redhayesy wrote:i still want to hear from people on here who thinkl the likes of Lucas is still brilliant for us, who still think he is worthy of a regular place,who still sl@g roy off as being out of his depth like me, but still think it was alright for raffa to stick by him!
stmichael wrote:Probably the worst display I've seen in 15 years, which is saying a lot considering the dross we've been served up for most of this season.
And you know the worst thing for me?It wasn't even the game. It was the complete apathy which greeted the final whistle. There was hardly any anger, just pure resignation.
redhayesy wrote:i still want to hear from people on here who thinkl the likes of Lucas is still brilliant for us, who still think he is worthy of a regular place,who still sl@g roy off as being out of his depth like me, but still think it was alright for raffa to stick by him!
7_Kewell wrote:stmichael wrote:Probably the worst display I've seen in 15 years, which is saying a lot considering the dross we've been served up for most of this season.
And you know the worst thing for me?It wasn't even the game. It was the complete apathy which greeted the final whistle. There was hardly any anger, just pure resignation.
first time i've never heard YWNA at the end of a game
stmichael wrote:redhayesy wrote:i still want to hear from people on here who thinkl the likes of Lucas is still brilliant for us, who still think he is worthy of a regular place,who still sl@g roy off as being out of his depth like me, but still think it was alright for raffa to stick by him!
He was our best player AGAIN.
Ok that isn't saying much considering we were diabolical but he was the only player to constantly show for the ball.
It also helps that he was the only midfielder we had out there who was playing in his proper position (cheers roy).
redhayesy wrote:stmichael wrote:redhayesy wrote:i still want to hear from people on here who thinkl the likes of Lucas is still brilliant for us, who still think he is worthy of a regular place,who still sl@g roy off as being out of his depth like me, but still think it was alright for raffa to stick by him!
He was our best player AGAIN.
Ok that isn't saying much considering we were diabolical but he was the only player to constantly show for the ball.
It also helps that he was the only midfielder we had out there who was playing in his proper position (cheers roy).
totally dis-agree mate. NO player played well tonight,but my point is this,cause he didn't have any ones hand to hold tonight, he sh1t out! end of, he just played the fecking way he's always played for us since he joined.
when the going gets tough in midfield al he does when he get's the ball is play it sideways,one tap mate thats all he does,he doesn't dictact any play he relys on the likes of stevie to bail him out,time & time again.
please mate watch not only tonights game,but previous games this season,thats my judgement on him & opinion. when the team are playing well the likes of Lucas get credit-fine by me, but like i have said in many a disscusion on here,when the team need to fight & battle to win the ball to create chances for the fowards -he is out of his depth & all he does is give away silly,stupid free kicks like he did tonight & in previous games throughout his playing days in a red shirt.
btw stevie played in his proper posistion tonight(cheers roy) but yet again found himself chasing back gaps or posistions that the oppo players got into thanks to the likes of Lucas not being disciplined enough to know how to break up the play in the first place!- hence let stevie create chances for torres & ngog end of.
metalhead wrote:redhayesy wrote:stmichael wrote:redhayesy wrote:i still want to hear from people on here who thinkl the likes of Lucas is still brilliant for us, who still think he is worthy of a regular place,who still sl@g roy off as being out of his depth like me, but still think it was alright for raffa to stick by him!
He was our best player AGAIN.
Ok that isn't saying much considering we were diabolical but he was the only player to constantly show for the ball.
It also helps that he was the only midfielder we had out there who was playing in his proper position (cheers roy).
totally dis-agree mate. NO player played well tonight,but my point is this,cause he didn't have any ones hand to hold tonight, he sh1t out! end of, he just played the fecking way he's always played for us since he joined.
when the going gets tough in midfield al he does when he get's the ball is play it sideways,one tap mate thats all he does,he doesn't dictact any play he relys on the likes of stevie to bail him out,time & time again.
please mate watch not only tonights game,but previous games this season,thats my judgement on him & opinion. when the team are playing well the likes of Lucas get credit-fine by me, but like i have said in many a disscusion on here,when the team need to fight & battle to win the ball to create chances for the fowards -he is out of his depth & all he does is give away silly,stupid free kicks like he did tonight & in previous games throughout his playing days in a red shirt.
btw stevie played in his proper posistion tonight(cheers roy) but yet again found himself chasing back gaps or posistions that the oppo players got into thanks to the likes of Lucas not being disciplined enough to know how to break up the play in the first place!- hence let stevie create chances for torres & ngog end of.
I agree with you regarding the assessment of the game mate, no one played well today, they were all not good enough! Lucas was terrible, so was Gerrard, Torres, Skrtel, Kyriagkos, Johnson, Konchesky, Ngog, Kuyt and Meireles.
We all want Lucas to play well, but lets not get carried away. I still think he is a good player to have, maybe an O'Shea or a Wes Brown in Manchester United, a player who is a good squad player and gives a 100%.
mkingdom wrote:Last night looks no better after a sleep....
I'm not having this about the squad not being good enough. Many seem to think we have a poor squad which means Roy isn't totally to blame. Sure, our squad could be better, but let's face it, when Roy got the job he must have thought he'd started playing Fantasy Football, with choices likes Gerrard, Carra, Torres, Kuyt, Maxi, Johnson, Agger and Cole.
Whatever you think of their current form, they are all seasoned international players, including world cup winners and runners up.
The bench last night was very strong.
Roy cannot claim the squad is the reason for our dreadful football.
What he can blame is the fact that last night he played a centre forward, who usually plays right wing, on the left wing, and a centre mid on the right wing, and left the usual left and right mids on the bench.
He can blame the fact that he has drained every ounce of confidence and passion from the squad, and that we don't seem to have a plan A never mind a plan B.
Few players (if any) can take any pride from last night, but once again Lucas is named as a culprit. For me he is one of the few that want to try, and don't go hiding when things aren't going well (Torres!).
So for last night, the starting 11 was a joke. He just wanted to include all the "big guns" regardless of where they then had to play in the formation. For someone with "35 years experience" this is just ridiculous.
For the season, he has had long enough now to prove that he is incapable of taking what is at least a top 6 squad, and deliver performances (Chelsea aside) anywhere near the level required.
Time for change. Change the manager now, then see what they do with the core of the sqaud to see if we need a mass clear out. I bet we don't.
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