is adapting on EPL. About his signings,I regret only for Biscan,others were spot on,but couldn`t adapt on rotation,sadly.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:16 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Kojot wrote:How can anyone expect from manager to make a challenge in 5 years? It is not a lot of time. Give him time,FFS

I'm a big Rafa fan, but that's just wrong. Five yrs is definitely enough time to make a challenge, especially with the money he's been given.

That's the part that raised even my brow. Yes, I think this fella is on a wind up.

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