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by **drummerphil** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:13 pm

MudFace wrote:
madred wrote:Lets all praise Traore for the goaline clearance?? Lets not mention the greatest ever own goal i have ever witnessed. Also never mention the countless number of times he has made reckless tackles, been out of position and simply been one of the worst players i have ever witnessed to pull on a red shirt. I hope and pray that he never plays for Liverpool again as this guy can lose a game with 1 moment of madness.

what qualifies you to make such a harsh judgement on a player who helped us win the Champions League?
You probably think you can make a better coach than rafa,huh?

Traore has played well against tough opposition with skillful right wingers who would have made a fool of him if he were that bad.
If i remember correctly until recently(riise is in oustanding form),Rafa has played him in all the big matches and he has never disappointed in keeping the likes of c.ronaldo,duff,robben and even Real Betis' much talked about winger Joaquin,quiet during games.

Open your eyes sheep,Traore is still a valuable player for us IMOH

i see your still here spouting bóllocks,nancy boys has gone now and its only a matter of time before your sorry áss goes the same way you racist manc twát.

by **stmichael** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:16 pm

john craig wrote:3. Riise. The classic wing back, a decent left midfielder and a decent left back, but would ideally be suited to playing wing back. Defensively he's been dodgy in the past but he's improved that this season to be fair. Seems like he's established as the number 1 left back this season and I don't see that changing. Left back is not a problem position imo with Riise and Warnock on the books.

this is the point i was getting at john. he's definitely the best we have at the moment but like you say i think he's ideally suited to a wing back role. there have been a few times this season when he has got pulled all over the place defensively. also, i think he's too one dimensional to play left side of midfield on a regular basis.

by **Espionage** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:26 pm

MudFace wrote:
madred wrote:Lets all praise Traore for the goaline clearance?? Lets not mention the greatest ever own goal i have ever witnessed. Also never mention the countless number of times he has made reckless tackles, been out of position and simply been one of the worst players i have ever witnessed to pull on a red shirt. I hope and pray that he never plays for Liverpool again as this guy can lose a game with 1 moment of madness.

what qualifies you to make such a harsh judgement on a player who helped us win the Champions League?
You probably think you can make a better coach than rafa,huh?

Traore has played well against tough opposition with skillful right wingers who would have made a fool of him if he were that bad.
If i remember correctly until recently(riise is in oustanding form),Rafa has played him in all the big matches and he has never disappointed in keeping the likes of c.ronaldo,duff,robben and even Real Betis' much talked about winger Joaquin,quiet during games.

Open your eyes sheep,Traore is still a valuable player for us IMOH

A few good performances does not make up for the rest of the time him being sh#t.

Traore is a good tackler on his day, plain and simple. But at the best of times his distribution is mediocre and attacking threat non-existent.

To other premier league clubs he would be an asset, but for Liverpool who are trying to win arguably the toughest league in the world as well as the Champions league, he doesnt even warrant a spot on the bench.

anything else?
:shifty

by **ozi_wozzy** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:28 pm

i agree completely that traore had a very good form in the champs league run last year and he's tackling is better than riise but, riise has improved a lot and is definitely our best left back at the moment. we won the champion's league with the likes of smicer, traore and dudek, doesn't we got to get sentimental and give them all starting places (fowler is an exception..and anyway, he can probably teach morientes and cisse a thing or two about first touch and finishing off one on ones), it means we have to go forward and bring in top class players or more promising youngsters.

traore is a player more suited to bottom of the league, not premiership challengers. bring in wayne bridge as cover for riise i say.

i also agree that in most cases you either have it or you don't to become a good player, but there are exceptions to that rule either...finnan as the most improved player of the season?

by **drummerphil** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:34 pm

Traore is

end of...........i've said before after his first half display in Instanbul........he should never have played for us again.I cringed everytime the ball went to him.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:34 pm

I'm actually in something of a minority in that I think Riise is a really good player. He's a classic example of a player who because he's in most weeks, fans don't aprreciate. He's got a great shot on him, goes up and down all day and defends well in the main. He has got a tendency to dive in on occasions but other than that, I can't fault him really. With the exception of Ashley Cole obviously, he's as good as anything else in the Premiership in my opinion. Mourhinho paid 8 million for Del Horno who seems to me to be a poor mans Riise, so in my opinion we can put Riise down as being one og the few Houllier signings who is well worth the money.
As for Traore, I think we've done that one to death. I've a hunch that one day he may make a centre-half but that day isn't going to arrive soon enough to save his Liverpool career in all probability. I've stood up for him in the past but I was wrong. He isn't good enough.
Warnock puzzles me a bit. He is a player who is definately in posession of ability, and has a lovely sweet left-foot. His passing range is excellent for a full-back and he clearly has all the passion for the club in the World. Though I'd love him to succeed at Anfield he troubles me a bit positionally when he calls the "when to tuck in and when to push wide" dilemma wrong on too many occasions.
Full-back is a hard spot to play well and it demands maximum concentration at all times. Even when the ball is on the opposite wing, a good full back needs to positionally keep in contact with his adjacent centre-half and watch the opposition wide-man. Tuck in too much and the ball is crossed deep over his head and he's slated for "not marking" the winger who scores, (Crystal Palaces 2nd goal in the League Cup being a classic example). Don't tuck in enough and a breaking midfielder comes straight through the gap between centre-half and full-back and scores unopposed. Cue Andy Gray with his silly "Last Word" programme saying you should have tucked in more. It's a hard one to call consistently right, particularly as you can't see the ball and the bloke you are supposed to be watching at the same time. Tge very best in the World at it (Ashley Cole IMHO) does it by defending on the narrow side (near the centre half) nine times out of ten and relying on his pace to attone if the ball goes over him. It's a tightrope though and no full-back can afford to switch off and drift. Unfortunately, I think Warnocks tendancy to do this will ultimately prevent him from making it at the pinnacle of his profession.

by **Gaunt** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:44 pm

Riise i rate very highly, i think he is an underrated player. Defensively he may not be as solid as Finnan, Carra, Hyypia but i think he does his job most of the time, but he offers a lot going forward, contributes with goals and seems to be developing an understanding with Kewell.

Traore, the sooner we get rid the better imo.

Warnock, I'm going to say i don't rate Warnock long term and think we need a replacement, i know a lot of people say he is young and needs experience but he is 24 now i think, same age as traore and if he hasn't made it yet he won't. He is to me just an average enough player that makes mistakes, his positioning and decisions don't seem up to scratch, for example in the Pompey game in the FA cup his backpass to Reina without checking out the situation nearly gifting Pompey a goal, and then the bad header back to Reina later in the match again nearly costing us a goal but still you can't fault his commitment and he didn't seem to get rattled by the mistakes. He will do this season as he isn't a bad player but he isn't good enough for LFC in the long term imo.

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:45 pm

I want to give ya all a chance to convince me that Traore is such a bad player.

1.Give me three games this season or last he has played really badly.This should be easy coz he has made major blunders right?wrong!

2.When you guys say he has awful positioning,give me example of games he was found wanting.

I've tried to see as many liverpool games as i could this season.
So c'mon test me!

by **oakton** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:49 pm

didn't you watch the Bolton game?

by **stmichael** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:13 pm

traore's tackle on drogba for the penalty after giving the ball away in the 4-1 defeat at anfield tells you everything you need to know about the guy.

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:17 pm

oakton wrote:didn't you watch the Bolton game?

i watched the game with a group of footballers as a matter of fact.
He played ok in that game considering the fact he hasnt been playing...he nearly scored remember?
And that goal by diouf wasnt his mistake...
In the spurs game,thought riise was fried by jenna but i still think he can do a great job a left back;him and traore

Anyway you havent answered my post.

I wonder if you have seen the way sheep move around.They follow there leader in whatever direction he takes.Even down a cliff

Am saying, dont go saying things coz a certain member says them.Use your brain to make your own judgement.

Back to the serious posters.
Give me examples

by **Sabre** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:29 pm

I'm actually in something of a minority in that I think Riise is a really good player. He's a classic example of a player who because he's in most weeks, fans don't aprreciate. He's got a great shot on him, goes up and down all day and defends well in the main. He has got a tendency to dive in on occasions but other than that, I can't fault him really. With the exception of Ashley Cole obviously, he's as good as anything else in the Premiership in my opinion. Mourhinho paid 8 million for Del Horno who seems to me to be a poor mans Riise, so in my opinion we can put Riise down as being one og the few Houllier signings who is well worth the money.

I didn't know that we were a minority!. Riise has convinced me through out the time, I think he's a very valueable player. I preffer him as LB, defends ok, does forwards runs (otherwise we'd be wasting his stamina, good long shots, and not awful crossing). If he also had the dribbling and vision we'd be talking about a world class player!! but he's a very good player IMHO. Much more valuable than Del Horno is.

Del Horno is a Spanish Finnan, only that you put him more strength, and you remove Finnan's better touch of the ball. Del Horno is an excellent free kick shooter, but in a team like Chelsea, he'll never be allowed to throw free kicks, there are better players for that.

Del Horno makes harm also in corners as he usually goes to try the header and does this from time to time. He also throwed penalties for Athletic Bilbao, he scored them with a powerful shot.

I think he's a good defender, but 8M quid are WAY too much money for that, and if all judgement about him is done according to this numbers, he won't be ever rated.

I value that player, in fact, I can't think of a better LB for Spain in Germany, but the amounts of money paid for him are ridiculous.

--- My personal and probably wrong comparison

Stamina: Riise >>> Del Horno
Long Shots: Rise > Del Horno
Defending : Riise < Del Horno
Crossings : Riise > Del Horno
Useful in set pieces: Del Horno > Riise
Reaction : Del Horno > Riise

Reaction: the concept, of quickness in response, Del Horno is very good on that, it's very difficult to dribble him. How do you call this specific ability?

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:54 pm

MudFace wrote:I want to give ya all a chance to convince me that Traore is such a bad player.

1.Give me three games this season or last he has played really badly.This should be easy coz he has made major blunders right?wrong!

2.When you guys say he has awful positioning,give me example of games he was found wanting.

I've tried to see as many liverpool games as i could this season.
So c'mon test me!

I posted this ^ an hour ago and am leaving in 10 minutes or so.
So is it safe for me to assume that you have no case against traore and you'e just baaing?
Or are you searching google for traores faults

Riise aint the long term solution to the left back situation,Traore IS!...as rafa has indicated by giving him a new contract--------->END OF TOPIC.

by **Sabre** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:01 pm

Traore IS!...as rafa has indicated by giving him a new contract

You can't end a topic with a point that isn't good enough. Or hasn't been Riise offered to sign a new contract recently?

by **woof woof !** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:15 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:What situation ?

exactley .

With Riise ,Warnock and Traore our left back "situation" is hardly a priority on my list .
As someone pointed out (Stu the Red ?) unless we're gonna sign the likes of Ashley Cole then there's no point in looking at that position (for now at least)

I'm happy to see Warnock being given more opportunities , he's by no means the finished article but given the chance with experience the lad is gonna get better and better ,can see him one day making that position his very own .

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