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by **112-1077774096** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:41 am

Ben1988 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Ben1988 wrote:christ Fo Dne u and peewee really Fuk me off.

If you don't think he is good enough fair enough but just leave it at that, there is nothing you can do about it. He is in the squad, a big part of Rafa's plans by the looks of things. Back your team, back your players.

Untill Kuyt starts playing well below par im backing him and the manager and I think you should do the same

is 1988 the year you was born mate? I had been going the game for 15 years by that point. I earned my stripes mate and its things like this that pretty much allows me to have an opinion and to air it. I think if you actually take time to read the forum you will see me praise kuyt when its deserved and slate him when its deserved.

I just hope you get the chance to be in the ground when the title is won and to be honest there is not many of us on this forum who have had that pleasure. Each opinion is personal and I really dont give a shiny sh'te if my opinion f'cks you off, the beauty of opinions is that people have different ones and I can tell you kuyt would never have got anywhere near our first team in the heady days.

Kuyt is a player with limitations and as the game goes on and he is getting more tired from running round to correct his mistakes then he starts to make even more mistakes. He failed as a forward (unless you think rafa is stupid enough to play a quality striker on the right, and if that the case I wonder when we will torres out there), and to be honest on the right he looks about as comfortable on the ball as a pair of speedos 5 sizes to small,

As for par, kuyt has set his very low, kuyt on par is still below others standards.

Please feel free to have your opinion but also respect the fact that others will disagree

we are no longer in the heady days.

and bcos your 20odd years older than me means your opinion counts more.... we are talking about dirk kuyt here.. forgive me if im wrong but i dont think he was around all them moons ago.

Fair enough if u give him stick and praise him when u feel right... but why be so extremist in the negative side of things.

Give credit where it is due... back the players to the hill

I agree he isnt good enough as a right winger at LFC but thats what weve got at the moment, nothing else, pennant is un proven and kuyt is doing a good enough job to keep him out of the team. Rafa knows what he is doing on the field... i agree he should of bought a right winger, but he didnt. once again back the players we have.

Kuyt doesnt wana be on the right, but hes doing a good job, we are winning, playing well, come on here and slag him off when we lose and it is his fault. Other than that BACK YOUR TEAM AND ITS PLAYERS

That is all we are asking.... kuyts fighting hard for the club and isnt doing to bad of a job at it

Sorry ben i stopped reading when you said I think my opinion counts more. I never said that, I said I have earned the right to have an opinion, this is very different to what you said about it. And to be honest if you try and twist my comments in the first line the rest of your post is possibly full of innacuracies

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:44 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Yooj Bigullz wrote:
GYBS wrote:then you need to look back thru some of the threads where i have pointed out the limitations i think kuyt has . Yes i do defend cause i think he does a good and very underrated job for us and doesnt get the credit he deserves and instead just gets constantly slagged off . If i think he doesnt deserve to play or shouldnt play then i will say so . Hence why i said he shouldnt of really played against stoke but was perfect for derby and last night

For the third and final time, I'm not searching through pages and pages of old threads, certainly not for the odd post where you've put your sexual attraction to Dirk aside, and have offered some mild critique

Let's draw a line under it, eh? I'm guessing anyone else might be bored to tears reading the same thing over and over

dont accuse me of stuff then without actually coming up with proof of this overstating and pedastal you keep talking about . And yeah people are getting bored off people constantly slagging off a player who continues to contribute to the team in a positive way and getting no credit for it at all . Ie a witch hunt on the player . Who be great just one of these days for one of those posters to actually hold their hands up and say yeah kuyt did well then and played a big part in the victory .

Why do you think we want the player out of the side?

Don't you think its strange how don't want Alonso, Gerrard, Riera, Keane, Carragher, Reina etc out of the team?

Do you think that it could possibly be due to him being a weak link he gets the critisism?

Thats where the arguments arise. Not everyone does want him out of the team. The only move a majority would accept is if Gerrard is moved to the right. A player of Gerrards quality would be acceptable but unless Kuyt gets injured then that wont happen. And im quite happy for Kuyt to continue playing there. Okay, he doesnt have as much skill as other wingers but lets look at Kuyt for what he is. Take the stoke match. The balls were being pinged in from the wings and fullbacks and it was all pointless, there defenders kept knocking them away. Kuyt had the sense to stop doing that and get in the area to the byline and create something that way. Out of all the players, Kuyt has the energy and can seem to run forever, and he does. And in that I appreciate it. Yes, at times he lets himself down, but name any other player for Liverpool who doesnt. Riera has looked good on the left, but not even he has played every game a blinder, or even good enough. He offers the balance, but he hasnt lit up the premiership. Kuyt is unfashionable, but he gets the job done. Lets watch the matches more closely when Kuyt isnt involved, and see for ourselves the difference he does make.

Its simple mate, he loses possession to much. In games this season I've watched him lose the ball about 60%-70% of the time he's had it.

His passing is woeful and thats the most important thing at this level. If you can pass a ball and have a decent touch you can get away with it. Finnan did for years, but Kuyt really can't. His passing is woeful and it hinders the team, the fluidity and chances of other players receiving the ball in places where they can do damage.

by **Kharhaz** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:57 am

Fo Dne wrote:Its simple mate, he loses possession to much. In games this season I've watched him lose the ball about 60%-70% of the time he's had it.

His passing is woeful and thats the most important thing at this level. If you can pass a ball and have a decent touch you can get away with it. Finnan did for years, but Kuyt really can't. His passing is woeful and it hinders the team, the fluidity and chances of other players receiving the ball in places where they can do damage.

But with players like Finnan and Hamann its simple. Its a simple pass, Finnan under pressure booted the ball forward, Hamann didnt, he really was class and coolness itself under pressure. Alonso also has given the ball away a lot. So has Gerrard. It seems to me that whatever Kuyt does its wrong. I dont dismiss your opinion at all, there are times when I watch Kuyt and think, why is he on the pitch? but there are times when I admire the guy for not giving up, bad performance or not, he still works. And I cant say the same for anyone else in the team, ANYONE. We all watch the same matches, we all see the same performances but you dont see Kuyt seeing his backside because the crowd dont love him, you dont see Kuyt seeing his backside because hes missed an easy chance, you dont see Kuyt seeing his backside because the team are not winning. What you do see is Kuyt working his backside off to make something happen, and in that, I respect the guy and would have him in my side everytime.

by **Number 9** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:05 am

I would love to see Kuyt dropped for a few games and Gerrard put out right to see
how we go because I feel its the only way we can get our best 3 MFs out there!

The thing is though I really feel the team as a whole would miss his energy,hard work,getting forward and tracking back.
It would be interesting to see what happened though..part of me thinks it would be for the benefit of the team and part feels that only when he gets dropped would he get appreciated like he deserves!

Do it Rafa..lest see what happens!

LFC Uber Elite Super Member · by **LFC Uber Elite Super Member** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:23 am

Number 9 wrote:I would love to see Kuyt dropped for a few games and Gerrard put out right to see
how we go because I feel its the only way we can get our best 3 MFs out there!

The thing is though I really feel the team as a whole would miss his energy,hard work,getting forward and tracking back.
It would be interesting to see what happened though..part of me thinks it would be for the benefit of the team and part feels that only when he gets dropped would he get appreciated like he deserves!

Do it Rafa..lest see what happens!

It would also be interesting to see if Gerrard can get foward more often on the right given Xabi/ Masch will sit deep. The
other option of course is Gerrard on the Left which allows him to open up the angle on his right boot.

by **desmdlow** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:13 am

I am not going to pour oil on fire.. but i have a opinion that we seems to start our atk in kuyt. He seems to be the point where we hold the ball and let everyone else join the atk. maybe tats why he lost the ball more often.. just my 2cents.

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:17 am

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Lee J wrote:blame him for what? playing a player that puts in a solid reliable performance, scores a goal and creates another?

jeez you people are not getting it are you?

Right side of a front 3 he does a job.

Right side of midfield he is terrible.

So if you think that, then who is at fault?

Your at fault mate , for finding fault ,where the is none at the minute .

You worry far to much.......

My at fault? What does that mean?

I said IF you think that. You clearly don't, but IF you did think that, whose fault is it that he's terrible at right midfield?

I worry about the mancs overtaking our record. Do you not?

It's only a debate , were winning ,playing better by the game , we look more balanced , what's the problem . What part of the season are we at , come back to me after chrimbo and we'll debate then about the mancs catching up , until then enjoy the ride and worry a little bit less ,you'll live longer i promise.

Cool, I won't expect any new posts from you til then eh?

In the meantime perhaps spend some time not being a patronising idiot and maybe go and work on your grammar.

I like it , and grammar has never been a strong point of mine . When you get to my age ace , you tend not to give a really . Heyho ,one more poster to bring a bit of optimism then , or is it realism ,i forget.

Is my grammar still bad , or are you worried about that aswell.

Doesn't worry me one bit fella... I don't mock the ill-educated.

As for the realism / optimism you're talking about, perhaps you're just another plank painting me with the same brush as everyone.

No wonder there are posts everywhere about people leaving with posts like that to newcomers with the temerity to have opinions contrary to your own.

Alright lash , you win , i don't do arguements . I'll apologise now ,if you felt insulted . You asked a question and i gave an opinion on it . You didn't like it ,so you MOCKED my grammar . THere you go ,leave it at that. Happy posting.

by **GYBS** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:17 am

loosing the ball 60% - 70% of the time ? any stats to back that up ? i remember seeing a caption against him on wed night when it said passes completed 89% ?? how come that was ?

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:30 am

Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Lee J wrote:blame him for what? playing a player that puts in a solid reliable performance, scores a goal and creates another?

jeez you people are not getting it are you?

Right side of a front 3 he does a job.

Right side of midfield he is terrible.

So if you think that, then who is at fault?

Your at fault mate , for finding fault ,where the is none at the minute .

You worry far to much.......

My at fault? What does that mean?

I said IF you think that. You clearly don't, but IF you did think that, whose fault is it that he's terrible at right midfield?

I worry about the mancs overtaking our record. Do you not?

It's only a debate , were winning ,playing better by the game , we look more balanced , what's the problem . What part of the season are we at , come back to me after chrimbo and we'll debate then about the mancs catching up , until then enjoy the ride and worry a little bit less ,you'll live longer i promise.

Cool, I won't expect any new posts from you til then eh?

In the meantime perhaps spend some time not being a patronising idiot and maybe go and work on your grammar.

I like it , and grammar has never been a strong point of mine . When you get to my age ace , you tend not to give a really . Heyho ,one more poster to bring a bit of optimism then , or is it realism ,i forget.

Is my grammar still bad , or are you worried about that aswell.

Doesn't worry me one bit fella... I don't mock the ill-educated.

As for the realism / optimism you're talking about, perhaps you're just another plank painting me with the same brush as everyone.

No wonder there are posts everywhere about people leaving with posts like that to newcomers with the temerity to have opinions contrary to your own.

Alright lash , you win , i don't do arguements . I'll apologise now ,if you felt insulted . You asked a question and i gave an opinion on it . You didn't like it ,so you MOCKED my grammar . THere you go ,leave it at that. Happy posting.

What is it with a minority of people on this place FFs... you patronised me, I respond in kind, you have a whimper about it - it's there, quoted in this post for all to see.

Grow up.

by **GYBS** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:33 am

are you sure your not from a place called liverpoolfc.fm jimmy

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:38 am

GYBS wrote:are you sure your not from a place called liverpoolfc.fm jimmy

Don't follow.

by **GYBS** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:40 am

ok , just your posts are starting once again to remind me of someone from another place - esp your vies about masher having the odd shot - only ever really heard one person mention that .

by **Jimmy the Weasel** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:41 am

GYBS wrote:ok , just your posts are starting once again to remind me of someone from another place - esp your vies about masher having the odd shot - only ever really heard one person mention that .

I see - wellIm not interested in discussing on the board really, I have sent you a message

I cant help if somebody else you know thinks the same thing as I do

by **GYBS** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:44 am

no worries

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:55 am

Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel wrote:
Lee J wrote:blame him for what? playing a player that puts in a solid reliable performance, scores a goal and creates another?

jeez you people are not getting it are you?

Right side of a front 3 he does a job.

Right side of midfield he is terrible.

So if you think that, then who is at fault?

Your at fault mate , for finding fault ,where the is none at the minute .

You worry far to much.......

My at fault? What does that mean?

I said IF you think that. You clearly don't, but IF you did think that, whose fault is it that he's terrible at right midfield?

I worry about the mancs overtaking our record. Do you not?

It's only a debate , were winning ,playing better by the game , we look more balanced , what's the problem . What part of the season are we at , come back to me after chrimbo and we'll debate then about the mancs catching up , until then enjoy the ride and worry a little bit less ,you'll live longer i promise.

Cool, I won't expect any new posts from you til then eh?

In the meantime perhaps spend some time not being a patronising idiot and maybe go and work on your grammar.

I like it , and grammar has never been a strong point of mine . When you get to my age ace , you tend not to give a really . Heyho ,one more poster to bring a bit of optimism then , or is it realism ,i forget.

Is my grammar still bad , or are you worried about that aswell.

Doesn't worry me one bit fella... I don't mock the ill-educated.

As for the realism / optimism you're talking about, perhaps you're just another plank painting me with the same brush as everyone.

No wonder there are posts everywhere about people leaving with posts like that to newcomers with the temerity to have opinions contrary to your own.

Alright lash , you win , i don't do arguements . I'll apologise now ,if you felt insulted . You asked a question and i gave an opinion on it . You didn't like it ,so you MOCKED my grammar . THere you go ,leave it at that. Happy posting.

What is it with a minority of people on this place FFs... you patronised me, I respond in kind, you have a whimper about it - it's there, quoted in this post for all to see.

Grow up.

You've had an apology ,what more do you want. Now leave it at that.

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