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by **maguskwt** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:46 pm

watchi this video and ask yourselves what happened to this kuyt?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaOdU4bx3UM

the scoring ability is there... he's just having a rough season that's all...

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:04 pm

maguskwt wrote:
s@int wrote:Kuyts lack of pace allowed Richards and Dunne to spend all their time marking Torres, knowing if Kuyt got the ball they would have plenty of time before Kuyt got off his shot. Dunne had time to light a cig before tackling Kuyt.

that's a bit of an exaggeration mate... Torres didn't have a good game end of story... he couldn't run pass dunne even when 1 on 1... how is that Kuyt's fault?... Kuyt was even more involved in the city game than torres... he was the one that's tackling and winning the balls from the opponents and helping the team put pressure on them...

people keep saying that kuyt lacks pace... he's not the fastest but he's not the the slowest either... he has average pace... no more no less that's it... if you wanna talk about a player who lacks pace, talk about crouch, now he is half as fast as kuyt...

Its not just that Kuyt couldn't beat my grandmother in a race (and she's been dead 20 years) but he has no anticipation, makes no intelligent movements in the box to create space and he takes an age to set himself for a shot.

Torres had a bad game, all players do, its just that I would like to see Kuyt HAVE A GOOD GAME NOW AND THEN.

I am not condeming Kuyt for how he played against City, I am condeming him for how he's played since we bought him. I was willing to give him a chance after last season, hoped he would settle and improve. He has shown no improvement, just got worse.

I can't remember seeing a striker with less goalthreat than Dirk, and I have seen Mad Eric and Shaun (i'm faster than Owen) Dundee. I would honestly swop him for Heskey in a heartbeat.

Basically he's just not good enough for Liverpool fc, He's a nice bloke and he works very hard, but he doesn't create or score enough goals.

He's scored 3 goals this season, 2 penalties and one off his knee when he was too slow to get out of the way. If you think he's going to get enough goals to fire us to the title, I think you are fooling yourself.

by **holylamb2006** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:19 am

Yep doesnt cut it for me but i still think him and Crouch can finish Wigan off ...

surely

by **The_Rock** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:32 am

Think its time to drop kuyt to the reserves and see if he can score goals there....

If he still doesn't score goals there......somethings wrong with the dutch league..

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:35 am

The posters who are sticking up for Kuyt are showing admirable loyalty, but it really is high time that people just started to believe their eyes. Even if we accept that Kuyt is suffering a lack of confidence and is capable of much better than he is showing at the moment (I accept both premises FWIW) it must surely be obvious that he isn't up to the standard required for a team to win the Premier League in England. You don't do that when one of your two strikers doesn't score or make any goals. Footballs actually quite a simple game when you really look at it, and I'm afraid in the case of Dirk he simply isn't anywhere near good enough.

by **whylongball?** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:23 am

i used to support Kuyt but his performance of late has been shitty.
there are some reasons i could think of...
1.His strong(not necessarily great) points are actually about getting in to the position and powerful shots. However, deployed as second striker he cant use those weapons so he has little to offer now. This is Rafa fault..no? I think Torres could play as 2nd striker, support other strikers and still score himself...
2.He kind of lose a little bit of pace recently which makes him looks worse cos he is not even fast at his peak. This surely affects his finishing, and even his touch.
When you are not fit, you look :censored:

on the field. This is certainly the case for Kuyt now....Rafa should really drop him and play Crouch, and why :censored:

not?

by **kazza** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:14 am

maguskwt wrote:watchi this video and ask yourselves what happened to this kuyt?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaOdU4bx3UM

the scoring ability is there... he's just having a rough season that's all...

This is the point. He does his role very well but is missing the finish (confidence), you do not have to be fast to score goals (Shearer) you just have to play your position well, which he does.

His dad died of Cancer at the beginning of the season and his confidence is shot. He still gives 110% and "FANS" are calling him sh1t.

I thought we were Liverpool and not Chelsea.

:no

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:23 am

Against City he was even marking Petrov, how the feck is he supposed to score goals when he is told to defend more than attack?

I really feel sorry for the fella.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:27 am

you do not have to be fast to score goals (Shearer) you just have to play your position well, which he does.

Unfortunately he doesnt play his position well, infact I'd say he's average at the very best. Your certainly right its not all about pace as Shearer was a perfect example. But there is simply no comparison infront of goal between Shearer and Kuyt.

So from that we know his finnishing is poor, I wouldnt say its soley confidence. More like desperacy thats hindered Kuyts efforts. Blackburn being the perfect example, whatever his goals ratio isnt good enough for LFC.

Also his alround play is again average at best, his touch is terrible. He can control a ball further than I can kick it. His positioning again is poor, and certainly doesnt have the instinct or the movement that Alan Shearer had inside the box. His heading is average, he is slow, cant take a man on, doesnt have vision all in all he's a workhorse nothing more.

I'm sorry his Dad passed away, and he does seem like a really decent guy, hats off to him for that.

But this isnt a charity we're running here.

by **kazza** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:43 am

Ciggy wrote:Against City he was even marking Petrov, how the feck is he supposed to score goals when he is told to defend more than attack?

I really feel sorry for the fella.

Due to his fantastic workrate he still manages to get a couple of chances a game which unfortunately he is not taking due to bad finishing.

Thing is "finish" is a mental thing, you must have confidence and if you do not you will look ordinary. Owen and Fowler had spells where they could not finish and it generally was a time where they had personal problems. It does not mean that he will never be a good player or "will never be good enough for the premiership" (one of the more idiotic statement I have heard). If you do things right, which he does, it will come good.

He needs support from the fans.

by **kazza** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:50 am

Bamaga man wrote:
you do not have to be fast to score goals (Shearer) you just have to play your position well, which he does.

Unfortunately he doesnt play his position well, infact I'd say he's average at the very best. Your certainly right its not all about pace as Shearer was a perfect example. But there is simply no comparison infront of goal between Shearer and Kuyt.

So from that we know his finnishing is poor, I wouldnt say its soley confidence. More like desperacy thats hindered Kuyts efforts. Blackburn being the perfect example, whatever his goals ratio isnt good enough for LFC.

Also his alround play is again average at best, his touch is terrible. He can control a ball further than I can kick it. His positioning again is poor, and certainly doesnt have the instinct or the movement that Alan Shearer had inside the box. His heading is average, he is slow, cant take a man on, doesnt have vision all in all he's a workhorse nothing more.

I'm sorry his Dad passed away, and he does seem like a really decent guy, hats off to him for that.

But this isnt a charity we're running here.

It seems that you read more posts than watch games.

In my opinion what you say in no more than 20% accurate but you are entitled to your opinion.

By the way, I do not think he plays like Shearer I just said you do not have to be fast to score goals.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:51 am

player started games goals games per goal avg.
(less is better)
Kuyt 54 21 2.6
Crouch 83 35 2.4
Baros 66 27 2.4
Cisse 43 24 1.8
Owen 267 158 1.7
Fowler 309 183 1.7
Torres 19 15 1.3

I have used starts rather than appearances, maybe I could have used mins played instead.

by **LegBarnes** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:55 am

kazza wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
you do not have to be fast to score goals (Shearer) you just have to play your position well, which he does.

Unfortunately he doesnt play his position well, infact I'd say he's average at the very best. Your certainly right its not all about pace as Shearer was a perfect example. But there is simply no comparison infront of goal between Shearer and Kuyt.

So from that we know his finnishing is poor, I wouldnt say its soley confidence. More like desperacy thats hindered Kuyts efforts. Blackburn being the perfect example, whatever his goals ratio isnt good enough for LFC.

Also his alround play is again average at best, his touch is terrible. He can control a ball further than I can kick it. His positioning again is poor, and certainly doesnt have the instinct or the movement that Alan Shearer had inside the box. His heading is average, he is slow, cant take a man on, doesnt have vision all in all he's a workhorse nothing more.

I'm sorry his Dad passed away, and he does seem like a really decent guy, hats off to him for that.

But this isnt a charity we're running here.

It seems that you read more posts than watch games.

In my opinion what you say in no more than 20% accurate but you are entitled to your opinion.

By the way, I do not think he plays like Shearer I just said you do not have to be fast to score goals.

yes i agree u dont have to be fast to score goals but you do need to know how to finish to score goals and kuyt dont know how to finish me thinks (i could finish better then he can 4 real).

by **kazza** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:02 am

s@int wrote:player started games goals games per goal avg.
(less is better)
Kuyt 54 21 2.6
Crouch 83 35 2.4
Baros 66 27 2.4
Cisse 43 24 1.8
Owen 267 158 1.7
Fowler 309 183 1.7
Torres 19 15 1.3

I have used starts rather than appearances, maybe I could have used mins played instead.

No doubt we need more goals for him. He does more than score goals however.

As funny as it may sound, how many clean sheets have we kept when he plays, or more importantly how many games have we won when he plays because goals do not really tell the full story.

Goes back to that creative number ten thing (ie different style of playing). Kuyt is playing like Rafa wants but without the finish.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:09 am

kazza wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
you do not have to be fast to score goals (Shearer) you just have to play your position well, which he does.

Unfortunately he doesnt play his position well, infact I'd say he's average at the very best. Your certainly right its not all about pace as Shearer was a perfect example. But there is simply no comparison infront of goal between Shearer and Kuyt.

So from that we know his finnishing is poor, I wouldnt say its soley confidence. More like desperacy thats hindered Kuyts efforts. Blackburn being the perfect example, whatever his goals ratio isnt good enough for LFC.

Also his alround play is again average at best, his touch is terrible. He can control a ball further than I can kick it. His positioning again is poor, and certainly doesnt have the instinct or the movement that Alan Shearer had inside the box. His heading is average, he is slow, cant take a man on, doesnt have vision all in all he's a workhorse nothing more.

I'm sorry his Dad passed away, and he does seem like a really decent guy, hats off to him for that.

But this isnt a charity we're running here.

It seems that you read more posts than watch games.

In my opinion what you say in no more than 20% accurate but you are entitled to your opinion.

By the way, I do not think he plays like Shearer I just said you do not have to be fast to score goals.

No I watch enough games thanks, and it has nothing to do with "reading posts" I form my own opinion. Infact if your read more posts you'd know that this time last year I was saying the exact same thing about him, I started a thread title 'Kuyt the workhorse but is he anything else'. A year on and the answer to that is NO.

He's played for us, for nearly two seasons now. And I have seen enough of him to know he quite simply isnt good enough

If your happy watching mediocre performances from him after one game after another, then it can be easily assumed your quite happy for fourth spot.

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