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by **Owzat** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:23 pm

stmichael wrote:Honestly, can somebody tell me where this Roy Hodgson love in has come from? He's had one half decent season in a Cup competition where they significantly overachieved. His side finished below Stoke and Blackburn last season and could barely buy a point away from home.

Makes me sick, I think he could be a step down from Rafa which is going some.

It's because Fulham are traditionally viewed as a nothing side 'doing well just to be here' and because they had a decent run in the Euro Disney then Woy got VOTED manager of the season. Besides his terrible away record, he did FA in except in Europe and even sides like boro, Rangers and celtic have done that now that competition has been stripped of any quality. Says it all that we had a cr ap season yet could easily have reached the final or won it!

The reason is people don't look at things objectively, a lot don't like stats and prefer 'facts' that aren't really facts, just opinion dressed up as 'facts'. For instance the rating of the leprechaun who did well at Leicester, did nothing more than expected at celtic and has limped over the finishing line sixth ahead of a Liverpool side shooting itself in the foot every step stumble of the way. Considering he's spent way more at villa than at Leicester he's finished a couple of places higher. Of course he has a love affair with the league cup which is disregarded by a lot of (top) sides, but consider that one side he beat in the league cup final was TRANMERE then it sums up that 'achievement'

I'd rather we plucked someone doing a good job in a foreign league, not necessarily in most people's thoughts for the job, but like Rafa was before he came here. Just need to bring one here with more attacking intent, we might lose games but at least we'd try to win and that's what's needed to win the league and why I doubt Rafa would ever win it. Just can't see Rafa going for it enough to win it, hence why we ended with dull draws at Blackburn, Wolves, Stoke, Brum............... Only needed SEVEN more points to finish fourth, but the way Rafa plays in his "cool, calculating fashion" we're never adventurous enough to gamble draws into wins.

The mancs and Chelsea drew less games overall than we drew away from home. Being much more attacking didn't give their opposition much chance to grind out a result.

And you'll not be shocked to hear the side that won the league got the 27 wins I often quote as required (well I quote 27+ but 27 still meets the standard and has since 03/04)

by **stmichael** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:25 pm

laza wrote:For Rafa its different, as Bav said one poor season and level of hate has been frankly quite amazing.

but it wasn't just one bad season. he won two trophies four years ago luckily on penalties with an inherited side. and even then it was down to gerrard not the manager obviously. i don't even know why we bothered having a manager in those games. it was all down to gerrard blah blah blah.

by **Reg** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:25 pm

mkingdom wrote:Dalglish seems the logical choice, (I didn't say best), but one saving grace is the respect that Torres and Gerrard have for him may encourage them to stick around for a year until we oust the Yank muppets, and get an owner that we don't want to set on fire.

You're dreaming mate, Kenny is a shadow of his former self.

A manager has to lead from the front, inspire, come up with the vision and foresight to create a strategy, attract the players, convince them his strategy is right and get them to rise to the challenge. Kenny is not that man.

Lovely guy, but not the right man.

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:27 pm

Ciggy wrote:Thommo is coming on now http://www.talksport.net/mediapl....roll=on

shyte - missed that...what'd he say ?

by **mkingdom** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:27 pm

Reg wrote:
mkingdom wrote:Dalglish seems the logical choice, (I didn't say best), but one saving grace is the respect that Torres and Gerrard have for him may encourage them to stick around for a year until we oust the Yank muppets, and get an owner that we don't want to set on fire.

You're dreaming mate, Kenny is a shadow of his former self.

A manager has to lead from the front, inspire, come up with the vision and foresight to create a strategy, attract the players, convince them his strategy is right and get them to rise to the challenge. Kenny is not that man.

Lovely guy, but not the right man.

I made no endorsement of the move. In fact I thought I'd made that clear...but obviously not....

I simply said it made the most sense for the owners/board to do this.

by **Owzat** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:27 pm

bavlondon wrote:This is all irrelevant as the real problem is the owners. Supposing we manage to convince another decent continental manager to step in. What are we going to buy new players with? Magic beans?

Poppycock, all relevant. I haven't mentioned Rafa spend - deliberately. He still managed to buy around £40m or more on players last two seasons, the problem is LFC fans are now drilled in trotting out the same "lack of money" and "net spend" bull that you'd think he should expect £100m a season minimum.

Of course "net spend" is the answer to your question, you sell players and buy players with that money. The problem is Rafa spent it poorly, £20m on an injured CM he won't play, £17.5m on a RB when one 1/4 of the price would have done, £20.3m on a failed striker he sold back within six months etc.

But carry on blaming the owners entirely, must be a lot of sand going down your nostrils with your head buried in it

by **chitammuort** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:28 pm

news?
I'm a Inter fan from Italy

by **jonsnow** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:28 pm

absolutely gutted, really think we could have won the league with Rafa next season, we looked so good and the plyers were trying there bestest

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:29 pm

jonsnow wrote:absolutely gutted, really think we could have won the league with Rafa next season, we looked so good and the plyers were trying there bestest

Thought Dawson had changed his mind again then when i seen this

by **dawson99** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:30 pm

LOL..I'd never write that!!!

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:30 pm

chitammuort wrote:news?
I'm a Inter fan from Italy

No harm, but you've the internet. F*cking use it and stop hovering over LFC forums like a f*cking vulture. Some of us are actually a bit depressed, you know. DO ONE!

by **Redman in wales** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:33 pm

dawson99 wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Without Rafa we wouldn't even have gotten players like Torres, Pepe, Xabi or Mascherano and people think we are better off without him?

We could also say we wouldnt have had players like :

Keane, Morientez, Pennant, Babel, (there are a lot more bad than good players dude)

you could also say that without Houlier we wouldn't have had Hyypia, Hamann or Henchoz.

by **Owzat** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:33 pm

laza wrote:Yeah stats are great but I really dont see how you compare this decade to the 90s. Whether people like or not big money that bankrolled Chelsea and now Man City makes for far different landscape then one Roy or Souness were operating in.

I thanked Ged for the treble but was happy to see how him as go as it was obivous we could no further with him in charge
For Rafa its different, as Bav said one poor season and level of hate has been frankly quite amazing.
I really do think this will take us further away from Holy Grail if/when he does go.

I didn't at any point compare the 90s, I merely highlighted how long the four Premiership era managers got. The point about money was that the face of football and spending had changed, we'd been patient too long while football changed.

If six seasons of getting nowhere near the holy grail persuades you that Rafa is the man, especially as most on here bitch 24/7 that he has no money, then I despair.

In a few year's time the conclusion you drew on Houllier will be the same as Rafa. Sure we had a decent 08/09 but it papered over gaping holes let alone cracks, aided by red cards, late winners and a run in that kept the gap between us and the mancs look like we ran them close.

But the season was lost in two months with too many draws, showing the limitation of Rafa who can't sustain a winning run for any length of time. I believe 05/06 was the last time we won more than five league games in a row, we need to win 27+ and won't do that playing in Rafa's style. Two DMs and only one striker (at the club) sums Rafa up

by **Ben Patrick** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:35 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
chitammuort wrote:news?
I'm a Inter fan from Italy

No harm, but you've the internet. F*cking use it and stop hovering over LFC forums like a f*cking vulture. Some of us are actually a bit depressed, you know. DO ONE!

Bit harsh.

Some of us arent depressed by the manager leaving either.

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:36 pm

stmichael wrote:Honestly, can somebody tell me where this Roy Hodgson love in has come from? He's had one half decent season in a Cup competition where they significantly overachieved. His side finished below Stoke and Blackburn last season and could barely buy a point away from home.

Aye, the Mighty Roy Hodgson - conquerer of....well...f*ck all, really. We get him, watch us drop like a tonne of sh*te right down the f*cking table and stay there while playing 'park the bus' and hoof the ball. Oh, and watch Torres get replaced by the mercurial Bobby Zamora up top. F*ck my life!

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