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by **crazyhorse** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:40 pm

Was this thread not about Dirky??

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:47 pm

crazyhorse wrote:Was this thread not about Dirky??

see what he does?

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:55 pm

Yes i think he should be in the team more often than not . he proves his worth in the team . i think he is good enough and if we dont win the league its not because of him . plenty of teams have won the league with decent players in the team/squad and thats what kuyt is - decent . and kuyt may of only got into the dutch squad because seedorf(not sure if thats the case or noy) wasnt there but he was still picked ahead of both robben and huntelaar in the euros .

by **maguskwt** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:00 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Why dont yous two turn it in weve got a Derby to think about on Sat, Biggest game of the season we shouldnt be havin a go at each other save that for the bluesh.ite

YEAHHHHHH.... KILL THEM ALLLLL!!!!

figuratively speaking of course...

by **maguskwt** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:01 pm

GYBS wrote:Yes i think he should be in the team more often than not . he proves his worth in the team . i think he is good enough and if we dont win the league its not because of him . plenty of teams have won the league with decent players in the team/squad and thats what kuyt is - decent . and kuyt may of only got into the dutch squad because seedorf(not sure if thats the case or noy) wasnt there but he was still picked ahead of both robben and huntelaar in the euros .

seedorf plays as a CM mate...

by **Yooj Bigullz** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:02 pm

Neither of those play in his position

RVN got picked instead of Huntelaar. I'd guess Robben would have been earmarked for the left side too

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:03 pm

i know mate which made me question why his was used in reference to kuyt in the post from yogi ??

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:06 pm

Yooj Bigullz wrote: Neither of those play in his position

RVN got picked instead of Huntelaar. I'd guess Robben would have been earmarked for the left side too

and seedorf does

im prety sure for holland they have robben one side and van persie the other so kuyt was playing so no place for robben .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:14 pm

GYBS wrote:Yes i think he should be in the team more often than not . he proves his worth in the team . i think he is good enough and if we dont win the league its not because of him . plenty of teams have won the league with decent players in the team/squad and thats what kuyt is - decent . and kuyt may of only got into the dutch squad because seedorf(not sure if thats the case or noy) wasnt there but he was still picked ahead of both robben and huntelaar in the euros .

I think that argument would carry a little more weight if Holland had won the Euro rather than disappointing as usual.

I think Kuyt is a hard working player that seems like a nice bloke, but who should be a squad player rather than a regular first team player.

If he is so good in Europe ...... play him in European games but 3 goals in a season and a bit, seems a very small return in the league, especially for a team that has very few regular goal scorers. Can we afford to play someone every week who's main contribution is hard work, when its creativity and lack of goals that is seemingly our biggest problem?

by **Yooj Bigullz** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:14 pm

I've managed to dig up the article which inferred Seedorf quitting has opened the door for someone. I actually said Dirk was in the squad because Seedorf wasn't, no mention of position

Van Basten "Did Not See It Coming"

Marco van Basten insisted he was as stunned as the next guy after Clarence Seedorf ruled himself out of the European Championship final stage.

“I was surprised by his announcement,” said the Netherlands boss, who will step down at the end of the tournament to take over at former club Ajax.

“I wasn’t expecting this. I have said before that I have a lot of respect for Clarence, both as a person and as a footballer. But his decision was final.” Van Basten told KNVB’s official website.

With the 32-year-old Suriname-born midfielder withdrawing, Van Basten is now left with 29 players pre-selected, a squad he will cut down to 26 on Friday. He will then face a May 28 deadline to decide on his final 23.

Kuyt is the people’s choice

Seedorf making himself unavailable also means that he won’t come up against Italy, where’s he’s been plying his trade since January 2000. It could also be somewhat of good news to Dirk Kuyt, who’s reportedly also in limbo.

The Liverpool forward has been included in Van Basten’s initial squad and it seems that the Dutch fans want to see him travel along to Austria and Switzerland. The football association conducted a poll on its website, asking the Oranje faithful to suggest which one among Danny Koevermans, Arjen Robben, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink and Kuyt should definitely be included.

More than half of the 12,000 people who posted their opinion (52%) went for Kuyt, with the Real Madrid winger finishing second with almost one third of the vote (32%). Vennegoor of Hesselink was third on 9% and Koevermans last with a mere 7 per cent.

by **burjennio** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:57 pm

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Posted: Sep. 24 2008,16:32 QUOTE

Quote (burjennio @ Sep. 24 2008,15:35)
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The realms of bulls hit statements. It got censored, see?

I also answered the suggestion that because he starts regularly, Kuyt is somehow deemed a good enough player - I missed the reply to my question about Nicky Tanner...

Kuyt's touch is poor, he slows attacks down with his "running in treacle" pace, he's either a striker who often looks terrified to shoot or a right winger who doesnt have the craft or guile to beat a man.

Yes he works his off and runs all day and I admire that - I bet he can't believe his luck playing for our great club. I'd be happier if he worked slightly less hard and was slightly more technically gifted and talented as a footballer.

But he isn't, so instead of being allowed to criticise, we have to lower the bar of what's acceptable standard at LFC, and get blinkered idiots like you telling us that "working hard" is suddenly enough to justify a starting place in the team.

Oh, and despite all this, when I'm at the game, Kuyt, like the rest of the team, gets my 110% backing DESPITE all these blatant deficiencies, so telling me to get behind the team by posting on an internet messageboard seems a bit of a stupid suggestion... and par for the course apparently.

Or does he post on here too?

running in treacle. scared to shoot. can't beat a man.

every one of those statements is false. and you have the cheek to call me a blinkered idiot. You also will go to the ground and get behind the player only to come onto message boards like this and cry and whinge like a baby. That makes you two faced. And how can you possibly compare a defender from 15 odd years ago to a forward player of today? Cause he was a poor player? He was moved on because of that, as were the rest of that medicore back line. Rafa has no plans to move on Kuyt, Why? because he knows hes a good player from working with him every day, as do his team mates. So if your gonna spout opinionated garbage and drop little passive-aggressive insults why dont you at least give practical and specific examples so you at least have a shred of clout. Otherwise go back to supporting whoever it was you follwed pre May 2005

Ok, I was wrong, he's pacey, tricky and dynamite in front of goal. Remind me when he last scored in the league again?

And your criteria for somebody being good enough was that they're a regular starter. Utter nonsense.

Have you never seen Kuyt one on one with a fullback before or something? It's quite cringey, with the defender knowing full well he won't dribble past him watching him pretend he's going to cross, then actually going to cross and usually managing to win a throw-in as the ball deflects off said defender.

And "two-faced"? Make your mind up - you think Kuyt's feelings are hurt by me being "two-faced" like this? Or would you rather I actually went to the match and told him what an incredibly limited footballer I think he is? You've just said I'm not allowed to do that so what exactly is it that you want!?

You support the team on matchdays no matter who lines up. If you think different, you're clearly a retard.

I was cheering on Don "the beermat" Hutchison and Jimmy effing Carter in the past, so for some gimp on a messageboard to suggest I shouldn't cheer Kuyt because he's an average player suggests you're the one who was supporting another team before 2005. Clown.

Another WUM. keep firing insults around like your doing and you'll be looking some other msg board to cry on. Again you points on Kuyt are nothing but bull5hit

He goes past players all the time. try paying attention

hes not lightning quick but the last time i checked Cisse and Baros were moved on from this club as that was the only attribute they possessed.

hes not prolific cause hes playing on the RIGHT SIDE OF MIDFIELD. When he was misfiring up front the club was in turmoil and his father had died. Some people struggle to come to terms with these things, especially when his dad was a relatively young man.

And just to clarify on a misperception alot of you Kuyt bashers have. I do not, and am pretty sure I speak for others on here when I say this, believe Kuyt is on the same level of a Gerrard or Torres, far from it.Nor do I believe he should start automatically. I simply believe the guy is a good player who may lack certain technical qualities but makes up for them with other skills, which are his determination, workrate and teamwork. If the most gifted sides always got the spoils Arsenal would romp the league and Barcelona would win the European Cup every season. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT

I can give you no better example of this than when we beat Barca in the Nou Camp in 07. Barca for all there technical ability and skill were outdone not by superior football but by a team that showed more workrate, more detirmination and a better tactical balance than the fancy dan elite could cope with. Every side needs this balance

This thread is descending into a total joke. I cannot believe I have not only read a Liverpool supporter that he wished a player injured or dead, joke r not, but that a supposed fan actually wished Arsenal would "give us a thrashing to wake some of us people up". what us people is that exactly. the people that realize our season isnt over because we only drew with Stoke or the people that come on here and back up 1 of our players when some of you come on here and write about him with the kind of distain i would associate with an attack on a peodophile

by **Yooj Bigullz** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:05 pm

He's entitled to his opinion. I for one agree too. No need to get so precious

by **puroresu** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:05 pm

burjennio wrote:
Jimmy the Weasel Offline
LFC newBie

Group: LFC Probationary Member
Posts: 25
Joined: Sep. 2008
Posted: Sep. 24 2008,16:32 QUOTE

Quote (burjennio @ Sep. 24 2008,15:35)
Quote
The realms of bulls hit statements. It got censored, see?

I also answered the suggestion that because he starts regularly, Kuyt is somehow deemed a good enough player - I missed the reply to my question about Nicky Tanner...

Kuyt's touch is poor, he slows attacks down with his "running in treacle" pace, he's either a striker who often looks terrified to shoot or a right winger who doesnt have the craft or guile to beat a man.

Yes he works his off and runs all day and I admire that - I bet he can't believe his luck playing for our great club. I'd be happier if he worked slightly less hard and was slightly more technically gifted and talented as a footballer.

But he isn't, so instead of being allowed to criticise, we have to lower the bar of what's acceptable standard at LFC, and get blinkered idiots like you telling us that "working hard" is suddenly enough to justify a starting place in the team.

Oh, and despite all this, when I'm at the game, Kuyt, like the rest of the team, gets my 110% backing DESPITE all these blatant deficiencies, so telling me to get behind the team by posting on an internet messageboard seems a bit of a stupid suggestion... and par for the course apparently.

Or does he post on here too?

running in treacle. scared to shoot. can't beat a man.

every one of those statements is false. and you have the cheek to call me a blinkered idiot. You also will go to the ground and get behind the player only to come onto message boards like this and cry and whinge like a baby. That makes you two faced. And how can you possibly compare a defender from 15 odd years ago to a forward player of today? Cause he was a poor player? He was moved on because of that, as were the rest of that medicore back line. Rafa has no plans to move on Kuyt, Why? because he knows hes a good player from working with him every day, as do his team mates. So if your gonna spout opinionated garbage and drop little passive-aggressive insults why dont you at least give practical and specific examples so you at least have a shred of clout. Otherwise go back to supporting whoever it was you follwed pre May 2005

Ok, I was wrong, he's pacey, tricky and dynamite in front of goal. Remind me when he last scored in the league again?

And your criteria for somebody being good enough was that they're a regular starter. Utter nonsense.

Have you never seen Kuyt one on one with a fullback before or something? It's quite cringey, with the defender knowing full well he won't dribble past him watching him pretend he's going to cross, then actually going to cross and usually managing to win a throw-in as the ball deflects off said defender.

And "two-faced"? Make your mind up - you think Kuyt's feelings are hurt by me being "two-faced" like this? Or would you rather I actually went to the match and told him what an incredibly limited footballer I think he is? You've just said I'm not allowed to do that so what exactly is it that you want!?

You support the team on matchdays no matter who lines up. If you think different, you're clearly a retard.

I was cheering on Don "the beermat" Hutchison and Jimmy effing Carter in the past, so for some gimp on a messageboard to suggest I shouldn't cheer Kuyt because he's an average player suggests you're the one who was supporting another team before 2005. Clown.

Another WUM. keep firing insults around like your doing and you'll be looking some other msg board to cry on. Again you points on Kuyt are nothing but bull5hit

He goes past players all the time. try paying attention

hes not lightning quick but the last time i checked Cisse and Baros were moved on from this club as that was the only attribute they possessed.

hes not prolific cause hes playing on the RIGHT SIDE OF MIDFIELD. When he was misfiring up front the club was in turmoil and his father had died. Some people struggle to come to terms with these things, especially when his dad was a relatively young man.

And just to clarify on a misperception alot of you Kuyt bashers have. I do not, and am pretty sure I speak for others on here when I say this, believe Kuyt is on the same level of a Gerrard or Torres, far from it.Nor do I believe he should start automatically. I simply believe the guy is a good player who may lack certain technical qualities but makes up for them with other skills, which are his determination, workrate and teamwork. If the most gifted sides always got the spoils Arsenal would romp the league and Barcelona would win the European Cup every season. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT

I can give you no better example of this than when we beat Barca in the Nou Camp in 07. Barca for all there technical ability and skill were outdone not by superior football but by a team that showed more workrate, more detirmination and a better tactical balance than the fancy dan elite could cope with. Every side needs this balance

This thread is descending into a total joke. I cannot believe I have not only read a Liverpool supporter that he wished a player injured or dead, joke r not, but that a supposed fan actually wished Arsenal would "give us a thrashing to wake some of us people up". what us people is that exactly. the people that realize our season isnt over because we only drew with Stoke or the people that come on here and back up 1 of our players when some of you come on here and write about him with the kind of distain i would associate with an attack on a peodophile

If Dirk Kuyt was playing for any other side I doubt you would you would be saying "lets go and sign him".

I aint saying you need 11 flair players but we must be able to get better players than Kuyt in our side.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:06 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:Yes i think he should be in the team more often than not . he proves his worth in the team . i think he is good enough and if we dont win the league its not because of him . plenty of teams have won the league with decent players in the team/squad and thats what kuyt is - decent . and kuyt may of only got into the dutch squad because seedorf(not sure if thats the case or noy) wasnt there but he was still picked ahead of both robben and huntelaar in the euros .

I think that argument would carry a little more weight if Holland had won the Euro rather than disappointing as usual.

In fairness, they played some of the best football of the tournament in the group stages and Kuyt played a big part in that. Russia outclassed them in the knockout stage though.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:15 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:Yes i think he should be in the team more often than not . he proves his worth in the team . i think he is good enough and if we dont win the league its not because of him . plenty of teams have won the league with decent players in the team/squad and thats what kuyt is - decent . and kuyt may of only got into the dutch squad because seedorf(not sure if thats the case or noy) wasnt there but he was still picked ahead of both robben and huntelaar in the euros .

I think that argument would carry a little more weight if Holland had won the Euro rather than disappointing as usual.

Russia outclassed them in the knockout stage though.

Yes I agree they did

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