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by **maguskwt** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:52 pm

Dazzer wrote:
Where's the proof of this?

Fact we lost 6/7 ? and shacking heads comming off.What proof have you got he hasn't ? I think the evidence is more stacked in favour of my arguement.

Also 2 players sent of means lack of discipline means lack of focus and lack of care which to me shows a lack of care for manager.

what sort of bull is this?

by **woof woof !** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:52 pm

side note.

Russian Doll posting.

It's bad enough have to read some of the sh'ite once only, having it posted 2,3,4,5, times is ott.

Lads try and reference yer posts to the last one or two quotes only.

Thanks.

by **Dazzer** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:52 pm

It was the workman who bought the tools.

Yep. 100% true mate spot on. :bowdown

by **roberto green** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:52 pm

You can see the papers tomorrow can't you

"Rafa's Halloween Party"

"How many skeletons left in Rafa's closet"

"Rafa's Duck Apple"

by **LFC2007** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:52 pm

I know some have said it was OK in the first half but from what I was seeing, it wasn't. I don't think it's necessary to analyse it with a fine-toothed comb. You can sense when it clicks because there's a discernible coordination in our play and that was missing in droves. OK, we had more possession and were more comfortable compared with the second, but how often could you note clever use of the ball or any sort of coherence befitting of a side with title aspirations? Not very often at all, IMO. I thought Torres' strike pulled us out of a very tricky situation. Yet, if we couldn't win, we sure as sh!t shouldn't have lost, but because we generally lacked coherence in our play we left ourselves exposed and Fulham took advantage, especially after Torres went off. He ought to have stayed on and since he appeared willing to continue I can't find any defence to that decision. Why Rafa couldn't have given him 15 min's longer (at least) I struggle to understand because at that stage in the game even if we weren't playing well, we weren't being overrun - we had decent territory and possession and in those conditions world class players will have chances to score. And, if we were to concede again, he was about our only realistic shot at getting back into it. More goals are scored late on anyway because teams generally can't sustain the tempo/mental focus of earlier periods, and play tends to open up.

Then by 2-1, and with the subs and sendings off that followed, it became embarrassing. I felt for Rafa on a personal level because regardless of the footballing side of things, being under that much pressure must be very tough to deal with. You could see the distress on his face toward the end.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:53 pm

The manager may not have lost the dressing room, but its f.ucking time he lost a few of the players out there today

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:54 pm

s@int wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:One question, were Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio and Ngog all crocked? It's all well and good saying we had key injuries--we did--but any of those lads would have been handy to have on the pitch or at least on the bench today. I just can't shake the sense that Rafa's pulled another Reading special and that it's blown up in our faces again...

We were a shambles today. Save for an opportunistic strike from the best striker in the world and an unlucky blast off the bar from Yossi we were poor going forward. The recipe for disaster was at the back, though. Thankfully, Fulham were so content to park the bus that they barely came out of their own half for most of the first half. When they started running at us in the second half, though, we looked an absolute mess. Very worrying times.

Begs the question would they have played if we didn't have a vital game against LYON coming up?

That's what I'm trying to work out. From where I sit, it looks as though Rafa decided to rest Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio and Ngog rather than bring them to London. I've read nothing that suggests any were injured so what other conclusion is there but that they were being held back for the CL? Since I think any or all of them could have been a very helpful option (I certainly would have had Agger, Aurelio and Ngog on the pitch at some point...perhaps from the start) I think Rafa's dropped a major boll.ock today. Some will say he had no choice because of the importance of the CL money but, feck me, the last thing we needed after that result against the Mancs was another nail in the coffin of our title challenge. Five losses from eleven in the league is diabolical form for any club with top half of the table aspirations, never mind challenging for the title.

by **Dazzer** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:55 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Where's the proof of this?

Fact we lost 6/7 ? and shacking heads comming off.What proof have you got he hasn't ? I think the evidence is more stacked in favour of my arguement.

Also 2 players sent of means lack of discipline means lack of focus and lack of care which to me shows a lack of care for manager.

what sort of bull is this?

Truth bull the stuff you seem to lack on consistent basis.

by **Bammo** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:57 pm

I know some of the players are supposed to have a virus. Were Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio and N'Gog affected?

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:57 pm

tonyeh wrote:
They also say a good work man never blames his tools ? End of day Rafa has alot of time and money to build a team that don't fall apart with 5-6 injurys ? and he hasn't the buck stops with him that is a FACT as he likes to put it.

Yeah, well today the workman can blame his tools...

It was the workman who bought the tools.[/quote]
If we could have a squad of fringe players as good as our first 11, well, we'd have to have had very deep pockets indeed.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:58 pm

Bammo wrote:I know some of the players are supposed to have a virus. Were Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio and N'Gog affected?

I know agger was, so it's a safe bet that the rest were.

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:58 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I know some have said it was OK in the first half but from what I was seeing, it wasn't. I don't think it's necessary to analyse it with a fine-toothed comb. You can sense when it clicks because there's a discernible coordination in our play and that was missing in droves. OK, we had more possession and were more comfortable compared with the second, but how often could you note clever use of the ball or any sort of coherence befitting of a side with title aspirations? Not very often at all, IMO. I thought Torres' strike pulled us out of a very tricky situation. Yet, if we couldn't win, we sure as sh!t shouldn't have lost, but because we generally lacked coherence in our play we left ourselves exposed and Fulham took advantage, especially after Torres went off. He ought to have stayed on and since he appeared willing to continue I can't find any defence to that decision. Why Rafa couldn't have given him 15 min's longer (at least) I struggle to understand because at that stage in the game even if we weren't playing well, we weren't being overrun - we had decent territory and possession and in those conditions world class players will have chances to score. And, if we were to concede again, he was about our only realistic shot at getting back into it. More goals are scored late on anyway because teams generally can't sustain the tempo/mental focus of earlier periods, and play tends to open up.

Then by 2-1, and with the subs and sendings off that followed, it became embarrassing. I felt for Rafa on a personal level because regardless of the footballing side of things, being under that much pressure must be very tough to deal with. You could see the distress on his face toward the end.

Good post. We were poor in the first half and Torres' strike from nothing rescued things a bit. I had hopes that we'd go in level at half time, get the tactics sorted out and get after them straight away in the 2nd half, which of course never happened.

by **Number 9** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:01 pm

Emerald Red wrote:I'll break up the pyramid of quotes there by saying that it still doesn't prove that he's losing the dressing room.

I agree I dont think he is loosing it...I think he has lost it.that was simply not acceptable ...talk about gutted,our win to mancs is cancelled out!

by **Dazzer** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:07 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:I'll break up the pyramid of quotes there by saying that it still doesn't prove that he's losing the dressing room.

I agree I dont think he is loosing it...I think he has lost it.that was simply not acceptable ...talk about gutted,our win to mancs is cancelled out!

Well I did say this game was fair more important I could see us winning vs the mancs but this game I knew in back of my mind best we could hope for was draw.We are playing no better then we have last 5 years just we bit more unlucky but that don't hide from fact as a club we have gone backwards.I think the team rafa got when he joined is better then the team we have now.Of course we have Torres now but he is hardly ever fit so.This is what angers me this is what makes me think get rid.Fact longer Rafa has messed with this club I feel worse off we have got.Of course owners haven't helped but on the pitch it does come down to the manager.I know getting rid of him won't be 100% fix we still need rid of owners and this is problem we all have atm.I guess question must be.

If we had better owners and little more money would you all say sack rafa then ? :glare:

by **roberto green** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:07 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Bammo wrote:I know some of the players are supposed to have a virus. Were Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio and N'Gog affected?

I know agger was, so it's a safe bet that the rest were.

I think Rafa has a virus too, It's messing with his head man!!!

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