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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:20 pm

dude you keep coming up with the same old retort of ''or is your opinion more correct than that of professional footballers, team mates, world class managers''.

you dont seem to have anything else other than that. try something better next time. i could see why Stu loses patience with you.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:31 pm

Dude

what sort of yank word is that

You can eep just picking out the points where you choose to argue and ignoring the rest of the posts and thread as much as you want . Its nice and simple for you - The majority of peoples views on this thread and others have been backed up by results,goals,assists, managers ,players,ex players etc etc . The proof is there but is ignored .

by **LFC2007** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:32 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:i dont deny that statement is true and i agree kuyt is a good player but would it kill to drop him to give players like pennant or gerrard a stint on the right?

I wouldn't mind seeing Gerrard on the right, but I'd prefer Kuyt on the right to Pennant most of the time. That wasn't really the point though. I was disagreeing with the idea that those who don't think he's a 'clown', 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a 'Kunt' etc., and who think he's a decent player - if not quite good enough - view him as infallible, it's a myth. The inevitable reaction to the abuse and unreasonable nitpicking of his performances (relative to every other member of the squad) will provoke responses in defence of him. And, if I ask myself what's more conducive to a successful club as a supporter; to react in defence of a player against abuse and/or persistent and unreasonable criticism of him, or, to abuse and/or persistently criticise a player to the extent that he is judged by a different standard, I come to the view that those who are defending him are being perfectly reasonable whilst those who are abusing him and/or judging him by a different standard to other players are unreasonable and don't promote a healthy attitude. Optimism - if misplaced at times - is a healthier mentality to have as a fan, IMO. To put it in simple terms, would you rather have 44,000 Heimdalls turn up each week, or 44,000 Barry Belfasts?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:00 pm

GYBS wrote:Dude what sort of yank word is that

You can eep just picking out the points where you choose to argue and ignoring the rest of the posts and thread as much as you want . Its nice and simple for you - The majority of peoples views on this thread and others have been backed up by results,goals,assists, managers ,players,ex players etc etc . The proof is there but is ignored .

ahh you're full of tosh

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:02 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:i dont deny that statement is true and i agree kuyt is a good player but would it kill to drop him to give players like pennant or gerrard a stint on the right?

I wouldn't mind seeing Gerrard on the right, but I'd prefer Kuyt on the right to Pennant most of the time. That wasn't really the point though. I was disagreeing with the idea that those who don't think he's a 'clown', 'Rafa's Sean Dundee', a 'Kunt' etc., and who think he's a decent player - if not quite good enough - view him as infallible, it's a myth. The inevitable reaction to the abuse and unreasonable nitpicking of his performances (relative to every other member of the squad) will provoke responses in defence of him. And, if I ask myself what's more conducive to a successful club as a supporter; to react in defence of a player against abuse and/or persistent and unreasonable criticism of him, or, to abuse and/or persistently criticise a player to the extent that he is judged by a different standard, I come to the view that those who are defending him are being perfectly reasonable whilst those who are abusing him and/or judging him by a different standard to other players are unreasonable and don't promote a healthy attitude. Optimism - if misplaced at times - is a healthier mentality to have as a fan, IMO. To put it in simple terms, would you rather have 44,000 Heimdalls turn up each week, or 44,000 Barry Belfasts?

i get exactly what u mean and i agree with you. im just frustrated that Rafa doesnt want to try having Gerrard out on the right as he is a bigger impact player than Kuyt.

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:04 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:Dude what sort of yank word is that

You can eep just picking out the points where you choose to argue and ignoring the rest of the posts and thread as much as you want . Its nice and simple for you - The majority of peoples views on this thread and others have been backed up by results,goals,assists, managers ,players,ex players etc etc . The proof is there but is ignored .

ahh you're full of tosh

really and why is that then ?

and yeah gerrard on the right may of done well but he also wondered inside a hell of a lot when playing out right and more often than not one of the strikers moved out right to cover for him . he wants to play in the centre , he is our best player in the centre and last season playing behind torres was when he was at his best .

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:12 pm

So play Keane on the right Gerrard behind Torres and Reina on the left and everyones happy ........ apart from the posters that would say "pay £20million for a striker and play him on the wing :no

"

You can't please everyone all the time, but you could please a lot of the people most of the time by playing Kuyt less

by **Zidane** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:13 pm

Rafa is gonna put Kuyt in the starting 11 no matter what he does or doesn't do on the pitch and for the team for reasons that I think go beyond just pure tactics. I mean of course they include his talents and what not but Rafa loves him as a player because he is like the epitome of Rafa's style as a manager.

I don't like Kuyt in most games but he proves himself on other occassions. Kuyt is a solid player, just don't agree with him being a constant in the squad. We have to change this though imo Kuyt doesn't offer enough to warrant a basically guaranteed spot on the pitch for us.

by **heimdall** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:30 pm

Rafa has his favourites and he seems to me to be a very bitter person who holds a lot of grudges, a big sign of insecurity. Take for example last night, why wasn't Sami the captain, hmm let me see is it maybe because Sami dared to express disappointment at not being in the European squad, he forgot the cardinal rule at Liverpool that you mustn't ever criticise the all mighty Rafa! Kuyt will always be played by Rafa because for Rafa working hard is the most important thing and certainly more important than silly things like playing a player in the right position and playing and buying players with a bit of flair.
For me the jury is still out on Rafa this season and so far so good in terms of points etc but the only game I got excited about was the win against Manure, all the other matches we have struggled in which is not good enough if we harbour ambitions of winning the league. My main problem with Rafa at the moment is Kuyt, almost every expert will tell you that Pennant should at least be given a chance on the right.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:42 pm

I have to give you credit Heimdall your like one of those Weebles ...... you wobble but you dont fall down. Kicked and hit from every direction you keep popping back up giving your views. While I don't usually agree with you mate I admire your tenacity and think you do raise some interesting points for debate. The problem is they usually get lost in all the abuse you receive.

As for your point about Hyypia , I think HE WAS CAPTAIN yesterday, I think that was an error on the offal? Maybe someone who went to the game could clarify it ?

I think most people accept now, that once you get on Rafa's sh!t list, its a long hard road back.

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:43 pm

Im sorry but the Derby is the perfect game for Kuyt we need workers people who are gonna get stuck in , chase every ball , hassle there players. And yes put a few crosses in like kuyt does. And yes be in the right position at the right time like Kuyt does,
We need players to sweat blood on Sat and you know for a fact Kuyt will give 100% So imo id have him in from the start

by **GYBS** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:49 pm

Sami was the capt last night and its amazing someone says manure game only game gettin excited about and thinking kuyt holding us back etc blah blah but who set up the winning goal again ? was it not masher and KUYT

and experts saying pennat should play ? which experts are these ?

by **puroresu** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:05 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Im sorry but the Derby is the perfect game for Kuyt we need workers people who are gonna get stuck in , chase every ball , hassle there players. And yes put a few crosses in like kuyt does. And yes be in the right position at the right time like Kuyt does,
We need players to sweat blood on Sat and you know for a fact Kuyt will give 100% So imo id have him in from the start

Rather have some real quality than a player who chases every ball and gets stuck in.

by **Sabre** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:11 pm

s@int wrote:
You can't please everyone all the time, but you could please a lot of the people most of the time by playing Kuyt less

You include a smiley there but it's true aswell.

That's a football opinion, and most of them are respectable. What I don't understand is why in these boards we have to cross the line of footie opinions and end up insulting some of our lads. In a previous page I read a comment about Kuyt serving better the club dead than injured, for instance, which I simply hope it's some lost in translation I didn't get, because I think that can't be said even as a joke. It's not necessary all that to say you don't like a player -- you, especifically don't do that, for instance.

We always have a Traoré, a Zenden, a Kuyt that pays all the broken dishes and all the frustrations, and it's not fair.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:13 pm

whats so amazing about getting excited only after the manure win? we've not impressed otherwise. yeah we've won or drew or are still unbeaten whatever way you wanna put it but our play is rubbish. a win is a win but dont get carried away with it. in fact, im hoping Arsenal comes over soon and give us a trashing to wake some of you people up who think ''playing sh!t and winning games is the mark of champions'' or ''we are still unbeaten''.

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