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[Thewaykokid]

I don't usually post after (or even look) a bad day but i'm so dissapointed with the performance and result today. For me it's our worst performance as a team and by the manager this season. I fully understood Skrtel coming in for Agger plus we did as good a job as any in dealing with their long-ball, long throw, long fu...c....k..ing everything football but after all the tub thumping and drum beating (which i loved) from Rafa yesterday I really thought we'd come out with a positive line-up and a positive performance today but it didn't happen. Lucas and Kuyt are taking the stick as usual but Rafa please? You waited 60 minutes to change something that wasn't working at any point during the game. You watched our best player get starved of possession for virtually the entire game and didn't do anything to change it. Stoke were no mugs and were never gonna allow Gerrard the time and space he enjoyed at St.James Park last week. He could have dropped him back into centre-mid or pushed him wide-right, I really don't understand why he kept him so high up the pitch, playing with his back to goal. I was bemused by the subs, Torres on 60? Why wait? By half-time it was clear they were dealing with Dirk without any problems and (after showing us a lot of respect the first 20) their back-line were pushing up to the half-way line when they were in possession. Torres or (and) Keane would have kept them honest and bought the likes of Lucas in midfield a little more space. Before Lando or any of the other guys who jump on the back of anyone who is critical jumps down my throat, I try and keeps things pretty balanced but today was poor from the manager.

I know we missed Alonso and Arbeloa and Insua as well but this team were there for the taking, they had lost their last four and hadn't won in eight games. With a more positive line-up i'm convinced we would have got the early goal that would have opened the game up. Our lads had all the possession during the first 20 minutes but we weren't set-up to take advantage.

100% on the ball, starting line up was horrible, it could've been fixed at half-time, but... . Why can't we manage the club? 

[Raffmaker]

Consider your responses to a disappointing point, before making fools of yourselves.

Yeah, and you also Lando before you make a fool of yourself!

You did not consider the Manager's decision to change the team and the formation? that was NEVER going to work agaisnt a good in the air, resilient stoke team.

Benitez was to blame, wrong team, wrong shape! but you dont mention this in your post Lando.


The team should have been....

              Reina

Carra  Hyypia  Agger  Aurelio

Kuyt  Gerrard  MAsch    Riera

           Keane   Torres

Rafa made too mancy changes and that cost us.

We are still top, and the stats dont lie, but we will not get away with dropping too many points for the rest of the season, and mark my words, will not "draw" our way to the title!

How long will we stay at the top!

I hope Utd and Chelsea do close in, because then we will see if LFC have got what it takes to win the league under pressure.

Because that's what it takes...

[Number 9]

this place would depress ya even more after that result!

Bye bye newkitters im going to pub to get Fu*king pished!
Stay happy y'all:)

[abbo8]

What ever possessed Keane to join Liverpool he moaned enough when he was substituted at Tottenham. He should have learnt from the Peter Crouch saga that if you regularly score goals Benitez will keep you on the bench. The performance today was shocking. I would love to be able to hear what messages Benitez sends down to the bench.Unfortunately sitting at the top of the table secures his future for even longer, with their squad any of us could keep them at the top.
It seems everyone apart from Benitez noticed Lucas was rubbish. I just get so frustrated to see a great bunch of guys led by someone that appears most times not to have a clue.

[Raffmaker]

. I would love to be able to hear what messages Benitez sends down to the bench.

One of them was........."Hi what are you wearing"

LOL LOL 

[Scottbot]

this place would depress ya even more after that result!

Bye bye newkitters im going to pub to get Fu*king pished!
Stay happy y'all:)

That's a bloody good shout lad!

[slickrick]

What ever possessed Keane to join Liverpool he moaned enough when he was substituted at Tottenham. He should have learnt from the Peter Crouch saga that if you regularly score goals Benitez will keep you on the bench. The performance today was shocking. I would love to be able to hear what messages Benitez sends down to the bench.Unfortunately sitting at the top of the table secures his future for even longer, with their squad any of us could keep them at the top.
It seems everyone apart from Benitez noticed Lucas was rubbish. I just get so frustrated to see a great bunch of guys led by someone that appears most times not to have a clue.

are you having a laugh? robbie keane and scoring regularly should never be put in the same sentence! i take it you didn't watch the game last week, keane missed 4 sittters, benitez was right to leave him on the bench! as for torres, why he didn't play is beyond me, it was vital that we won today with the other 2 playing each other tomorrow and we blew it! rafa would want to start concentrating on winning games instead of spending time talking sh.ite about alex ferguson! never mind about mind games, if utd win tomorrow they have the momentum to go on and win the title

[Madmax]

Another 0-0 draw to our list. Man these are building up alot. Really thought we were going to win by afew goals. Performance was dire, first half stoke were the better side by far. I think i have relised the diff between us and mannure is even when mannure are playing shyte and have players missing they still dig out 1-0 wins from nowhere. We lack that and thats the problem. Maybe its lack of ambition , passion or the lack of experience at leading the league. I feel if we dont sort this out then lads get ready for plenty more 0-0 draws. Anywayz were 4 points clear and i would prefer chelsea to beat mannure 2mrw. I think mannure pose more of the threat then chelsea.

[Madmax]

I hope Utd and Chelsea do close in, because then we will see if LFC have got what it takes to win the league under pressure.

Because that's what it takes...

Well i hope they dont because i dont think we could handle the pressure.

[eonerf]

take it you didn't watch the game last week, keane missed 4 sittters, benitez was right to leave him on the bench!

That's a valid point. I like Keane but last week he was abysmal and I'm losing faith in him. If he missed sitters against Preston how can you expect him to score against Stoke? We should have definitly started with Torres though.

[Madmax]

take it you didn't watch the game last week, keane missed 4 sittters, benitez was right to leave him on the bench!

That's a valid point. I like Keane but last week he was abysmal and I'm losing faith in him. If he missed sitters against Preston how can you expect him to score against Stoke? We should have definitly started with Torres though.

Well if rafa didnt start with him then he knows best, his the manager...  ...
But yeah i agree with for. Sometimes rafas decisions are strange.

[Emerald Red]

Consider your responses to a disappointing point, before making fools of yourselves.

Yeah, and you also Lando before you make a fool of yourself!

You did not consider the Manager's decision to change the team and the formation? that was NEVER going to work agaisnt a good in the air, resilient stoke team.

Benitez was to blame, wrong team, wrong shape! but you dont mention this in your post Lando.


The team should have been....

              Reina

Carra  Hyypia  Agger  Aurelio

Kuyt  Gerrard  MAsch    Riera

           Keane   Torres

Rafa made too mancy changes and that cost us.

We are still top, and the stats dont lie, but we will not get away with dropping too many points for the rest of the season, and mark my words, will not "draw" our way to the title!

How long will we stay at the top!

I hope Utd and Chelsea do close in, because then we will see if LFC have got what it takes to win the league under pressure.

Because that's what it takes...

What if he put out Torres, Keane and a formation of your liking, because you're the boss and you know best, and it failed to work and we still got a 0-0?

Would you still be yapping? I think yes. I think half this f*cking board would still be gurning and still having a dig at Benitez no matter what. To think, if I went and pulled some of the comments out from the Rafa on SSN thread saying how some of the same posters on here that are berating the manager, were singing his praises to the high heavens in there. Make your minds up. You either love him or hate him.

P*ss poor result, but it hardly knocks us out of the league. It'll be the 11th of January tomorrow and we'll still be top. Not bad going for a sh*t team and a manager that hasn't an ounce. Although, granted, leaving Torres and Keane on the bench to start with was a bit baffling IMO. It was a sh*t game on a sh*tty cold evening away from home. Why should it be an easy three points in these circumstances? The performance of some players, however, was unacceptable. Some awful schoolboy-like errors from players that you really wouldn't expect to see. Hyypia was guilty of a few; Reina was guilty of one shocker, Mascherano just looked completely amateurish at times, and Lucas' balls dropped off somewhere around the half way point in the first half. He was shocking throughout afterwards with his lax  square hospital balls across the middle, putting the back line under pressure. Riera was pretty average with wasting possession, and Gerrard just looked like a man that had a lot on his mind. Our main players just failed to function properly, and you can't attribute that to the manager, so get off his f*cking back. True he could have started an unfit Torres, and an off form Keane, but would it have made a difference? Probably not. Just another one of those days which we seem to be having on and off this season.

[Kojot]

Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.


Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

[Kojot]

Consider your responses to a disappointing point, before making fools of yourselves.

Yeah, and you also Lando before you make a fool of yourself!

You did not consider the Manager's decision to change the team and the formation? that was NEVER going to work agaisnt a good in the air, resilient stoke team.

Benitez was to blame, wrong team, wrong shape! but you dont mention this in your post Lando.


The team should have been....

              Reina

Carra  Hyypia  Agger  Aurelio

Kuyt  Gerrard  MAsch    Riera

           Keane   Torres

Rafa made too mancy changes and that cost us.

We are still top, and the stats dont lie, but we will not get away with dropping too many points for the rest of the season, and mark my words, will not "draw" our way to the title!

How long will we stay at the top!

I hope Utd and Chelsea do close in, because then we will see if LFC have got what it takes to win the league under pressure.

Because that's what it takes...

What if he put out Torres, Keane and a formation of your liking, because you're the boss and you know best, and it failed to work and we still got a 0-0?

Would you still be yapping? I think yes. I think half this f*cking board would still be gurning and still having a dig at Benitez no matter what. To think, if I went and pulled some of the comments out from the Rafa on SSN thread saying how some of the same posters on here that are berating the manager, were singing his praises to the high heavens in there. Make your minds up. You either love him or hate him.

P*ss poor result, but it hardly knocks us out of the league. It'll be the 11th of January tomorrow and we'll still be top. Not bad going for a sh*t team and a manager that hasn't an ounce. Although, granted, leaving Torres and Keane on the bench to start with was a bit baffling IMO. It was a sh*t game on a sh*tty cold evening away from home. Why should it be an easy three points in these circumstances? The performance of some players, however, was unacceptable. Some awful schoolboy-like errors from players that you really wouldn't expect to see. Hyypia was guilty of a few; Reina was guilty of one shocker, Mascherano just looked completely amateurish at times, and Lucas' balls dropped off somewhere around the half way point in the first half. He was shocking throughout afterwards with his lax  square hospital balls across the middle, putting the back line under pressure. Riera was pretty average with wasting possession, and Gerrard just looked like a man that had a lot on his mind. Our main players just failed to function properly, and you can't attribute that to the manager, so get off his f*cking back. True he could have started an unfit Torres, and an off form Keane, but would it have made a difference? Probably not. Just another one of those days which we seem to be having on and off this season.

absolutelly

[Emerald Red]

Well,even if we didn`t manage to score against stoke city twice this season,you must admit thata Rafa is doing great job.
Remember Liverpool under Houllier... Now we are top of the league and we are playing the best football in europe alongside Barca. We couldn`t beat stoke,but our line-up was spot on. Carra reminded me of Cafu in his best days in Roma at RB(Benitez made him look that good on RB,even I personally would try with Pennant at RB because it was Stoke,but Carra is also good attacker). I agree also that Agger shouldn`t play every game... But during the game I was thinking,he could run with the ball in the opponents half better than Hyypia,cause it was Stoke after all,no need to adapt against them. Even Hyypia did great job. Lucas Leiva looks bigger and quicker everytime I see him. He has ability,skills,he is quick and strong and I can realise why is he better than Diego. He should be our captain when Gerrard is not on the field. And two holding midfielders is much needed against Stoke,because Stoke beat arsenal this season,you know. Benayoun on the other hand is the most exciting player after big Zizou. He is sooo flowing footballer with the finest final balls,I LIKE HIM. He is also strong in duel and in the air and he don`t drink beer so he must be better player than El Zhar,Pennant,Babel and all of our youngsters. And strikers... I would rather play against Stoke Keane babel Kuyt,or Torres the front 3. But when I saw that big guy andy higinbototomomom,I understood rafa`s masterplan. There was no need for Babel,or Keane to lose their stamina against some of the best defenders in EPL,cause they couldn`t do anything.


Don`t be so harsh on Rafa. We are top of the league:) ...
He is doing great job...
We are top of the league,even we couldn` score against stoke.
Babel is developing in fantastic player. Rafa is doing the same thing that Fergie did with Ronaldo. And also Rafa knows in which game Keane will score goal(s) so he plays him only when Keane will deffo score. Only thing I think Rafa could do better is that mess in front of our goal. these CBs are not world class deffo.
We are top of the league end of disscussion:blues:

I know you're trying to be positive and all, but f*ck me that was some shlte you just wrote there. Carra the new Cafu.