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by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:50 am

i REALLY AM NOT FINDING THIS FUNNY LADS SORRY ,

nO TAKERS I SEE , DONT WORRY ILL WAIT ,

by **Ciggy** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:51 am

SeaofRed wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:So on that note id say NAH feck Sven off let him go an sort his SVEDISH hanling of birds somewhere else , I dont want him within a mile of our LIVERBIRD

Are you a member of the British National Party?

Svens white so I dont know what point your trying to make with that question

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:56 am

aND YET NO FEC.KER HAS GOT THE BOTTLE TO FRONT IT OUT WITH ME IN THE OPEN , QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS ARE ONE THING , AS I SAID IF ANYONE HAS GOT A PROBLEM .LETS GET IT OUT IN THE OPEN AY.

by **SeaofRed** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:06 pm

Ciggy wrote:Svens white so I dont know what point your trying to make with that question

I asked it for a laugh, a sh!t and a gag, clearly it has been taken out of context and for that I pledge a Gordon Brown styled apology.

Nanny Red seems like a good woman with an open mind, but I got the impression this dear, dear woman was a tad bit xenophobic, first she has nothing but support for the burning of the American flag and secondly she brings up Sven's nationality which tars all Swedes with the same brush and this bring back painful memories for me. I went out with a Swedish girl who left me for another man.

by **andy_g** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:14 pm

from now on everyone will be known as 'earth person' so as not to touch any sensitive little nerves that get all itchy when someones nationality is mentioned.

i.e. those howwible earth people twit and twát, that earth person sven, etc etc...

the martians are right kunts though.

by **crazyhorse** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:15 pm

Some varying opinions here..

I personally think that a manager in the same class as a Hiddink, Moureen, Fergie ect ect may well be a hard thing to attract, given the current situation with the finances. To an outsider we are a club in crisis, our best players are either unsettled, the wrong side of 30 or both and to really challenge we would need big spending. It is also MHO that just to match our immediate competition we would need to be spending circa 50 million.

There is also the fact that the income stream from CL revenue is not there.

My heart tells me that Kenny would be perfect. But he has long been out of the sharp end of the game, has seen and done it all, so would he have the hunger he used to? That he would be with us may make the difference but this is a different game entirely to when he won the double in the 80s.

Keegan for me is also a prospect worth thinking about. At the very least he would have us playing some attacking attractive football, and maybe he has learned and become a better tactical man over the last few years. But he would be a gamble.

The name that keeps sticking in my mind, and my throat is Martin O'Neil. He has a proven track record of producing results on small budgets. He has a habit of getting the very best out of his players. Tactically he is all there and he has a very good record when it comes to buying players. He has taken chances on younger players such as Milner and improved them. Most of all his teams all seem the play good football, and play in the right spirit which is important to our club and its tradition. It is a well known fact that he has not got the best relationship with his chairman, and has made it clear he wants money to invest. I think he would leave Villa for us.

Villa over the last few seasons have made steady improvements year on year with a squad you could say is somewhat inferior to ours. He is my man for the job. The challenge would be very attractive to him and he has never failed at any club (remember what he did at wycombe?). Out of all the managers out there he would offer the best guarentee of success with the resources we have.

Oh and Nanny, your comment did not offend me at all!!! it seemed quite mild actually!

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:15 pm

I went out with a Swedish girl who left me for another man.

OH AN THATS MY FECKING FAULT IS IT, IM BEGINING TO FEEL LIKE RAFA HERE .

Ive stated my case for the flag thing in either the flag thread or them two bas.tards thread , an yes i stand by every fecking word ive said. no apologies from me on that score

Second . what the feckinhell has Sven got to do with me being racist by calling him SVEDISH.

by **tubby** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:21 pm

SeaofRed wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Svens white so I dont know what point your trying to make with that question

I asked it for a laugh, a sh!t and a gag, clearly it has been taken out of context and for that I pledge a Gordon Brown styled apology.

Nanny Red seems like a good woman with an open mind, but I got the impression this dear, dear woman was a tad bit xenophobic, first she has nothing but support for the burning of the American flag and secondly she brings up Sven's nationality which tars all Swedes with the same brush and this bring back painful memories for me. I went out with a Swedish girl who left me for another man.

Shes as good as gold.

Met her for a drink a few times at games and not a bad bone in her body. :;):

by **Effes** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:24 pm

dawson99 wrote:Masher to be at Liverpool next season:
Yes 6/4
No 1/2

If you fancy a holiday this year, that maybe you weren't going to go on - put a wedge on this.

In fact, more than a wedge.

Mascher is going.

by **Penguins** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:26 pm

Owzat wrote:
john craig wrote:
Scottbot wrote:Can't get over the absolute assumption by so many posters in here that if Rafa had stayed on that:

A/ all our top players would have stayed. Apparently it was a given they would have?

B/ He was gonna turn around a seemingly baffled dressing room that had lost all confidence in his and their own ability to perform at the highest level?

please stop posting as if these were facts.

Bottom line for me: If we had a normal ownership scenario (ie. not complete c....u....n...t...s) and it was purely down to footballing/transfer reasons. Rafa deserved to go. Simple as.

I'm nervous as fook he's gone because I don't trust the owners and the fire sale they may be planning but speaking PURELY from a football perspective. We needed a new manager.

Sums up my thoughts too mate.

Agree with what Scott says and more that he doesn't, like how Rafa has no money yet spends near £40m a season or more on players, how "net spend" gets dragged into debates even when money isn't mentioned when it is about football and what players we have to use, not whether the club is making a profit or loss, and various other arguments that have little foundation but are standardly offered as arguments without the "proof" as it were or "backing evidence" itself having any "backing evidence" like the use of the word "fact" without any to justify its use.

Another is that an incoming manager couldn't possibly do better with the same resources. Look at this XI and tell me that with the sale of players not listed that the club couldn't compete at the same level it has in the past

GK Reina
RB Johnson
LB Insua
CB Carragher
CB Agger
RM Rodriguez
LM Benayoun
CM Lucas
CM Aquilani
CF Kuyt
CF Torres

With the sales of players not included, players like Gerrard, Babel, Mascherano, Riera and Skrtel, sold so that a substantial transfer fund could improve that XI (and the squad) to a competitive level. That is with a manager who doesn't waste money and with some tactical ability that could get the best out of what is already a decent enough XI. Sure you'd want to sign a LB, CM and CF but with the sales money you could well buy more than just that. I sometimes wonder if our scouting network exists, or if Rafa doesn't ignore them.

Rafa is excused way too much on these boards, it was a poor display and the squad we have should have done a lot better. Only SEVEN points off finishing fourth, yet dropping points at home to villa, Fulham, brum and citeh, away to Wolves, relegated pompey and Hull, Stoke, Sunderland (the beachball scored, we didn't in 85+ minutes thereafter), Wigan and Blackburn. Surely our squad/team is better than those kind of results would suggest? We missed Torres fair enough, but Rafa should have spent some or most of his £37.5m he spent on Johnson and Aquailani on replacing Keane.

Rafa had way too many weaknesses to be excused blame which is passed over to everyone's hate - the owners. Is it their fault Rafa plays zonal marking, two DMs, is negative in mindset, didn't spend wisely what money he had, makes substitutions after the 66th minute and generally either ineffective or inexplicable etc? I'm sure we could all write a dissertation on Rafa's flaws, even in the season we finished second or when we won the Champions League - don't forget that was thanks to a disputed goal, three goals in a short spell having been 0-3 down and of course to the lottery that is penalties. Did Rafa mastermind the whole thing or did he rely on player inspiration from the likes of Gerrard when the chips were down? As indeed he did in the FA Cup final.

Only ONCE in six seasons did we win more than five league games in a row, you'll never win a league title that way. My hope for the new manager is man marking, 4-4-2 or at least not two DMs, sensible selection when choosing who to stay and who to go and most importantly a more attacking approach looking to win games and not to avoid losing them. I don't even believe we need wholesale changes, I think an improvement in managerial approach will make up some ground and a handful of changes could do the rest.

Rafa came in and saw Owen depart, don't believe that the same mightn't happen again with a big name player. We survived and didn't even make a big profit out of that sale. Personally I think Rafa should have kept Owen, maybe the CL win and a better league position thanks to his retention would have persuaded him to sign a new contract. One more season out of our top scorer and key striker, or £8m - no contest in my book. His contract should never have been allowed to run that short, then again Houllier was retained one season too long.

I swear you are going to go back to that summer 2007 for an eternity claiming we spend 40 million each summer. :no

Since we have spent 0 since then I know you are full of ****.

That is a fact compared to the utter nonsense you try to put forward as gospel...

I can't understand that so many people think that if Rafa left

a) Torres, Gerrard, Masch etc would stay. Like the owners won't have a bigger say in their resoning? Baffling...

b) the road to a league title challenge would be open and with a "real" manager that will all change now.

Well, now we will see if that will happen and who will be right.
Sucke**.

:no

by **lakes10** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:30 pm

NANNY RED wrote:I went out with a Swedish girl who left me for another man.

OH AN THATS MY FECKING FAULT IS IT, IM BEGINING TO FEEL LIKE RAFA HERE .

Ive stated my case for the flag thing in either the flag thread or them two bas.tards thread , an yes i stand by every fecking word ive said. no apologies from me on that score

Second . what the feckinhell has Sven got to do with me being racist by calling him SVEDISH.

Nan don't rise to it, You know i take stick on here all the time, yes you feel strong in your views.
some members take things the wrong way and that will always happen on forums.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:35 pm

NANNY RED wrote:i REALLY AM NOT FINDING THIS FUNNY LADS SORRY ,

nO TAKERS I SEE , DONT WORRY ILL WAIT ,

why dont you just shut the hell up and stop derailing the thread with your tantrums. you're behaving like an attention-seeking kid right now. if you have an issue, take it elsewhere.

if you wanna abuse a manager, no need to bring up his nationality like SeaofRed has said as it generalizes every Swede, or at least it gives an IMPRESSION that you do.

now, im not gonna say anything further, but grow up. you can have the last word woman.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:35 pm

crazyhorse wrote:Some varying opinions here..

I personally think that a manager in the same class as a Hiddink, Moureen, Fergie ect ect may well be a hard thing to attract, given the current situation with the finances. To an outsider we are a club in crisis, our best players are either unsettled, the wrong side of 30 or both and to really challenge we would need big spending. It is also MHO that just to match our immediate competition we would need to be spending circa 50 million.

There is also the fact that the income stream from CL revenue is not there.

My heart tells me that Kenny would be perfect. But he has long been out of the sharp end of the game, has seen and done it all, so would he have the hunger he used to? That he would be with us may make the difference but this is a different game entirely to when he won the double in the 80s.

Keegan for me is also a prospect worth thinking about. At the very least he would have us playing some attacking attractive football, and maybe he has learned and become a better tactical man over the last few years. But he would be a gamble.

The name that keeps sticking in my mind, and my throat is Martin O'Neil. He has a proven track record of producing results on small budgets. He has a habit of getting the very best out of his players. Tactically he is all there and he has a very good record when it comes to buying players. He has taken chances on younger players such as Milner and improved them. Most of all his teams all seem the play good football, and play in the right spirit which is important to our club and its tradition. It is a well known fact that he has not got the best relationship with his chairman, and has made it clear he wants money to invest. I think he would leave Villa for us.

Villa over the last few seasons have made steady improvements year on year with a squad you could say is somewhat inferior to ours. He is my man for the job. The challenge would be very attractive to him and he has never failed at any club (remember what he did at wycombe?). Out of all the managers out there he would offer the best guarentee of success with the resources we have.

Oh and Nanny, your comment did not offend me at all!!! it seemed quite mild actually!

I forgot about this fella , good young and up and coming manager, yes i know hes just signed a new contract extension. but i think he could be tempted . especialy with our Top Spanish lads . it might keep them happy an all, Worth a shout in my opinion .

Liverpool should consider Quique Sanchez Flores

So what`s next for Liverpool?

I`ve been receiving a lot of emails from readers on this site asking for my thoughts on who should replace Rafa Benitez at Anfield. I`ve got to be honest, it`s a scenario I didn`t really want to be speculating upon as my opinion that Rafa deserved a lot more credit for his work at Liverpool - and my belief that he should have been allowed to continue in the face of very difficult circumstances at the club - has been well documented throughout. My views have not changed on that matter.

But, if you are asking me for my personal opinion as to who would make a strong candidate to bring stability to the club, then I would have to suggest that Quique Sanchez Flores – the Atletico Madrid coach – ticks far more boxes than many other names out there, in my opinion. At 45 years of age he is a rare combination of youth and energy combined with experience (including at a big club, Valencia, where he oversaw two successive qualifications for the Champions League and took the club to a quarter final), he has experienced management overseas (Benfica), he is incredibly bright, is excellent in dealing with players and in building strong relationships, tactically very astute and – perhaps most importantly – is very good at turning things around, as he has done at Atletico Madrid. He would have no problem working with Liverpool`s back room staff – many of whom are Spanish and, what Anfield needs right now is evolution not revolution on the playing side. He would understand the systems in place while introducing his own ideas that would enable Liverpool to play the typically non-English football style that the fans crave. And he also speaks English.

Sanchez Flores did agree a one-year extension to his contract at Atletico Madrid very recently, but the lure of taking charge at Liverpool would prove too strong to turn down.

You only have to look at the fantastic job he has done in a short space of time at Atletico to see that he has the credentials to solve many of Liverpool`s problems: he took charge at the Vicente Calderon on a short-term basis in October 2009, filling the vacancy created by Abel Resino`s sacking. He inherited a struggling, lethargic, inconsistent club punching well below their weight with the threat of relegation on the horizon and was able to oversee a remarkable reversal in fortune, restoring belief and consistency to the side.

Atletico ended up reaching two cup finals under his guidance: ironically, beating both Liverpool and Fulham (Roy Hodgson another name linked with the Liverpool job) to win the Europa League, Atletico`s first major trophy since 1996.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:49 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:i REALLY AM NOT FINDING THIS FUNNY LADS SORRY ,

nO TAKERS I SEE , DONT WORRY ILL WAIT ,

why dont you just shut the hell up and stop derailing the thread with your tantrums. you're behaving like an attention-seeking kid right now. if you have an issue, take it elsewhere.

if you wanna abuse a manager, no need to bring up his nationality like SeaofRed has said as it generalizes every Swede, or at least it gives an IMPRESSION that you do.

now, im not gonna say anything further, but grow up. you can have the last word woman.

Sorry kid and thats what you are but you have just made a fecking show of yourself,

Sven is Svedish Fact .Its most prob even written on his birth certificate. So what else would you like me to call him then.

The little fella who wears stacks with receding hair and bins to make himself look big from scandinavia. behave yourself Maxi . you know aswell as i do that your jumping on other peoples bandwagon here . I think i had a right to ask a question why seaofred though i was a member of the BNP, The question was asked in this thread , so you want me to ignore what a poster is thinking i am.
And please tell me where i have abused him .

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